So These Fast Food Crusaders Might Actually Get Their $15 An Hour?

So wait, aren't half these people going to lose their jobs when mcdonalds or whoever doesn't want to pay their workers so much money? That would be suicide by social media for the company, I'm sure. But still, the money's got to come from somewhere and none of these companies want to just hand out more.

DingoSeanbecause we NEED low income earners to make things work.. and they need to be able to afford to live close enough to public transport that they rely on to get to those jobs that make everything work..

Guess the only thing I can say to this is they want the low income earners to be less low but who knows what that will do... Shits complicated, I'm gonna stick to my algae and cancer.

Granite_StateThen who would work at the McDonalds in the city?

Shit lol, that's a good point. Time to invest in robo servers.

/admits defeat.

SkiBum.Unfortunately he will not have the following to become president, but I would not say his chances are all that bad. He has a solid following and a lot of people like his stance, including myself.

The idea of a very successful business man in charge is a good thing. I think this should happen.

Yeah republican voters love him. He's killing that pole. But in the swing vote he has a very high disaporval rating. As well as the whole republican party thinks he's a twat.

Why not raise the buying power of the working class by addressing the other side of the balance sheet and enacting a sort of earned income tax credit? That way employers don't foot the bill, and the working class is funneled into higher tax brackets as they (ideally) increase their earnings over time.

On the other hand, what we have here is entitled wage workers who don't understand their value rallying against corporate vampires who are an embodiment of everything wrong with American capitalism. Perhaps they deserve each other?

a_pla5tic_bagGuess the only thing I can say to this is they want the low income earners to be less low but who knows what that will do... Shits complicated, I'm gonna stick to my algae and cancer.

The low income earners just want to make enough to live, simply put. Nobody who works 40 hours a week should be below the poverty line, man.

SkiBum.Unfortunately he will not have the following to become president, but I would not say his chances are all that bad. He has a solid following and a lot of people like his stance, including myself.

The idea of a very successful business man in charge is a good thing. I think this should happen.

Very good? Didnt a lot of his shit go under?

Huck_NorrisOh Rusty. So angry. So entitled. Wouldn't you just love to crush those stupid, lazy piece of shit low level workers into dirt just like they obviously deserve? You're so much better than they are, how dare they want a living wage! Lol

I think $15 may be a bit high but we have GOT to have the minimum wage indexed to inflation (and by comparison all other wages need to be higher) or we will just have more and more full time workers living below the poverty line. All that does is require the fucking govt to subsidize the remainder of that shit wage with things like Sec. 8, food stamps etc... If we simply make companies pay a living wage (which they CAN afford or they shouldn't be in business) our system can stop footing the rest of the bill plain and simple. Failing to do so creates a massive strain on the system that is NOT necessary in any way. Not one bit. Fucking Walmart made $127 BILLION in gross profits in 2014... You're fucking telling me they can't afford to pay a living wage?? Your arguments are based COMPLETELY in what you think they deserve, not any kind of fiscal reasoning behind it whatsoever- at least not in reality anyways.

The assumptions you've put out there are stereotypes and pretty fucking pathetic ones at that. Why don't you just talk about someone on food stamps buying lobster or rims or some other stupid shit while you're at it? Project a little harder why don't you?! You are the most well known druggie on this whole site and that's a fucking accomplishment- but don't act like you know what the fuck you're talking about when it comes to fiscal policy dude- no fucking way. If I want that good Molly, trust me- I'll call you. Pipe the fuck down until then bro. Know your fucking role.


See dude? Sucks when people assume shit about you that is fucked and callous doesn't it? You could be cast as an undeserving piece of shit just as easily as Mr. Drive-Thru, but that's not fucking cool and it isn't about what some rando thinks you deserve. Everybody deserves to be fairly compensated for a 40 hour work week and ESPECIALLY when you work for a tax-dodging international conglomerate that banks on slave labor and never ever plans on offering more than the bare minimum required by law and even profits by pigeonholing their workers in the subsidy cycle.

See the angle I'm coming from dude? Someone earning 7.50/hr only makes around $16k/year BEFORE TAXES. That's 'fuck you' money and it doesn't add up. At all. It's costing this country as a whole a shitload of money when yes- the companies paying min wage can ABSOLUTELY afford it. If you're going to try to debate that point you better bring some actual factual info to the table to back it up or your butthole gonna get aired the fuck out.

I love when people tell me I'm angry.

