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This Bernie Sanders intraweb campaign is getting annoying
Any douche running for president that wants to "have the government, redistribute the wealth," or wants to "create jobs" by making a bigger government or a government with more entitlement programs, or any programs at all that uses tax payer money should just GTFO. See how valuable your degree is when it's free education, when the professors get paid jack shit, to teach a government mandated course, when the market is flooded with people with degrees and companies will hire whoever will do a job for the least amount of money.
TANSTAAFL people.
This country is in bad enough shape with all these college grads with degrees that can't find a job and have a ton of student debt. Having a degree, whether you have debt or not, will not guarantee you a good paying job. As a matter of fact, even if you get a "good" job, there will be so much competition with all these other people that have degrees as well that they can just hire someone that will do the job for less money.
Not to mention how much automation will takeover for all the minimum wage jobs. If you can operate a smart phone, you can operate a kiosk to take your food order. Hell, red box already proved that for movie renting, and it's not going to stop there.
Rightwing, leftwing, it doesn't matter. In the end, it really is only about that "have's and have not's." A government is funded by tax payers, the bigger it is, the more tax money it needs to survive. It's pretty simple. And if you make something free and/or easy to obtain, the value of it goes down. Supply and demand.
People need to stop relying on the government, period. They work for US, for our tax money.
You want to distribute some wealth to your pockets, then get off your lazy asses and do it, so many people just expect things given to them.
And why would anyone be against a flat tax anyway? Say it's 10%, a guy with 10 bucks puts a dollar in the pot, a guy with 10 billion puts in a billion dollars.
"But the guy with 10 billion is hurt less."
Why the fuck would you want to hurt the dude that just put in a billion dollars?? They earned it and found a way to be baller as fuck.
You can start everyone in the world off with $1000 bucks, some will save it, some will get together to invest it, some will piss it away partying and then try to borrow, etc. It's human nature to either get off your raft that's floating downstream to the sewage treatment plant, or tread water where you are, and occasionally get a break at the beach on shore, or swim like a madman for miles, but then be able to rest on the beach next to the waterfall. We all, generally, have a choice, just not everyone is shown how.
I'm just sick of all you fucking maggots thinking that people are just going to give you something and think that our government is here to take care of you lazy good for nothing assholes. WE EMPLOY THE GOVERNMENT, not the other way around. Stop sitting around waiting for the next POS in the White House. The opportunity for what you can do for yourself, FAR exceeds what the government can do for you.
ANY PRESIDENT THAT GETS ELECTED CAN FUCK OFF! THEY ALL WORK FOR US!
Squirrel_MurphyAny douche running for president that wants to "have the government, redistribute the wealth," or wants to "create jobs" by making a bigger government or a government with more entitlement programs, or any programs at all that uses tax payer money should just GTFO. See how valuable your degree is when it's free education, when the professors get paid jack shit, to teach a government mandated course, when the market is flooded with people with degrees and companies will hire whoever will do a job for the least amount of money.
TANSTAAFL people.
This country is in bad enough shape with all these college grads with degrees that can't find a job and have a ton of student debt. Having a degree, whether you have debt or not, will not guarantee you a good paying job. As a matter of fact, even if you get a "good" job, there will be so much competition with all these other people that have degrees as well that they can just hire someone that will do the job for less money.
Not to mention how much automation will takeover for all the minimum wage jobs. If you can operate a smart phone, you can operate a kiosk to take your food order. Hell, red box already proved that for movie renting, and it's not going to stop there.
Rightwing, leftwing, it doesn't matter. In the end, it really is only about that "have's and have not's." A government is funded by tax payers, the bigger it is, the more tax money it needs to survive. It's pretty simple. And if you make something free and/or easy to obtain, the value of it goes down. Supply and demand.
People need to stop relying on the government, period. They work for US, for our tax money.
You want to distribute some wealth to your pockets, then get off your lazy asses and do it, so many people just expect things given to them.
And why would anyone be against a flat tax anyway? Say it's 10%, a guy with 10 bucks puts a dollar in the pot, a guy with 10 billion puts in a billion dollars.
"But the guy with 10 billion is hurt less."
