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I know a ton of threads have been made on this, but how do you guys deal with mental illnesses? I have depression, and some days it feels like I can't even function. What is your take on them?
To anybody open minded and fairly sound in the mind i would strongly recommend you research psychedelics for treating and curing anxiety, depression and fear of anything really... I specifically refer to Mushrooms and DMT, though i lean strongly toward the safeness of mushrooms. They allow you to go to what i would characterize as an inbetween life and death state.. really puts everything into perspective and gives you this insane appreciation and comfortableness with the world around you. A close friend of mine says he is physically incapable of feeling anxiety/depression after a few DMT doses... My few experiences with mushrooms have completely revitalized and re invented my life, anxiety is barely even existent in my life.For me it feels like a slight elevation in consciousness.. at least thats how i'd describe it. If you are open minded enough to consider i would strongly recommend ample amounts of research before embarking, definitely not something to be taken lightly. Other than drugs i find being outside and expressing myself in some sort of creative way helps me.
_Ryan_To anybody open minded and fairly sound in the mind i would strongly recommend you research psychedelics for treating and curing anxiety, depression and fear of anything really... I specifically refer to Mushrooms and DMT, though i lean strongly toward the safeness of mushrooms. They allow you to go to what i would characterize as an inbetween life and death state.. really puts everything into perspective and gives you this insane appreciation and comfortableness with the world around you. A close friend of mine says he is physically incapable of feeling anxiety/depression after a few DMT doses... My few experiences with mushrooms have completely revitalized and re invented my life, anxiety is barely even existent in my life.For me it feels like a slight elevation in consciousness.. at least thats how i'd describe it. If you are open minded enough to consider i would strongly recommend ample amounts of research before embarking, definitely not something to be taken lightly. Other than drugs i find being outside and expressing myself in some sort of creative way helps me.
_Ryan_To anybody open minded and fairly sound in the mind i would strongly recommend you research psychedelics for treating and curing anxiety, depression and fear of anything really... I specifically refer to Mushrooms and DMT, though i lean strongly toward the safeness of mushrooms. They allow you to go to what i would characterize as an inbetween life and death state.. really puts everything into perspective and gives you this insane appreciation and comfortableness with the world around you. A close friend of mine says he is physically incapable of feeling anxiety/depression after a few DMT doses... My few experiences with mushrooms have completely revitalized and re invented my life, anxiety is barely even existent in my life.For me it feels like a slight elevation in consciousness.. at least thats how i'd describe it. If you are open minded enough to consider i would strongly recommend ample amounts of research before embarking, definitely not something to be taken lightly. Other than drugs i find being outside and expressing myself in some sort of creative way helps me.
doing hard drugs while depressed is one of the dumber things ive heard
SFBdoing hard drugs while depressed is one of the dumber things ive heard
Shrooms, acid, DMT are not hard drugs. They are pretty much harmless. And there has been actual research into the benefits of psychedelics for depression.
S.J.WShrooms, acid, DMT are not hard drugs. They are pretty much harmless. And there has been actual research into the benefits of psychedelics for depression.
If you're going to to look at the harmful effects of acid and DMT. No, they're not hard drugs at all. Cigarettes and beer are more harmful than acid and DMT. If you're going to look at the psychological effects like addiction than cigarettes and beer are still more harmful. DMT, acid, shrooms are pretty much harmless, unless you get a bad trip.
S.J.WIf you're going to to look at the harmful effects of acid and DMT. No, they're not hard drugs at all. Cigarettes and beer are more harmful than acid and DMT. If you're going to look at the psychological effects like addiction than cigarettes and beer are still more harmful. DMT, acid, shrooms are pretty much harmless, unless you get a bad trip.
IM sure some of those numbers come out like that because alcohol is used more than mushrooms by far.
While taking any drugs with unstable chemical activity in your brain can be really dangerous, there are studies on microdosing mushrooms to treat depression that seem to have some positive outcome. I'm not necessarily condoning anything until there are enough consistently positive results in enough studies, but I think it's something interesting to read about. Different things work for different people. Also just kind of putting that out there for those of you who are immediately shooting it down with no basic knowledge.