It's not like I work minimum wage jobs ever or anything. But yeah I'm just some rich kid on his high horse.

Oh here we go again, Mcdonalds and Walmart leading the discussion.

Why should these companies be singled out to subsidize their employees living situation. Now we're talking about, these people have money, therefore they should give it to those people. Mmmmkay.

3:Wow, you really reached for the stars in this paragraph. I'm just going to go ahead and ignore that.

4:Here we go again. Down with the evil corporations right?

5: calls me angry then drops legitimate anger bombs on the webs.

Not even going to bother to respond to most of this. As far as the minimum wage though. When you get your $15 across the board, what do you do in 15 20 years when that's not enough, with the same fight? Raise the minimum wage more? Because you sure haven't fixed anything. Inflation will keep going up and we'll ignore that, and we'll keep bitching about corporations murdering the country etc.

It's funny that someone who spends far too much time doing drugs to know anything about economics did pretty well because of a recession the "experts" were saying wouldn't happen.

Our economy is pretty beat, but this goes far beyond the general "errmahgerrd the corporations bro" that seems to be the most popular thing.

JudMaster415$ an hour is fucking ridiculous. High school drop outs would be making more then the people fighting for our countrys freedom.

Nobody is fighting for our freedom right now honestly but that's another shitstorm.

theabortionatorI love when people tell me I'm angry.

It's not like I work minimum wage jobs ever or anything. But yeah I'm just some rich kid on his high horse.

Oh here we go again, Mcdonalds and Walmart leading the discussion.

Why should these companies be singled out to subsidize their employees living situation. Now we're talking about, these people have money, therefore they should give it to those people. Mmmmkay.

3:Wow, you really reached for the stars in this paragraph. I'm just going to go ahead and ignore that.

4:Here we go again. Down with the evil corporations right?

5: calls me angry then drops legitimate anger bombs on the webs.

Not even going to bother to respond to most of this. As far as the minimum wage though. When you get your $15 across the board, what do you do in 15 20 years when that's not enough, with the same fight? Raise the minimum wage more? Because you sure haven't fixed anything. Inflation will keep going up and we'll ignore that, and we'll keep bitching about corporations murdering the country etc.

It's funny that someone who spends far too much time doing drugs to know anything about economics did pretty well because of a recession the "experts" were saying wouldn't happen.

Our economy is pretty beat, but this goes far beyond the general "errmahgerrd the corporations bro" that seems to be the most popular thing.

I don't actually think you're a piece of shit dude, I was showing you how it feels when people assume things about you and cast judgement- it's not about judging the people making the wage it's about correcting a stagnant wage workforce that has no recourse. Also wow- THE TITLE OF THE THREAD HAS FAST FOOD CRUSADERS IN IT- how can you complain when we talk about it??? I don't get it, seriously. How can you do that? You brought it up!!! Now we can't talk about it? Come on man.

Also it's not about "evil corporations" at all, it's about capitalism without ANY checks or balances. It's asking greed to say "when" and that will never happen. Corporations are very necessary but you have to understand they exist solely to profit and nothing else. That means we as a whole have to govern the basics or corporations like you have described will OF COURSE maximize their profits and bolster them by any means available. It's simple math, really.

I am not angry I just swear a lot. Get over it.

Your apparent jealousy to this "handout" ignores that it's playing into a bigger system. Of course out economy sucks- we hit a huge recession and everybody came out on the other side making less money, having less benefits and in a climate where everything cost more. We've got about 300 million people whose expendable income is dwindling and it's no wonder our consumer based economy is faltering. How can you possibly think that the minimum wage shouldn't at least be tied to inflation? I want to know what other options there are- aside from blaming inflation alone and acting like this will fix itself. Please. I'm listening.

Also I even said I think $15 is high- but keep in mind that someone who makes $12/hr brings home about $18k after taxes. That's about the bare minimum you can expect someone to live on and even that will be really tough to do.


The real question is what benefit to this system is to be had by keeping such a large portion of the workforce so far below the poverty line? I'd love to know. Every single city and district that has raised their minimum wage is flourishing and it's not a fluke. It's simple economics and you don't have to be a genius to figure it out or even just look at the mathematical evidence provided by those places who are living this conversation.

SkiBum.Unfortunately he will not have the following to become president, but I would not say his chances are all that bad. He has a solid following and a lot of people like his stance, including myself.

The idea of a very successful business man in charge is a good thing. I think this should happen.