Why the fuck would you want to hurt the dude that just put in a billion dollars?? They earned it and found a way to be baller as fuck.
You can start everyone in the world off with $1000 bucks, some will save it, some will get together to invest it, some will piss it away partying and then try to borrow, etc. It's human nature to either get off your raft that's floating downstream to the sewage treatment plant, or tread water where you are, and occasionally get a break at the beach on shore, or swim like a madman for miles, but then be able to rest on the beach next to the waterfall. We all, generally, have a choice, just not everyone is shown how.
I'm just sick of all you fucking maggots thinking that people are just going to give you something and think that our government is here to take care of you lazy good for nothing assholes. WE EMPLOY THE GOVERNMENT, not the other way around. Stop sitting around waiting for the next POS in the White House. The opportunity for what you can do for yourself, FAR exceeds what the government can do for you.
ANY PRESIDENT THAT GETS ELECTED CAN FUCK OFF! THEY ALL WORK FOR US!
Squirrel_MurphyAny douche running for president that wants to "have the government, redistribute the wealth," or wants to "create jobs" by making a bigger government or a government with more entitlement programs, or any programs at all that uses tax payer money should just GTFO. See how valuable your degree is when it's free education, when the professors get paid jack shit, to teach a government mandated course, when the market is flooded with people with degrees and companies will hire whoever will do a job for the least amount of money.
TANSTAAFL people.
This country is in bad enough shape with all these college grads with degrees that can't find a job and have a ton of student debt. Having a degree, whether you have debt or not, will not guarantee you a good paying job. As a matter of fact, even if you get a "good" job, there will be so much competition with all these other people that have degrees as well that they can just hire someone that will do the job for less money.
Not to mention how much automation will takeover for all the minimum wage jobs. If you can operate a smart phone, you can operate a kiosk to take your food order. Hell, red box already proved that for movie renting, and it's not going to stop there.
Rightwing, leftwing, it doesn't matter. In the end, it really is only about that "have's and have not's." A government is funded by tax payers, the bigger it is, the more tax money it needs to survive. It's pretty simple. And if you make something free and/or easy to obtain, the value of it goes down. Supply and demand.
People need to stop relying on the government, period. They work for US, for our tax money.
You want to distribute some wealth to your pockets, then get off your lazy asses and do it, so many people just expect things given to them.
And why would anyone be against a flat tax anyway? Say it's 10%, a guy with 10 bucks puts a dollar in the pot, a guy with 10 billion puts in a billion dollars.
"But the guy with 10 billion is hurt less."
Why the fuck would you want to hurt the dude that just put in a billion dollars?? They earned it and found a way to be baller as fuck.
You can start everyone in the world off with $1000 bucks, some will save it, some will get together to invest it, some will piss it away partying and then try to borrow, etc. It's human nature to either get off your raft that's floating downstream to the sewage treatment plant, or tread water where you are, and occasionally get a break at the beach on shore, or swim like a madman for miles, but then be able to rest on the beach next to the waterfall. We all, generally, have a choice, just not everyone is shown how.
I'm just sick of all you fucking maggots thinking that people are just going to give you something and think that our government is here to take care of you lazy good for nothing assholes. WE EMPLOY THE GOVERNMENT, not the other way around. Stop sitting around waiting for the next POS in the White House. The opportunity for what you can do for yourself, FAR exceeds what the government can do for you.
ANY PRESIDENT THAT GETS ELECTED CAN FUCK OFF! THEY ALL WORK FOR US!
these so called "entitlement programs" you call them (assuming you're referring to social security, education, etc) actually benefit the users much more they hurt you. If you're on a 50k salary 5 dollars of your taxes go to social security for poor people. Around 4 grand goes to big bank bailouts and corporate welfare. Social security is instrumental in helping people get back on their feet. 84% of all food stamp recipients can't physically work. I.E children, old people.
Now onto college. The classic "your degree will be worthless because everyone else will get a degree". I don't know if you've read Bernie's plan for college education. But he's not just going to be Oprah giving away free shit like it's christmas. And if college is free the value of it will go down? The fuck? By 2025 two thirds of all jobs will require some form of higher education. And for every dollar the government spends on education it will see an average 6 dollar return in taxes.