.lenconIM sure some of those numbers come out like that because alcohol is used more than mushrooms by far.
Number of users was not taken into account when the findings were published. And it doesn't really have an impact as the study found how harmful they were was based on 20 different factors. It wasn't like alcohol is the most dangerous because it has the most cases. It was on a drug by drug basis
S.J.WNumber of users was not taken into account when the findings were published. And it doesn't really have an impact as the study found how harmful they were was based on 20 different factors. It wasn't like alcohol is the most dangerous because it has the most cases. It was on a drug by drug basis
S.J.WIf you're going to to look at the harmful effects of acid and DMT. No, they're not hard drugs at all. Cigarettes and beer are more harmful than acid and DMT. If you're going to look at the psychological effects like addiction than cigarettes and beer are still more harmful. DMT, acid, shrooms are pretty much harmless, unless you get a bad trip.
Does that graph factor in percentage according to a number of people, or is it just overall? The data is useless if you don't account for availability and percentage of users.
chicknfriedsteakDoes that graph factor in percentage according to a number of people, or is it just overall? The data is useless if you don't account for availability and percentage of users.
"These findings lend support to previous work assessing drug harms, and show how the improved scoring and weighting approach of MCDA increases the differentiation between the most and least harmful drugs. However, the findings correlate poorly with present UK drug classification, which is not based simply on considerations of harm."
_Ryan_To anybody open minded and fairly sound in the mind i would strongly recommend you research psychedelics for treating and curing anxiety, depression and fear of anything really... I specifically refer to Mushrooms and DMT, though i lean strongly toward the safeness of mushrooms. They allow you to go to what i would characterize as an inbetween life and death state.. really puts everything into perspective and gives you this insane appreciation and comfortableness with the world around you. A close friend of mine says he is physically incapable of feeling anxiety/depression after a few DMT doses... My few experiences with mushrooms have completely revitalized and re invented my life, anxiety is barely even existent in my life.For me it feels like a slight elevation in consciousness.. at least thats how i'd describe it. If you are open minded enough to consider i would strongly recommend ample amounts of research before embarking, definitely not something to be taken lightly. Other than drugs i find being outside and expressing myself in some sort of creative way helps me.
Yes, there is evidence of certain situations where psychedelics have benefits, but thats in a controlled lab or with a doctor. Self medication with recreational drugs and metal illness can be extremely harmful. Unless you're a doctor or have a phd in the subject, you might want to tread lightly when passing on this information. I don't know yours or your friends' situation with anxiety, but others who have mental illness may be at a much more fragile state than yourself, and may not have the ability to limit or determine what is the appropriate dosage not to mention that there may be no consistency in the drug depending on the dealers sources.
S.J.WIf you're going to to look at the harmful effects of acid and DMT. No, they're not hard drugs at all. Cigarettes and beer are more harmful than acid and DMT. If you're going to look at the psychological effects like addiction than cigarettes and beer are still more harmful. DMT, acid, shrooms are pretty much harmless, unless you get a bad trip.
yeah pal? and what happens when a depressed person experiences a bad trip? Yeah a whole smorgasbord of problems. go home dude
Find a counselor with a doctorate in psychology, not just a therapist license and try to find some sort of physical activity you enjoy like skiing, indoor rock climbing, yoga, just pick something that forces you to get out and these two things might help a lot. You just have to remember you won't get better overnight, and if you start to turn to drugs that's a long hard road that I can't recommend.
Download-My-AppsYes, there is evidence of certain situations where psychedelics have benefits, but thats in a controlled lab or with a doctor. Self medication with recreational drugs and metal illness can be extremely harmful. Unless you're a doctor or have a phd in the subject, you might want to tread lightly when passing on this information.
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Lol'd at the mushrooms and DMT suggestions. OP please stay safe.
