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The Whole Gun Debate Deal

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theabortionator
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So people post all these memes, articles, and whatever about how they need guns to protect themselves against the government and what not.

Saw one that said "I don't need a gun or want a gun, but I have a gun and if the government ever says I can't that's when I'll need a gun" or something like that. It's a nice sentiment, the old cowboy standing up to the evil lawman to take back the town kind of deal.

At the same time, when the fuck is anyone ever going stand up to the government with their guns? I'm not saying they should or shouldn't just that it's something I can't really see happening. At the same time they're bitching about how they need guns to protect their freedoms, they're voting/supporting the people who are oppressing them and stripping them of the freedoms that they supposedly need guns to protect.

If you can't even stand up to the government with a ballot, you sure as fuck aren't going to do anything constructive with your guns.

Just sayin


Sparknotes: guns are bad mmmkay
Jun 24 2015 3:53AM
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cobra_commander
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.frenchyif gay marriage is legal in all 50 states why isn't concealed carry??


CashmereCatThose are two completely different issues...

No, they are not. The SCOTUS recent ruling requires that states observe and respect marriage certificates from other states. It would also follow that they should have to honor other states CPL/CWP.

CashmereCatBecause one is a basic human rightttt?

Only one is protected under the COTUS.

CashmereCatWith proper background checks and everything I'm all for it, but I would be against random crazies carrying around concealed handgunssss


No one gives a fuck what you want. It is largely irrelevant.
Jun 27 2015 7:52PM
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SFB
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there is so much misinformation in this thread ahhhhh
Jun 27 2015 7:54PM
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CashmereCat
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cobra_commanderNo, they are not. The SCOTUS recent ruling requires that states observe and respect marriage certificates from other states. It would also follow that they should have to honor other states CPL/CWP.


Only one is protected under the COTUS.



No one gives a fuck what you want. It is largely irrelevant.

I'm not against concealed carry...
Jun 27 2015 8:18PM
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.frenchy
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CashmereCatI'm not against concealed carry...


Then don't respond to my post with a bullshit remark instead of answering my honest question?
Jun 27 2015 8:26PM
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S.J.W
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.frenchyThen don't respond to my post with a bullshit remark instead of answering my honest question?


Yeah I hate it when someone doesn't respond to my question.
Jun 27 2015 8:27PM
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CashmereCat
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.frenchyThen don't respond to my post with a bullshit remark instead of answering my honest question?


Is this better? Neither of them are directly in the constitution. Same sex marriage could be inferred from the 14th. In a perfect world concealed carry would be a great thing, but like many things it has its flaws. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but it needs to be very difficult to get a license. I'll admit to not knowing the process as I assume it differs state to state. Sorry for trying to have a conversation with the almighty Frenchy.
Jun 27 2015 8:33PM
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deleted5
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.frenchyi'm just wondering..... why can't gun laws be universal too, don't reply to me if you're not gonna have a response that's worth my time dipshitttt


Because every area is different, you can't have people walking around with machine guns in New York City. But out in bumble fuck go ahead.
Jun 27 2015 10:51PM
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Anathema
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SFB1 For example, compared to being accidentally killed by a firearm, you are:

Five times more likely to burn to death


wtf kind of comparison is this? are you pulling up joe gun lover's blog again and quoting is as fact?

come on dude
Jun 27 2015 11:57PM
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S.J.W
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SFBlol this is so untrue its funny accidental death from firearms is rare and really very rarely happens from those "fun and cool guns".
Myth: Accidental gun fatalities are a serious problem
Accidental Gun Deaths - How Gun Accidents Compare to Other Types of Accidental DeathsFact: Firearm misuse causes only a small number of accidental deaths in the U.S. 1 For example, compared to being accidentally killed by a firearm, you are:

Five times more likely to burn to death
Five times more likely to drown
17 times more likely to be poisoned
17 times more likely to fall to your death
And 68 times more likely to die in an automobile accident
Fact: In 2007, there were only 54 accidental gun deaths for children under age 13. About 12 times as many children died from drowning during the same period. 2

Fact: In 2007, there were 999 drowning victims and 137 firearm-related accidental deaths in age groups 1 through 19. This despite the fact that firearms outnumber pools by a factor of more than 30:1. Thus, the risk of drowning in a pool is nearly 100 times higher than dying from a firearm-related accident for everyone, and nearly 500 times for children ages 0-5. 3

Accidental Firearm Deaths - chart 2013 - declining trendFact: Medical mistakes kill 400,000 people per year – the equivalent of almost three fully loaded Boeing 747 jet crashes per day – or about 286 times the rate of all accidental firearm deaths. 4 This translates into 1 in 6 doctors causing an accidental death, and 1 in 56,666 gun owners doing the same.