Now onto flat tax rate. Any economist with two braincells to rub together knows a flat tax rate is stupid. It's widely agreed that a progressive tax rate is the best way to redistribute wealth amongst other things. Now you may disagree with that and say every man for himself. Now that's fine if you want all new created wealth to go the 1% like is currently happening. Like in 2015 where 80% of all new wealth created went to the 1%.Whilst everyone else got poorer. Trickle down economics does not work.
Last point. Government works for us? No shit. Bernie sanders is the only candidate that even gives two shits about you. The rest are pawns for their donors. You're not going to be working for the government if a socialist democrat gets elected. That's not true in any country with a socialist democrat as their head of state.
haz u ever thought about american citizenship?
at least then your mornic chunder from down under opinions would be worth the right to cast a vote and make them matter
im just annoyed by the whole passive-aggressive, "hey im going to share this post and hope some change occurs" fad that social medias become. we have the right to assemble and protest stuff but its just easier/less confrontational to do it from your macbooks while complaining about big corporations.
can I have another pumpkin spice latte as well, please?
S.J.Wthese so called "entitlement programs" you call them (assuming you're referring to social security, education, etc) actually benefit the users much more they hurt you. If you're on a 50k salary 5 dollars of your taxes go to social security for poor people. Around 4 grand goes to big bank bailouts and corporate welfare. Social security is instrumental in helping people get back on their feet. 84% of all food stamp recipients can't physically work. I.E children, old people.
Now onto college. The classic "your degree will be worthless because everyone else will get a degree". I don't know if you've read Bernie's plan for college education. But he's not just going to be Oprah giving away free shit like it's christmas. And if college is free the value of it will go down? The fuck? By 2025 two thirds of all jobs will require some form of higher education. And for every dollar the government spends on education it will see an average 6 dollar return in taxes.
Now onto flat tax rate. Any economist with two braincells to rub together knows a flat tax rate is stupid. It's widely agreed that a progressive tax rate is the best way to redistribute wealth amongst other things. Now you may disagree with that and say every man for himself. Now that's fine if you want all new created wealth to go the 1% like is currently happening. Like in 2015 where 80% of all new wealth created went to the 1%.Whilst everyone else got poorer. Trickle down economics does not work.
Last point. Government works for us? No shit. Bernie sanders is the only candidate that even gives two shits about you. The rest are pawns for their donors. You're not going to be working for the government if a socialist democrat gets elected. That's not true in any country with a socialist democrat as their head of state.
WTF do you know about Social Security??? Our government has been dipping into for years now, dwindling it, when they were never supposed to touch it form the very beginning. The problem is that people are relying on that as their soul source of income when they get old and as you get old your coverage is reduced. Oh yeah "Social Security will allllways be around," yeah our wonderful government will just continue to reduce the benefits and/or push the age higher and higher to receive said benefits.
WTF do you know about food stamps??? You don't live where I live where transients roam the streets like the walking dead, where property theft is on the rise by 300%, where people continually lie about their "so called disabilities" because they're too lazy, where women irresponsibly have multiple children, and make enough from food stamps and welfare to where they don't have to even work at all, not to mention state funded childcare. Yeah that system is truly meant for that mom, or dad, or someone that is currently on rough times in their life and I feel for them especially for women that are taken advantage of or simply left behind by POS men, BUT NOT TO CONSTANTLY LIVE OFF OF. The lady down the street from me, single mom, 2 jobs, just passed the fucking BAR exam, and didn't once stick her hand out for help from out government. The opportunity is there for those that are FIRST PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY CAPABLE and second FOR THOSE THAT GET OFF THEIR ASS AND SEE THE OPPORTUNITY AND ACTUALLY DO IT! A SOCIALIST SYSTEM CREATES THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!
My gf is an ER Nurse and over 80% of her patients are low life, society sucking, drug seeking maggots. THE HEALTHY WORKING TAX PAYER pays for that. Those pieces of shit will never have to sign up for the fucking worthless joke of a system called " Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act or socialist medical care " That shit is anything BUT affordable for hardworking healthy people and is now forcing US to enroll, or pay a fine, fucking bullshit! Socialism at its finest, fucking asshole Obama.