_Ryan_To anybody open minded and fairly sound in the mind i would strongly recommend you research psychedelics for treating and curing anxiety, depression and fear of anything really... I specifically refer to Mushrooms and DMT, though i lean strongly toward the safeness of mushrooms. They allow you to go to what i would characterize as an inbetween life and death state.. really puts everything into perspective and gives you this insane appreciation and comfortableness with the world around you. A close friend of mine says he is physically incapable of feeling anxiety/depression after a few DMT doses... My few experiences with mushrooms have completely revitalized and re invented my life, anxiety is barely even existent in my life.For me it feels like a slight elevation in consciousness.. at least thats how i'd describe it. If you are open minded enough to consider i would strongly recommend ample amounts of research before embarking, definitely not something to be taken lightly. Other than drugs i find being outside and expressing myself in some sort of creative way helps me.
I'm going to step in here, as someone who mocked and didnt understand what depression actually was. I ended up have quite a few hard ships which lead to me having it.
Now I ending up taking some my friend with a PHD made so I trusted it, but more importantly I took it with friends who know what they were doing because they have done it before.
Now that being said it was overall very positive experience, and even more importantly it showed me that my brain works by thinking in pathways, and that this bottom pathway in my head was a sad pathway, and when I would think using that everything would go dark, and then a top pathway in my head wold make everything light and happy.
However they definitely didn't cure anything it still took month of work and help from a lot of different things, but the stuff did help along that road. However, walking out into the woods and just taking that stuff by itself would have done nothing for me.
I'm 100% serious, anyone who denounces this immediately has done zero research, look up all the effects of long and short term use of depression and anxiety meds and get back to me.
SFBdoing hard drugs while depressed is one of the dumber things ive heard
Agreed that without somebody to guide you it would not be the safest option.. All i am saying is there is definitely truth behind it and it works wonders. I spent two years researching and getting comfortable with the idea before i decided to give them a try. Since then pretty much every person in my life has made a comment to me about how i seem so much more motivated and happy... which i am.
Download-My-AppsYes, there is evidence of certain situations where psychedelics have benefits, but thats in a controlled lab or with a doctor. Self medication with recreational drugs and metal illness can be extremely harmful. Unless you're a doctor or have a phd in the subject, you might want to tread lightly when passing on this information. I don't know yours or your friends' situation with anxiety, but others who have mental illness may be at a much more fragile state than yourself, and may not have the ability to limit or determine what is the appropriate dosage not to mention that there may be no consistency in the drug depending on the dealers sources.
There are countless cases of treatment with these substances, a majority not with a doctor doing lab research, but with a shaman who is educated first hand to help guide the experience. I did not mean to communicate the idea that this is right for everyone, i don't think that is true in the slightest... HOWEVER, i believe that everybody is able to achieve the level of understanding necessary to be able to safely use mushrooms. This is why i said that you should spend ample amounts of time researching before you dive in... I don't promote uneducated/irresponsible use of them but with the right knowledge many people would be able to handle it and come out with a brand new view on life :) I also say mushrooms over anything else because the market is mainly flooded with a couple strains that are for the most part consistent when it comes to potency. I think worst case you would be getting some shitty old bunk mushrooms... Again, this is all up to the user to research and understand it all. Im just not the type to promote pharmaceuticals and 2 years of therapy did zero for me... where as one 2 gram mushroom trip changed everything all at once. Got a job, quit smoking weed, enrolled in night school, started a business, connected with all my old friends who i became distant from.... all from one session.
Bonzalo^^^
Lol'd at the mushrooms and DMT suggestions. OP please stay safe.
I lol at the lack of research and experience... Agreed, OP I'm not telling you to do this I'm just putting the idea out there... Surprised by how quick people are to laugh at these ideas, thought of all communities this would be one willing to debate/ponder this idea.
I would suggest you research... its not nearly as regulated or consistent as a pharmaceutical or therapist. The real benefit is that when it works, it really fucking works. Depression is a self feeding beast so its easy to fall deeper and deeper. The mushrooms essentially give you this outside perspective on everything you have ever done/aspire to do. Depression is in huge part a perspective thing, mushrooms alter perspective. Go hit the googles and see what you find.
.MASSHOLE.Difference is these anti-depressants have years of medical studies and research behind them which in turn allows for a controlled dosage plan.
All of what you said is completely paralleled by mushrooms. Psychedelics have been used for thousands of years with the knowledge being passed down through generations. Even now you can see it is apparent that mushrooms are much less destructive than antidepressants or most pharmaceuticals for that matter. I won't deny that pharmaceuticals work but they aren't healthy by any means, very destructive with long term use.