Fact: Only 2% of gun deaths are from accidents, and some insurance investigations indicate that many of these may not be accidents after all. 5


God I hope you're one of those statistics next year.
Jun 28 2015 12:20AM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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Why do states differentiate between concealed carry and open carr?. If I'm going to kill a bunch of people, I probably don't care about having an illegal concealed carry on my rap sheet. Banning concealed carry seems like it does nothing but prevent law-abiding citizens from being armed. Either ban guns completely or don't limit concealed carry at all.
Jun 28 2015 12:31AM
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nocturnalNo you didn't miss read it that's the issue with you and every other gun enthusiast. When I say a very level-headed statements like hey we shouldn't give crazy people guns in a more detailed way you then immediately Group me as someone who thinks all people who own guns are horrible people and I think we should ban them all tomorrow. You guys can't think strait when it comes to this topic its pretty sad. I'll bump this thread after the next mass shooting you guys don't want to stop.


Don't be a dumbass. If that sorry sob wanted to lock the doors on that church and burn everyone inside alive, we wouldn't be banning fire. Crazy people lacking the value of life are the problem here.
Jun 28 2015 12:43AM
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deleted5
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CheeFDon't be a dumbass. If that sorry sob wanted to lock the doors on that church and burn everyone inside alive, we wouldn't be banning fire. Crazy people lacking the value of life are the problem here.

So we should just do nothing to try and stop the problem because there are other, more difficult ways to possibly accomplish the same goal? I know the problem is crazy people with guns. How many massacres has Australia had since they've made stricter gun laws?
Jun 28 2015 12:59AM
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nocturnalSo we should just do nothing to try and stop the problem because there are other, more difficult ways to possibly accomplish the same goal? I know the problem is crazy people with guns. How many massacres has Australia had since they've made stricter gun laws?


We are talking about the USA here, one of the most free of the world in respects to firearm ownerships. As for overseas, sure they have stricter gun laws correlating to fewer firearm incidents, however as the case with the uk being higher violent crimes/ murders with knives. Most everything can be used as a weapon, again it is the intent of the perpetrator that is the soul issue. It should not be mandated to jump through hoops to get firearms, states should handle there own. Even then, you can get unregistered firearms, or middle manned supply.
Jun 28 2015 1:10AM
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deleted5
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CheeFWe are talking about the USA here, one of the most free of the world in respects to firearm ownerships. As for overseas, sure they have stricter gun laws correlating to fewer firearm incidents, however as the case with the uk being higher violent crimes/ murders with knives. Most everything can be used as a weapon, again it is the intent of the perpetrator that is the soul issue. It should not be mandated to jump through hoops to get firearms, states should handle there own. Even then, you can get unregistered firearms, or middle manned supply.


Let me educate you Australia used to be exactly like the United States when it came to guns then they had the biggest massacre of all time called Port Arthur and then the government going against their own party made guns a bit stricter to get and since those have been put into place they have had zero massacres that was 14 years ago. They did not ban guns they just made them more regulated so crazy people couldn't get ahold of them a lot of people in Australia that were first against this then stated that it was actually very reasonable and wasn't that bad
Jun 28 2015 1:16AM
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CheeFWe are talking about the USA here, one of the most free of the world in respects to firearm ownerships. As for overseas, sure they have stricter gun laws correlating to fewer firearm incidents, however as the case with the uk being higher violent crimes/ murders with knives. Most everything can be used as a weapon, again it is the intent of the perpetrator that is the soul issue. It should not be mandated to jump through hoops to get firearms, states should handle there own. Even then, you can get unregistered firearms, or middle manned supply.


Let me educate you Australia used to be exactly like the United States when it came to guns then they had the biggest massacre of all time called Port Arthur and then the government going against their own party made guns a bit stricter to get and since those have been put into place they have had zero massacres that was 14 years ago. They did not ban guns they just made them more regulated so crazy people couldn't get ahold of them a lot of people in Australia that were first against this then stated that it was actually very reasonable and wasn't that bad
Jun 28 2015 1:16AM
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CheeFWe are talking about the USA here, one of the most free of the world in respects to firearm ownerships.