Woah woah woah wait a second, very succesful? He's gone bankrupt how many times? 3?4?

LonelyWoah woah woah wait a second, very succesful? He's gone bankrupt how many times? 3?4?

The best part of that is he would be living under a bridge right now if it wasn't for the govt giving him a bailout and redefining his repayment terms- and now all of a sudden he's anti-govt. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Of course you are Trumpy lol... Of course you are.

The guy's ignorance and arrogance is staggering. I'm just happy he's in the race because he will draw the low brow bigot/idiot voter bigtime- and anybody with a halfway-functioning brain won't vote for him. He is basically poisoning the Republican well and I for one couldn't be more stoked that his fortune will mean he is in this to the very end. I mean, you've got to love a guy who only releases his "plan" in book form- so if you want to know what he's going to do all you've got to do is pay $14.95 or whatever... Bankrolling a book deal into a presidential race is just so hilariously Trump. I love him but in a hilarious and sad kind of way.

DingoSeanOf course, but New York, like California, as a whole, is still expensive outside of NYC, LA, and SF.

Bumfuck nowhere CA is expensive compared to a state thats almost entirely bumfuck nowhere. haha.

I moved from Buffalo, NY to Boulder, CO. This whole area is at least 2x as expensive as Buffalo. In Buffalo I paid $725/month total for a 1300 sq. ft 3 bedroom. Now in Boulder, my portion of the rent is $660 (Total Rent $1980/month). Granted, everyone knows the Boulder area is crazy expensive.


$1400 apartment in Buffalo: http://thebuffalolofts.com/the-foundry-lofts-former-fws-building-2/

$1500 apartment in Boulder: http://boulder.craigslist.org/apa/5131083244.html

DingoSeanThe low income earners just want to make enough to live, simply put. Nobody who works 40 hours a week should be below the poverty line, man.

They should be if they can't make themselves more valuable than the fucking poverty line.

Having trouble? Want a higher standard of living? Make yourself more valuable. I have minimal problems with fast food workers being below the poverty line. It beats voting them out if a job (raising the minimum wage).

If you have issues with them being in poverty (and there are issues outside of the 'it's so sad and not fair' liberal bullshit) there are other ways to address the issue. A higher minimum wage puts the whole cost of that policy change on the employers, the very people you are relying on for it to work. They will just say fuck it, and move the fuck on with alternatives and less employees.

the result, those unskilled or lazy people you were trying to help are now sidly below the poverty line with their new occupation of unemployment.

cobra_commanderThey should be if they can't make themselves more valuable than the fucking poverty line.

Having trouble? Want a higher standard of living? Make yourself more valuable. I have minimal problems with fast food workers being below the poverty line. It beats voting them out if a job (raising the minimum wage).

If you have issues with them being in poverty (and there are issues outside of the 'it's so sad and not fair' liberal bullshit) there are other ways to address the issue. A higher minimum wage puts the whole cost of that policy change on the employers, the very people you are relying on for it to work. They will just say fuck it, and move the fuck on with alternatives and less employees.

the result, those unskilled or lazy people you were trying to help are now sidly below the poverty line with their new occupation of unemployment.

This is a total cop out. Talk about not getting it because you don't want to, ugh. Who cares if *some* occupations go automated- honestly that's happening anyways in a lot of places. It still doesn't answer the question of "what do we have to gain as a whole society by keeping our consumers unable to consume without government subsidy when the companies that offer the majority of min wage positions are making plenty and can absolutely afford to pay more"

It doesn't make any sense at all and "I don't think they deserve it" is a total cop out. Just saying. You're a smart guy and I think you know better than that.

Mcdanks is installing kiosks in place of cashiers, and I can bet you every place is gonna have way less workers

Many businesses that pay minimum wage (or between minimum wage and the gimmies' $15/hr) are not actually large companies with 'plenary to go around.' tobs of them are small businesses that are at their limit with regards to payroll.

Honestly, if you can not make a case for why your employer should pay you more than $xx.xx an hour, you won't get more than $xx.xx an Hour. It should not be the governments responsibility to dicate how much value you need to bring to your employer.

Deserve is not a good word. Earn is better. If my employer is paying me $9/hr or $15/hr or $50/hr it is only because I am brining in over that amount in value to their company, and brining in more value than anyone else who would work for that pay.

This argument is not a 'cop out.' It is sinply the cold hard reality that people are not special, nor 'deserving' of anything simply for existing, or because someone else can 'afford' to give you more.