And our Federal mandated Common Core public education is a fucking joke, it pushes bright students down and makes simple solutions more difficult. I know because I have 6 close friends that are teachers and also my sister. Basic education SHOULD BE FREE but it should be up to teachers and administrators to what kids are taught, at the district level, or at least county level, or at the very least, the state level. NOT A SOCIALIST STYLE SAYING ONE SIZE FITS ALL!
You said by 2025 that 2/3 of all jobs will require higher education. YEAH 2/3 THIRDS OF JOBS THAT ARE ACTUALLY FUCKING AVAILABLE! Like I said there are tons and tons of grads that already have degress that can't find a job. And you said for every dollar government spends on education they will see 6 come back??? ARE YOU FUCKING MENTAL???!! THERE'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FEDERAL STUDENT LOAN DEBT THAT CAN'T BE RE PAID RIGHT NOW, BILLIONS! ONE SMALL PART OF WHAT I DO FOR MY JOB IS ASSIST PEOPLE WITH THEIR STUDENT LOAN REPAYMENT. Some actually get chunks or all of it forgiven, which I can't say I completely agree with, but it's available for those that truly need it. It just goes to show that the federal student loan program did not work, and will not work. FEDERAL STUDENTS LOANS DOES NOT GUARANTEE A DEGREE AND A DEGREE DEFINITELY DOES NOT GUARANTEE JOB CREATION OR JOBS AVAILABLE. It does however guarantee, debt, doubt, sadness, depression, for those that can't find a good job or any means to pay it back in less than 5,10,15, 20 or more years.
Flat tax is fair, your progressive tax theory is still based off of wealth distribution which AGAIN IS YOU BEING AN ENTITLEMENT SEEKING LAZY POS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE THAT WORKED FOR THEIR MONEY TO SIMPLY GIVE IT TO A LAZY ASS LIKE YOU.
Yeah trickle down might not get wealth to the bottom but merely because some people are smart and some are fucking stupid.
So enjoy sitting at the bottom waiting for the scraps of our fucking government, begging for a socialist to try to help your lazy stupid ass. I'm going to work my ass off and get as much as I can, because that's how the country was founded, and how it works. All forms of government suck, Capitalism just sucks the least, but it will always sucks for those that aren't willing to do something other than bitch and complain with their hand sticking out, waiting for someone else to fill it.
Squirrel_MurphyWTF do you know about Social Security??? Our government has been dipping into for years now, dwindling it, when they were never supposed to touch it form the very beginning. The problem is that people are relying on that as their soul source of income when they get old and as you get old your coverage is reduced. Oh yeah "Social Security will allllways be around," yeah our wonderful government will just continue to reduce the benefits and/or push the age higher and higher to receive said benefits.
WTF do you know about food stamps??? You don't live where I live where transients roam the streets like the walking dead, where property theft is on the rise by 300%, where people continually lie about their "so called disabilities" because they're too lazy, where women irresponsibly have multiple children, and make enough from food stamps and welfare to where they don't have to even work at all, not to mention state funded childcare. Yeah that system is truly meant for that mom, or dad, or someone that is currently on rough times in their life and I feel for them especially for women that are taken advantage of or simply left behind by POS men, BUT NOT TO CONSTANTLY LIVE OFF OF. The lady down the street from me, single mom, 2 jobs, just passed the fucking BAR exam, and didn't once stick her hand out for help from out government. The opportunity is there for those that are FIRST PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY CAPABLE and second FOR THOSE THAT GET OFF THEIR ASS AND SEE THE OPPORTUNITY AND ACTUALLY DO IT! A SOCIALIST SYSTEM CREATES THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!
My gf is an ER Nurse and over 80% of her patients are low life, society sucking, drug seeking maggots. THE HEALTHY WORKING TAX PAYER pays for that. Those pieces of shit will never have to sign up for the fucking worthless joke of a system called " Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act or socialist medical care " That shit is anything BUT affordable for hardworking healthy people and is now forcing US to enroll, or pay a fine, fucking bullshit! Socialism at its finest, fucking asshole Obama.