_Ryan_All of what you said is completely paralleled by mushrooms. Psychedelics have been used for thousands of years with the knowledge being passed down through generations. Even now you can see it is apparent that mushrooms are much less destructive than antidepressants or most pharmaceuticals for that matter. I won't deny that pharmaceuticals work but they aren't healthy by any means, very destructive with long term use.
But can you accurately control the dosage of these psychedelics? Is every mushroom going to contain the same percentage of chemical? Knowledge is great, but exact science is better.
I have never taken any psychedelic before but here is another question for those who have. Can you perform to the same extent as anyone on anti depressants? Is it safe to operate machinery, drive a car, etc?
.MASSHOLE.Difference is these anti-depressants have years of medical studies and research behind them which in turn allows for a controlled dosage plan.
Yeah "research"... Remember when Dr Scott Reuben was found guilty of faking data for his studies. Pharm companies even paid Scott Reuben to keep quiet.
A 2008 study by Dr Irving Kirsch of Harvard medical school found that the most commonly used antidepressants are no more than a placebo.
S.J.WYeah "research"... Remember when Dr Scott Reuben was found guilty of faking data for his studies. Pharm companies even paid Scott Reuben to keep quiet.
A 2008 study by Dr Irving Kirsch of Harvard medical school found that the most commonly used antidepressants are no more than a placebo.
Do you also trust the research done by smoking companies which finds that smoking doesn't cause cancer???
Ah yes, Dr. Scott Reuben, let us take a singular doctor who faked his research and assume all the others do the same thing. Do yourself a favor, do not generalize an entire profession off of the mistakes of a few. You sound like those conservatives you so often decry.
Ironically that piece of research admits that SSRI's are effective but only in a subset of the patients it is prescribed to, those who are severely depressed.
But let us be clear here, the human brain is one of the most complicated aspects of the human body, so to assume that it is as effective as a placebo in everyone is about as right as saying a psychedelic is effective for everyone.
A major reason one should trust SSRI's/anti-depressants over psychedelics is the understanding of the dosage levels behind it.
Antidepressants are the biggest ponzi bullshit. It's no more than a placebo for the most part.
You never cease to amaze me, yes they're absolutely some cases were Doctor rewarded if they are are to give a specific brand of medication over another. But guess what the doctor I work with doesn't even allow pharmaceutical reps to come in anymore because it's unethical.
What you were trying to say is that every doctor who ever existed is scamming other people by prescribing this medication which is a placebo effect? You really think it was a scam more Doctors would come out and talk about it but for some reason they don't it's just people like you seem to think they are a scam.
I'm not even clicking on the link you posted you're wrong, taking antidepressants for depression helps.
Antidepressants are the biggest ponzi bullshit. It's no more than a placebo for the most part.
The anti-pharma hate is absurd. Yes, Big Pharma certainly has questionable morals but they are also the ones funding and assisting the entire biotech/pharma sector. They are the ones taking on the risk to search for cures or drugs that will improve the quality of life for patients with orphan diseases.
Do you really want tax payer dollars going into programs that search for cures for diseases which, when looking at the entire world, have some between 3000-5000 patients? I can tell you first hand the results for many of these cures is failure.
Yes, there needs to be stricter oversight in regards to some of their practices, but they are not the evil the media makes them out to be.
.MASSHOLE.Ah yes, Dr. Scott Reuben, let us take a singular doctor who faked his research and assume all the others do the same thing. Do yourself a favor, do not generalize an entire profession off of the mistakes of a few. You sound like those conservatives you so often decry.
Ironically that piece of research admits that SSRI's are effective but only in a subset of the patients it is prescribed to, those who are severely depressed.
But let us be clear here, the human brain is one of the most complicated aspects of the human body, so to assume that it is as effective as a placebo in everyone is about as right as saying a psychedelic is effective for everyone.
A major reason one should trust SSRI's/anti-depressants over psychedelics is the understanding of the dosage levels behind it.