With regard to .gov subsidy, I think an earned income tax credit is a much better, and more efficient method to bump people out of poverty than a higher minimum wage. The intent of both is to raise people out of poverty (a worthwhile ambition, with lots of public benefits for everyone), however one of them places the burden of that all on low skill employers, the other distributes it across our economy.

cobra_commanderMany businesses that pay minimum wage (or between minimum wage and the gimmies' $15/hr) are not actually large companies with 'plenary to go around.' tobs of them are small businesses that are at their limit with regards to payroll.

Honestly, if you can not make a case for why your employer should pay you more than $xx.xx an hour, you won't get more than $xx.xx an Hour. It should not be the governments responsibility to dicate how much value you need to bring to your employer.

Deserve is not a good word. Earn is better. If my employer is paying me $9/hr or $15/hr or $50/hr it is only because I am brining in over that amount in value to their company, and brining in more value than anyone else who would work for that pay.

This argument is not a 'cop out.' It is sinply the cold hard reality that people are not special, nor 'deserving' of anything simply for existing, or because someone else can 'afford' to give you more.

With regard to .gov subsidy, I think an earned income tax credit is a much better, and more efficient method to bump people out of poverty than a higher minimum wage. The intent of both is to raise people out of poverty (a worthwhile ambition, with lots of public benefits for everyone), however one of them places the burden of that all on low skill employers, the other distributes it across our economy.

This type of discussion is far more productive. Thank you. I do think the EIC idea has a lot of merit, but I do think the minimum wage should be raised- not to $15 mind you, but it needs to have some tie to what a dollar is actually worth or we are cutting our own throats. I mean I hear what you're saying but it is literally the exact reason we have a minimum wage.

Also every plan I've seen has a stepped program that gets phased in over time and does not apply to a lot do smaller businesses. Besides, small businesses generally pay a higher wage simply because the higher someone's skill level the more productive they are- with a small workforce efficiency and effective employees are paramount. They know this. The shitty thing, however is that the taxation of small businesses makes it damn near impossible to keep a steady margin while attracting these skilled workers. Large corporations can afford to juggle profits and invest in offshore holdings to skew their rate while the small businesses can't. It's tipping the scales and small businesses are disappearing at an alarming rate. You're 100% right in that the taxation scale needs to be addressed, and I feel a progressive rate would be highly beneficial to those struggling at the bottom who can't afford to pay more while those at the top who can- should. Why the opposite is in full effect I have no idea but it's strangling the little guy's ability to be competitive and that is not good for any of us.

The whole argument that people who want to earn more than minimum wage need to bring more than the minimum skills ignores a point that a lot of people in our country are handed the shit end of the stick as soon as they come out of the womb. People who are born into poverty and had to barely scrape their way through public schooling sure as hell won't be going to college and don't have the same opportunities that those of us who came home from school to a hot meal and parents who had the time to help us with our homework because they weren't working double shifts at mcdonalds. It's hard to bring skills to the table when you were barely taught how to read as a kid.

Sure. I would be a little jealous of someone making more money to flip burgers than what I make after getting a college degree - but on the flip side if fast food corporations paid these people a livable wage they will have the time and money to invest in their families and give a leg up to a future generation who will have the opportunity to go to college and "bring more skills to the table"

just playing around with hucks ideas in my head and decided to see what type of stimulus package this would look like to the economy if $15 an hour was made the minimum wage.

so right now federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour. at $15/hour, they'd make $7.75 more than they currently do.

according to the bureau of labor statistics, there are about 1.5 million people in the US working fast food jobs at minimum wage or below. since the BLS also says about 65% are part time, i'll just throw in a conservative 25 hours a week for the average worker.

so, $7.75*25 hours a week*52 weeks in a year*1.5 million people gives us...

$15.1 billion/year

and i'm not saying if it's viable or not, but it's cool to entertain the thought. not a bad little stimulus package tbh, especially when it's paid for by corporations

cobra_commanderDeserve is not a good word. Earn is better. If my employer is paying me $9/hr or $15/hr or $50/hr it is only because I am brining in over that amount in value to their company, and brining in more value than anyone else who would work for that pay.

Do you honestly think that employers pay their employees based on what value they bring to the table? In a book that makes perfect sense, for the sake of argument I will grant that some honest businesses achieve this. But don't think for a second that the majority of business out there don't pay their employees based on the minimum of what they can get away with.