And our Federal mandated Common Core public education is a fucking joke, it pushes bright students down and makes simple solutions more difficult. I know because I have 6 close friends that are teachers and also my sister. Basic education SHOULD BE FREE but it should be up to teachers and administrators to what kids are taught, at the district level, or at least county level, or at the very least, the state level. NOT A SOCIALIST STYLE SAYING ONE SIZE FITS ALL!
You said by 2025 that 2/3 of all jobs will require higher education. YEAH 2/3 THIRDS OF JOBS THAT ARE ACTUALLY FUCKING AVAILABLE! Like I said there are tons and tons of grads that already have degress that can't find a job. And you said for every dollar government spends on education they will see 6 come back??? ARE YOU FUCKING MENTAL???!! THERE'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FEDERAL STUDENT LOAN DEBT THAT CAN'T BE RE PAID RIGHT NOW, BILLIONS! ONE SMALL PART OF WHAT I DO FOR MY JOB IS ASSIST PEOPLE WITH THEIR STUDENT LOAN REPAYMENT. Some actually get chunks or all of it forgiven, which I can't say I completely agree with, but it's available for those that truly need it. It just goes to show that the federal student loan program did not work, and will not work. FEDERAL STUDENTS LOANS DOES NOT GUARANTEE A DEGREE AND A DEGREE DEFINITELY DOES NOT GUARANTEE JOB CREATION OR JOBS AVAILABLE. It does however guarantee, debt, doubt, sadness, depression, for those that can't find a good job or any means to pay it back in less than 5,10,15, 20 or more years.
Flat tax is fair, your progressive tax theory is still based off of wealth distribution which AGAIN IS YOU BEING AN ENTITLEMENT SEEKING LAZY POS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE THAT WORKED FOR THEIR MONEY TO SIMPLY GIVE IT TO A LAZY ASS LIKE YOU.
Yeah trickle down might not get wealth to the bottom but merely because some people are smart and some are fucking stupid.
So enjoy sitting at the bottom waiting for the scraps of our fucking government, begging for a socialist to try to help your lazy stupid ass. I'm going to work my ass off and get as much as I can, because that's how the country was founded, and how it works. All forms of government suck, Capitalism just sucks the least, but it will always sucks for those that aren't willing to do something other than bitch and complain with their hand sticking out, waiting for someone else to fill it.
Okay let's address the elephant in the room. The welfare queen. Reagan has made this myth famous. But in reality the welfare is queen doesn't exist in the majority that the republican party would like to think she does. Are some people abusing welfare? Yes, obviously. But the majority of people on welfare are compliant citizens just trying to better themselves.
Bringing up healthcare. Any credibility you had was lost at "fucking asshole Obama". Nice bro, surprised you haven't linked a fox news article to back up your point. But then again, you seem to love anecdotal experiences over providing facts. Obamacare has already been discussed fully on this site and pretty much everywhere and the general consensus if you have an IQ over 40 is that it's a relatively good thing.
Now onto education. Look at countries that invest heavily into education (i.e socialist countries and countries with socialist traits) now look at America. Now compare the literacy rate among these countries. Now sit their in your wrongness and be wrong. Here is my source for my claim that for every dollar invested into education, the state will receive 6 dollars back. And one size fits all? Please tell me more about how education at a district level isn't one size fits all but a mandated course from a federal level is...
And flat tax rate is progressive? Yeah, it's so progressive... bruh. If a flat tax rate worked, then how come every country hasn't adopted one yet? Because they don't fucking work.
As for trickle down economics. That hasn't even worked for the middle class. It's worked for no one but the billion dollar corporations and CEO's.
And capitalism sucks the least? Everything you fear about socialism, working for meer wages with no voice in the system as a few old men with billions control the economy came true under capitalism. And yeah I'm so fucking lazy. I'm just on a skiing website because I don't work at all and sponge off the system... You do realise that in a socialist country people still have to work hard to get a better life. They still operate under capitalism, however everyone is guaranteed a standard level of education and life no matter how rich or poor your parents were. What socialism does do is limit the gap the rich and poor have in terms of who can better their lives. College is based on intelligence and not buying your way in. Among other things.