Did you know that several top pharm companies are on the top of the of the Corporate criminal list. GlaxoSmithKline was fined 3 billion dollars for false research and midemeanors. Pharm companies also spent more money on marketing than they do on research. Just because they're in the business of making people better doesn't automatically make them saints. Just like politicians aren't saints, or anyone who holds a position of power. Anyways if you can't be bothered to read, then just lol at John Oliver.
nocturnalYou never cease to amaze me, yes they're absolutely some cases were Doctor rewarded if they are are to give a specific brand of medication over another. But guess what the doctor I work with doesn't even allow pharmaceutical reps to come in anymore because it's unethical.
What you were trying to say is that every doctor who ever existed is scamming other people by prescribing this medication which is a placebo effect? You really think it was a scam more Doctors would come out and talk about it but for some reason they don't it's just people like you seem to think they are a scam.
I'm not even clicking on the link you posted you're wrong, taking antidepressants for depression helps.
Way to put words in my mouth. I'm not saying every doctor is corrupt. Or every doctor is going to kill you or whatever the fuck you think I'm saying. All I'm saying is be careful of what your doctor says. Get multiple opinions on the issue. From 2014, the pharm industry spent 6.5 billion dollars on over 600,000 doctors. There's roughly only a million doctors in the US. So there's a pretty high chance that your doctor may have been given money by big pharm. Does that mean he/she is corrupt? Obviously not, but like I said. Getting multiple opinions is the best option before going on any drug.
And lol, As someone who prides himself on his opinions coming from research you sure are ignorant to research. And the study I did post did ruffle some feathers in the pharm industry.
Way to put words in my mouth. I'm not saying every doctor is corrupt. Or every doctor is going to kill you or whatever the fuck you think I'm saying. All I'm saying is be careful of what your doctor says. Get multiple opinions on the issue. From 2014, the pharm industry spent 6.5 billion dollars on over 600,000 doctors. There's roughly only a million doctors in the US. So there's a pretty high chance that your doctor may have been given money by big pharm. Does that mean he/she is corrupt? Obviously not, but like I said. Getting multiple opinions is the best option before going on any drug.
And lol, As someone who prides himself on his opinions coming from research you sure are ignorant to research. And the study I did post did ruffle some feathers in the pharm industry.
You said antidepressant are placebos, I guarantee you 95% of almost every single doc in the phyc feild prescribes at least one kind of antidepressant to his or her patient. So you're saying Doctors are duped and prescribing something that doesn't actually work. If you're that worried about your doctor being corrupt from pharmaceutical companies you can look at payments that have to be documented. my doctor took one launch in 2004 and that's it. To be cynical of every single doctor and physician and think they're out to make money off you or don't know what they're talking about is very dangerous thinking. You want a second opinion about vaccines?
That's the whole point of continuing education so Doctor can remain board certified it so they know they know they're update on what they're talking about.
So youre butthurt that you got banned. then call out the person that banned you but do it in a random thread that he hasnt even posted in..... lol fucking bitch
nocturnalYou said antidepressant are placebos, I guarantee you 95% of almost every single doc in the phyc feild prescribes at least one kind of antidepressant to his or her patient. So you're saying Doctors are duped and prescribing something that doesn't actually work. If you're that worried about your doctor being corrupt from pharmaceutical companies you can look at payments that have to be documented. my doctor took one launch in 2004 and that's it. To be cynical of every single doctor and physician and think they're out to make money off you or don't know what they're talking about is very dangerous thinking. You want a second opinion about vaccines?
That's the whole point of continuing education so Doctor can remain board certified it so they know they know they're update on what they're talking about.
Yes antidepressants are a placebo. And I showed you this research which you choose to ignore. And yes I am going to be cynical of every doctor I visit. Why? Because it's my fucking body which I'm putting drugs in. I'm not automatically going to trust the first doctor I visit which prescribes me a drug. I'm going to get multiple opinions. And once I have gained multiple opinions then I will make my informed choice on which drug I will choose.
S.J.WDid you know that several top pharm companies are on the top of the of the Corporate criminal list. GlaxoSmithKline was fined 3 billion dollars for false research and midemeanors. Pharm companies also spent more money on marketing than they do on research. Just because they're in the business of making people better doesn't automatically make them saints. Just like politicians aren't saints, or anyone who holds a position of power. Anyways if you can't be bothered to read, then just lol at John Oliver.