Of course all employees think they deserve to get paid more, sure. But, you would be lying to yourself if you thought that businesses aren't trying to make the most money they can. As such, they will reduce payroll expense as much as they can without losing their employees. That is the balance they are trying to make.

onenerdykidDo you honestly think that employers pay their employees based on what value they bring to the table? In a book that makes perfect sense, for the sake of argument I will grant that some honest businesses achieve this. But don't think for a second that the majority of business out there don't pay their employees based on the minimum of what they can get away with.

Of course all employees think they deserve to get paid more, sure. But, you would be lying to yourself if you thought that businesses aren't trying to make the most money they can. As such, they will reduce payroll expense as much as they can without losing their employees. That is the balance they are trying to make.

Also known as "what they're worth". If they were worth more, they'd be working somewhere else for more money.

theabortionatorhttp://www.wsj.com/articles/n-y-panel-is-set-to-propose-15-fast-food-wage-1437352435

So much hate. I love how there are people doing skilled labor making less than that.

Also I bet a bunch of the people campaigning because they can't live on minimum wage have iphones and data plans, and waste money on useless stuff. I can agree our economy is in the shitter, but come on.

If you don't think 8.75 is enough money, find another job or work your way up. People quit fast food jobs all the time. If you aren't useless and hang around for a while you'll move up. I'm not saying you're going straight to the top, but you can definitely work your way up. You might not get rich but you can make a little more $$$.

You are about to get a roundhouse kick to the face.
Minimum wage is $7.2

If you are working 40hr/week@$7.25, you make $290 each week or $15,080 annually BEFORE taxes.

Your tax rate is 15%, you pay $2,262 in income tax each year, you now have $12,818

Ill be generous and say your rent (not including utilities) is $700 per month even though the national average is $977. So at $700 per month for 12 months you are looking at $8,400 annually.

You now have $4,418

Lets say you only spend $200 a month on food, which is possible if you eat rice everday and never eat out.

You now have $2,018 or $168 a month in spare cash.

You may have noticed I left out travel expenses for getting to and from work.

Most places dont have adequate public transportation and even if they do it costs $$$

Spark notes: national minimum wage is a joke and hasnt accounted for inflation in like 20 years. Knowing this I have and will never work a minimum wage job. It absolutely does not promote growth or stimulate economy.

I will agree $15/hr is steep. With the proper discipline $9 or $10/hr can allow a person the ability to save for a down payment on a home or a used car.

nosnowsnakesSure. I would be a little jealous of someone making more money to flip burgers than what I make after getting a college degree - but on the flip side if fast food corporations paid these people a livable wage they will have the time and money to invest in their families and give a leg up to a future generation who will have the opportunity to go to college and "bring more skills to the table"

yeah, but your college degree would make a lot more in NYC than their flipping burgers for 15 an hour would get them..

again, pay is usually relative to location..

in SF, which is very similar to NYC, theyre upping the minwage to 15 soon all accross the board to mitigate the issue.

This is obvious.
Business will pay the minimum possible amount that people will work for so long as it meets two criteria:
1. That amount is still less then the amount of value the employee brings to the table.
2. The business has enough money to pay them.

this is no different then when people buy shit, except emotions never win over rationallity since its is an objective, impersonal decision.

so yes, you currently have a range of people making minimum wage. we will simplify the equation by assuming that the wage represents the entirety of the employer's cost with regard to the labor. We can assume, given the laws of nature that the value produced by the minimum wage workers can be represented by a bell curve, with the mean value somewhere greater than the minimum wage. If we hold this group of people as a constant. I am not about to create a graphics package for the sake of a newschoolers.com discussion, so imagine if you will a graph with value (in dollars, and linear scaled) on the x axis and people (in number, linear or exponential, it don't matter) on the y axis. since this chart will only be used to apply to the people working at the current minimum wage we can start the value scale at the minimum wage. The bell curve will start at the origin, peak at some average, and come back down somewhere of greater value. (One nerdy kid, and huck, spare me, I know you understand this concept, some others apparently do not). Now as the graph would indicate, the number of people who earn minimum wage and produce that same amount of value is zero. Now we decide to raise the minimum wage, come up with the arbitrary new minimum wage and draw a vertical line at that value. The area to the left of this, and under, represents the winners of our unemployment sweepstakes who are now out of a job. So, obviously only a partial amount of the people who currently work for minimum wage would loose their job, due to the direct value equation. Most likely most wouldbretain their job, unless the new minimum wage was so high that it pushed right of the peak. there would also be some effect, if less on the people who currently make more than minimum wage and less than the proposed minimum wage.