S.J.WNow onto education. Look at countries that invest heavily into education (i.e socialist countries and countries with socialist traits) now look at America. Now compare the literacy rate among these countries. Now sit their in your wrongness and be wrong. Here is my source for my claim that for every dollar invested into education, the state will receive 6 dollars back. And one size fits all? Please tell me more about how education at a district level isn't one size fits all but a mandated course from a federal level is...
And flat tax rate is progressive? Yeah, it's so progressive... bruh. If a flat tax rate worked, then how come every country hasn't adopted one yet? Because they don't fucking work.
As for trickle down economics. That hasn't even worked for the middle class. It's worked for no one but the billion dollar corporations and CEO's.
And capitalism sucks the least? Everything you fear about socialism, working for meer wages with no voice in the system as a few old men with billions control the economy came true under capitalism. And yeah I'm so fucking lazy. I'm just on a skiing website because I don't work at all and sponge off the system... You do realise that in a socialist country people still have to work hard to get a better life. They still operate under capitalism, however everyone is guaranteed a standard level of education and life no matter how rich or poor your parents were. What socialism does do is limit the gap the rich and poor have in terms of who can better their lives. College is based on intelligence and not buying your way in. Among other things.
Do you actually have any experience with common core? No you're Austrailian so don't try and stand up for something you don't really know anything about. Yeah you can read about it, but you don't have any first hand experience with it.
He never said flat tax was progressive, I don't know where you came up with that one. And flat tax is fair. I'm not going to argue if it's right or wrong or good for this country and bad for this country. Flat tax is fair.
And in America it's not full capitalism, there are government restrictions everywhere. College right now based on intelligence. Do you know where 9 out of 10 of the best colleges in the world are right now? You guessed it the good ole U.S. of A. Privatized college and businesses drive competition/innovation while a socialist government type system just puts everyone on the same level. Look at where the tops colleges are, and look at the innovation in the medical field in the U.S. compared to other more government involved countries.
And for the reason this thread was started. I too want to stab my eyes with a spork every time I see a new Bernie meme or a "#feelthebern".
The extremes are fucked, yet people try and lay out the most extreme version of the other side on their argument. If you think the government should cut or reform spending regarding welfare and other programs you support the wall street bailouts.
Besides. Obamer is a Democrat anyway.
If we weren't printing out obscene amounts of money, and doing other shady shit, maybe our economy wouldn't be so garbage and people would be doing better.
Anybody who says anything reasonable will never get elected anyway.
The economy is always "the biggest issue" in the debates yet it's always rehashing the same broken strategies.
Squirrel_MurphyAny douche running for president that wants to "have the government, redistribute the wealth," or wants to "create jobs" by making a bigger government or a government with more entitlement programs, or any programs at all that uses tax payer money should just GTFO.
Kooky_LukeyDo you actually have any experience with common core? No you're Austrailian so don't try and stand up for something you don't really know anything about. Yeah you can read about it, but you don't have any first hand experience with it.
He never said flat tax was progressive, I don't know where you came up with that one. And flat tax is fair. I'm not going to argue if it's right or wrong or good for this country and bad for this country. Flat tax is fair.
And in America it's not full capitalism, there are government restrictions everywhere. College right now based on intelligence. Do you know where 9 out of 10 of the best colleges in the world are right now? You guessed it the good ole U.S. of A. Privatized college and businesses drive competition/innovation while a socialist government type system just puts everyone on the same level. Look at where the tops colleges are, and look at the innovation in the medical field in the U.S. compared to other more government involved countries.
And for the reason this thread was started. I too want to stab my eyes with a spork every time I see a new Bernie meme or a "#feelthebern".
I'm not saying I'm an expert on the american education system. However from the sources I've posted is why you should support investing in education.
A progressive tax system is based on ability to pay principal. Up until the Reagan tax cuts, the rich were taxed at 70% and the country did much better back then.
Ivy league schools are not the same as state run colleges. You can't compare the two and claim your education system is the best because of them. Because it's really not.