Way to put words in my mouth. I'm not saying every doctor is corrupt. Or every doctor is going to kill you or whatever the fuck you think I'm saying. All I'm saying is be careful of what your doctor says. Get multiple opinions on the issue. From 2014, the pharm industry spent 6.5 billion dollars on over 600,000 doctors. There's roughly only a million doctors in the US. So there's a pretty high chance that your doctor may have been given money by big pharm. Does that mean he/she is corrupt? Obviously not, but like I said. Getting multiple opinions is the best option before going on any drug.
And lol, As someone who prides himself on his opinions coming from research you sure are ignorant to research. And the study I did post did ruffle some feathers in the pharm industry.
You evidently have zero clue about how the pharma and biotech sectors work. Research is no longer done or pioneered by Big Pharma. Research is done almost primarily by hospital research labs or school research labs. These scientists then spin out into the public sector, hoping that their research will generate enough publicity in the public industry or the governmental funding sector that they can then obtain funding to turn their discovery into a marketable product.
However, like many small companies in other industries they face problems with economies of scale. First, they face the problem of being able to continue their research. Research is not cheap, nor is it quick. Small cap companies often have annual burn rates approaching $5m a year. Seeing as many clinical trials take upwards of 4 years, that alone is $20m. Secondly, they face problems surrounding production, marketing, and distributing.
So, like any smart business person they approach BP. BP can help them obtain the capital necessary to continue their research, increase production, increase marketing, and assist in distribution. While BP may not pioneer research, they certainly play a major role in providing the assistance to industry that is needed.
HamFaceGirl3.0So youre butthurt that you got banned. then call out the person that banned you but do it in a random thread that he hasnt even posted in..... lol fucking bitch
I already PM'd him. Looks like you're the bitch, bitch.
_Ryan_To anybody open minded and fairly sound in the mind i would strongly recommend you research psychedelics for treating and curing anxiety, depression and fear of anything really... I specifically refer to Mushrooms and DMT, though i lean strongly toward the safeness of mushrooms. They allow you to go to what i would characterize as an inbetween life and death state.. really puts everything into perspective and gives you this insane appreciation and comfortableness with the world around you. A close friend of mine says he is physically incapable of feeling anxiety/depression after a few DMT doses... My few experiences with mushrooms have completely revitalized and re invented my life, anxiety is barely even existent in my life.For me it feels like a slight elevation in consciousness.. at least thats how i'd describe it. If you are open minded enough to consider i would strongly recommend ample amounts of research before embarking, definitely not something to be taken lightly. Other than drugs i find being outside and expressing myself in some sort of creative way helps me.
There are much easier safer methods to attenuate and curb mental illness. Mental illness is a broad spectrum of disorders, diseases and neurological problems, so yes, psilocybin mushrooms or just plain psilocybin can engender a new and redefined you but the substance has to be used as a tool.
For any of you saying psilocybin does not work to cure mental disorders is willfully ignorant, however, there’s an even better chance that it can exasperate you mental illness or exasperate preexisting conditions. Psilocybin is a 5-HT2A receptor agonist, which stimulates the Gaq/B-Y subunits, hence, dissociation, which initiates downstream effector pathways. (Gaq-stimulates phopholipase (PIC) activity, therefore there’s a release of DAG and IP3, both of which stimulate Protein Kinase C and Ca2+ release.
Hence, neuronal excitation, behavioral effects, learning, anxiety and anti-inflammatory. So, yes, psilocybin can and will work for certain disorders but it has to be dosed accordingly with the right bodyweight/to dose ratio. The right dosage and activation of 5HT2a receptor in hypothalamus increases levels of oxytocin, the bonding chemical and prolactin.
Hence, psilocybin can be be used for obsessive compulsive disorder by micro-dosing, you never get high or see anything as well as cluster headaches. Psilocybin is a lifesaver for a lot of people worldwide. Look up JOHN HOPKINS psilocybin study.
DMT, could be considered a very hard drug and it can effect your brain in a negative way if not used properly, however, psilocybin is one of the safest drugs, safer than vitamin C. This is a fact.