Moving on on to the second criteria. busineeses, even the 'evil corporations' do not have undefined and unlimited budgets. At the end of the day there is a set limit to how much they can spend on employees. This number is say Y. Their average employee gets paid X, the number of employees they are able to pay is Y/X. If you raise the miminnimum wage, it follows that X will likely increase. Y however is not going to just jump up as well. Thus Y/X, the people employeed gets smaller. We are already seeing this in Seattle, as companies prep for the incoming doom of the $15/hr job. The other thing we are seeing is a decision to move less skilled jobs out of the city.

The city of Seattle is about to see a massive rise in the average income of its residents. Unfortunately, this statistic will mask the reality of what is actually happening. The people whom this $15/hr minimum was designed to help are not seeing new jobs open up, and at worst leaving. There are very few new jobs opening that wouof employ many of these people. The companies are just deciding to open up elsewhere, or just not hire any mors people. On the flip side the people that are hiring pay $100,000 a year, and are bringing in more wealthy employees from outside the city. Their abundance pushes up the cost of living, most notably housing prices. the end result is that while yes, some people that were making $10-$12/hr will now be making $15, the cost of living has jumped up so much that their income goes significantly shorter than it did before.



And to Huck, requiring 'corporations' to pay more than small business is a healthy recipe for starving those small business of hardworking employees, placing them at an even bigger disadvantage and slimmer chance of success.

Most companies will just end up firing workers to make up for increased salaries. Bit of a shitty trade off imo, also $15 an hour is a shitton for flipping burgers.

DlCKYou are about to get a roundhouse kick to the face.
Minimum wage is $7.2

If you are working 40hr/week@$7.25, you make $290 each week or $15,080 annually BEFORE taxes.

Your tax rate is 15%, you pay $2,262 in income tax each year, you now have $12,818

Ill be generous and say your rent (not including utilities) is $700 per month even though the national average is $977. So at $700 per month for 12 months you are looking at $8,400 annually.

You now have $4,418

Lets say you only spend $200 a month on food, which is possible if you eat rice everday and never eat out.

You now have $2,018 or $168 a month in spare cash.

You may have noticed I left out travel expenses for getting to and from work.

Most places dont have adequate public transportation and even if they do it costs $$$

Spark notes: national minimum wage is a joke and hasnt accounted for inflation in like 20 years. Knowing this I have and will never work a minimum wage job. It absolutely does not promote growth or stimulate economy.

I will agree $15/hr is steep. With the proper discipline $9 or $10/hr can allow a person the ability to save for a down payment on a home or a used car.

Your logic falls short when you try and justify your rent off of averages, while basing your income off of the imposed minimum. people who make minimum wage tend to pay significantly less than average for rent. If a single adult with no dependents is making $7.25/ hr and paying $700/month in rent they need to reevaluate their choice in housing.

brotoespecially when it's paid for by corporations

This mentality is not only dangerous to the health of a free republic, but also helps reduce the strength of any argument you make.

nothing like reducing the amount of money those nasty corporations have to spend on skilled employees and innovation that might bring about positive changes in society.

cobra_commanderYour logic falls short when you try and justify your rent off of averages, while basing your income off of the imposed minimum. people who make minimum wage tend to pay significantly less than average for rent. If a single adult with no dependents is making $7.25/ hr and paying $700/month in rent they need to reevaluate their choice in housing.

Wtf are you talking about? I think you are arguing just to argue. The national average is $977 not $700 Even if they are paying $350 a month ,which is extremely low, the numbers dont add up, at all.

Good luck backing up your statement.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/states-where-minimum-wage-covers-the-rent/

HamFaceGirlMcdanks is installing kiosks in place of cashiers, and I can bet you every place is gonna have way less workers

A kiosk cant deliver food or cook it or buy it or stock it or organize it or throw it away when its bad. Its replacing one worker. Some high end restaurants have their cooks take the orders.

It may be a fast food place and flipping burgers may not take much intelligence but what % of Americans eat out every day? Id say the food industry workers are underappreciated quite a bit and they hold the majority of minimum wage jobs. Anyone who says flippin burgers is easy has never stood in front of a hot grill for 8-12 hrs a day 5-7 days a week.

DlCKWtf are you talking about? I think you are arguing just to argue. The national average is $977 not $700 Even if they are paying $350 a month ,which is extremely low, the numbers dont add up, at all.

Good luck backing up your statement.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/states-where-minimum-wage-covers-the-rent/

Yeah, I remember being in college trying to afford rent on a 375$ cheapest place in town kinda apartment where everything was falling apart and probably contained lead... and I was working 15-20 a week, and getting financial aid assistance... it was still extremely tough and I was making 8.5 per hour, not going out at night or on weekends (because I was not only too poor but too busy) and shopping at costco a few times a month using my roomie's costco card to buy in bulk.

I didn't even drive. It was still hard to make ends meet with all that involved and still pay for school/books/necessities.

DlCKA kiosk cant deliver food or cook it or buy it or stock it or organize it or throw it away when its bad. Its replacing one worker. Some high end restaurants have their cooks take the orders.

It may be a fast food place and flipping burgers may not take much intelligence but what % of Americans eat out every day? Id say the food industry workers are underappreciated quite a bit and they hold the majority of minimum wage jobs. Anyone who says flippin burgers is easy has never stood in front of a hot grill for 8-12 hrs a day 5-7 days a week.

Go to Japan and tell me a kiosk can't do all of that haha. McDonald's could easily automate their kitchen, it would just require a large initial investment.

californiagrownGo to Japan and tell me a kiosk can't do all of that haha. McDonald's could easily automate their kitchen, it would just require a large initial investment.

Lol true

I know things are somewhat different up here in Canada, but Alberta is in the process of implementing a $15 minimum wage. I believe it's a three year plan, so minimum wage will go up each year and will ultimately hit $15 in 2018 (I believe). Minimum wage here is $10.20, but only about 2% of the population actually gets paid that, with the provincial average (18-24) is $18/hr.

I suppose you guys can see how things go up here?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-s-15-minimum-wage-how-many-will-actually-get-a-raise-1.3086777

DlCKA kiosk cant deliver food or cook it or buy it or stock it or organize it or throw it away when its bad. Its replacing one worker. Some high end restaurants have their cooks take the orders.

It may be a fast food place and flipping burgers may not take much intelligence but what % of Americans eat out every day? Id say the food industry workers are underappreciated quite a bit and they hold the majority of minimum wage jobs. Anyone who says flippin burgers is easy has never stood in front of a hot grill for 8-12 hrs a day 5-7 days a week.

If fast food is too expensive, people are going to rely on premade food more often - such as 711 sandwiches or something..

DingoSeanIf fast food is too expensive, people are going to rely on premade food more often - such as 711 sandwiches or something..

Which will add to the amount of $$$ wasted treating preventable health related diseases.

HAS ANYONE SEEN THE NEW "LAST WEEK TONIGHT" ABOUT FOOD WASTE?

DlCKWhich will add to the amount of $$$ wasted treating preventable health related diseases.

HAS ANYONE SEEN THE NEW "LAST WEEK TONIGHT" ABOUT FOOD WASTE?

Yep. Grocery stores all over the place out here are starting to sell 'ugly' fruits and veggies for half off.. Raley's in particular is buying up an assload worth of it, so that's going to be cool.

All thanks to some plucky brit? possibly.

cobra_commanderThis mentality is not only dangerous to the health of a free republic, but also helps reduce the strength of any argument you make.

nothing like reducing the amount of money those nasty corporations have to spend on skilled employees and innovation that might bring about positive changes in society.

ah yes, maybe we'll get a fancy new burger on the menu!! or perhaps... waffles at kfc?!

they're fast food corporations. maybe i'm just horribly mistaken but what innovations or positive changes are they bringing to society? chicken fries?

and besides, i wasn't making any argument there, and i explicitly stated that. it was just cool to entertain the idea and see what the economic effect could look like

FiveThirtyEight did an analysis on the wage hike. Interesting to say the least.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/new-york-minimum-wage-fast-food-workers/

VinnieFIf you want to eat healthy and do it cheaply your only real option is to grow/raise your own.

This is all. Its just all there fucking is to it.

DlCKYou are about to get a roundhouse kick to the face.
Minimum wage is $7.2

You are a stupid fuck. You're going to call somebody out like that, and be so ridiculously wrong? I thought maybe I was wrong, I've lived in a few different states and then out of the country last summer. Thought maybe I had my facts mixed up. Nope. You're just an idiot. Not even going to read the rest of your post yet.


New York


$8.75


$9.00 eff. 12-31-15

http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wage-chart.aspx

Minimum Wage Increase

Beginning December 31, 2013, New York State’s minimum wage increased in a series of three annual changes as follows:

$8.00 on 12/31/13

$8.75 on 12/31/14

$9.00 on 12/31/15

http://www.labor.state.ny.us/workerprotection/laborstandards/workprot/minwage.shtm


One last time. You are a stupid fuck. Okay, I'll stop now because everyone makes mistakes. I'm not mad but if you're going to be a total dick, and blatantly wrong in a callout post, you're deserving at least a small fuck you.

Have a nice day :)

Huck_NorrisYour apparent jealousy to this "handout" ignores that it's playing into a bigger system. Of course out economy sucks- we hit a huge recession and everybody came out on the other side making less money, having less benefits and in a climate where everything cost more. We've got about 300 million people whose expendable income is dwindling and it's no wonder our consumer based economy is faltering. How can you possibly think that the minimum wage shouldn't at least be tied to inflation? I want to know what other options there are- aside from blaming inflation alone and acting like this will fix itself. Please. I'm listening.

I'm not jealous. I wasn't supporting the minimum wage going to $15 an hour in general.

And I never said this would fix itself, but like usual in America we don't solve the route of the problem. Our government is what's fucking us in this spot, not the corporations. But whatever.

To each his own I guess.

Let's raise the minimum to 15 an how. In 15-20 years we can raise it to 20, etc. And just keep repeating the same old.

And regardless I still don't agree with that hike from where were at now. And that's not because it isn't a long term solution, or really any solution at all. I just don't think it's what they deserve, or what our economy needs.

/im done fer now

New York raises the minimum wage for fast food workers to $15/hr

http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2015/07/new_york_raises_its_fast-food_wage_to_15_an_hour.html

Huck_NorrisAlso I even said I think $15 is high- but keep in mind that someone who makes $12/hr brings home about $18k after taxes. That's about the bare minimum you can expect someone to live on and even that will be really tough to do.


The real question is what benefit to this system is to be had by keeping such a large portion of the workforce so far below the poverty line? I'd love to know. Every single city and district that has raised their minimum wage is flourishing and it's not a fluke. It's simple economics and you don't have to be a genius to figure it out or even just look at the mathematical evidence provided by those places who are living this conversation.

Umm, you realise the "poverty line" is a buck sixty a day right? So noone in America getting payed legally that is employed should be below the poverty line. What is your evidence for raising the minimum wage being good? Please, go ahead and cite several examples that are not circumstantial, I would love to learn more.

why just fast food? I understand completely why we should pay them more, don't get me wrong. But it seems like almost every fucking job here pays like ass, unless you are born into wealth or something like that and have your golden road already paved for you that's littered with opportunities.

Id say Im all for fast food workers getting paid more, but what about everyone else forced to work shitty, underpaying jobs?

Vinnie brought up some interesting points. Most fast foods are primarly beef and and the less we go through the process of beef the better (I will still always eat beef tho). But honestly $15?? It's a skilless job for a reason, and I'm not putting down minimum wage workers but if you want/require a higher salary, then work for it. Not that hard to do.

DeebieSkeebieswhy just fast food? I understand completely why we should pay them more, don't get me wrong. But it seems like almost every fucking job here pays like ass, unless you are born into wealth or something like that and have your golden road already paved for you that's littered with opportunities.

Id say Im all for fast food workers getting paid more, but what about everyone else forced to work shitty, underpaying jobs?

Um, people that don't already have power have to organize to be able to leverage a decent wage. If people can get away with it they won't pay you anything.

MLJUmm, you realise the "poverty line" is a buck sixty a day right? So noone in America getting payed legally that is employed should be below the poverty line. What is your evidence for raising the minimum wage being good? Please, go ahead and cite several examples that are not circumstantial, I would love to learn more.

uh you do realize that the poverty line varies from place to place and is a completely arbitrary line?

OregonDeadUm, people that don't already have power have to organize to be able to leverage a decent wage. If people can get away with it they won't pay you anything.

obviously, but why is it just fast food workers? is the idea that if we are able to put one crack or dent in the wall that it will all come tumbling down? Regardless, I feel like this will also take a while before it actually happens, if basic human rights took this fucking long, then god knows what will happen with wages, you know?


I agree that employers can get away with murder if it was legal, and they already do. Soo many people out there biting the fucking bullet while executives cut corners and maximize their own paychecks. its all fucked up.