It may not be that bad, but we would have to compromise our rights as Americans. That's life, sometimes shitty things happen. We cope and move on. Essentially this issue of regulating a tool creates a void in power from the individual being able to defend them self and family. Good for Australia if it works for them, the US has a problem seeing eye to eye with the international community on the topic of firearms. That's why we have the 2nd amendment and it will not be infringed upon. Regulated firearms are a touchy subject because it is a boundary for some. What would the next regulation be... caliber restrictions, gun powder limitations, quantity of avaiable ammunition/reloading supply?
Don't intend to rant, this topic has taken a lot of scrutiny lately and it rubs me the wrong way.
Jun 28 2015 1:39AM
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deleted5
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CheeFIt may not be that bad, but we would have to compromise our rights as Americans. That's life, sometimes shitty things happen. We cope and move on. Essentially this issue of regulating a tool creates a void in power from the individual being able to defend them self and family. Good for Australia if it works for them, the US has a problem seeing eye to eye with the international community on the topic of firearms. That's why we have the 2nd amendment and it will not be infringed upon. Regulated firearms are a touchy subject because it is a boundary for some. What would the next regulation be... caliber restrictions, gun powder limitations, quantity of avaiable ammunition/reloading supply?
Don't intend to rant, this topic has taken a lot of scrutiny lately and it rubs me the wrong way.


But you're wrong just look at the statistics of how many people died in gun deaths a year in America compared to all the other countries. Also the 2nd amendment is an amendment and it can easily be changed thats why its called an amendment. So other than a ton of fallacies and a piece of paper do you have a valid reason that we should give anybody a gun without a background check?
Jun 28 2015 10:45AM
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.Hugo.
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nocturnalBut you're wrong just look at the statistics of how many people died in gun deaths a year in America compared to all the other countries. Also the 2nd amendment is an amendment and it can easily be changed thats why its called an amendment. So other than a ton of fallacies and a piece of paper do you have a valid reason that we should give anybody a gun without a background check?


they already do background checks
Jun 28 2015 11:01AM
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SFB
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S.J.WGod I hope you're one of those statistics next year.

lmao so you wish i would die because you dont agree with me, classy dude you are one kind and caring guy.
Jun 28 2015 11:10AM
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SFB
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Anathemawtf kind of comparison is this? are you pulling up joe gun lover's blog again and quoting is as fact?

come on dude

just trying to put it in perspective, maybe burning to death wasnt a great comparison but did you read the whole post? the point is accidental firearm deaths are very rare.
Jun 28 2015 11:14AM
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Koochiemaine
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SFBjust trying to put it in perspective, maybe burning to death wasnt a great comparison but did you read the whole post? the point is accidental firearm deaths are very rare.


Do you realize how terribly that point supports your argument? If 0.5% (number you provided) of gun related deaths are accidental, you're telling me that 99.5% of gun related deaths are pre-planned school shootings/massacres/gang violence. That doesn't seem like a problem to you?
Jun 28 2015 11:59AM
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.Hugo.they already do background checks


Read the first page private sales no they do not.
Jun 28 2015 12:55PM
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.Hugo.
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nocturnalRead the first page private sales no they do not.


how would they ever be able to enforce background checks on private sales? that would be impossible and pointless to implement
Jun 28 2015 1:10PM
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nocturnalBut you're wrong just look at the statistics of how many people died in gun deaths a year in America compared to all the other countries.


We are comparing deaths contributed to apples vs oranges at this point. Yeah, they don't have guns so fatalities are attributed to being beat to death with blunt objects, stabbed, slashed or whatever else can be lethal.
Jun 28 2015 1:11PM
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S.J.W
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CheeFWe are comparing deaths contributed to apples vs oranges at this point. Yeah, they don't have guns so fatalities are attributed to being beat to death with blunt objects, stabbed, slashed or whatever else can be lethal.


Okay let's compare intentional homicides per 100,00 people.

Australia-1
Belgium-2
Canada-2
Denmark-1
Finland-2
France-1
Germany-1
Italy-1
Japan-0
America-5

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5
Jun 28 2015 1:21PM
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S.J.WOkay let's compare intentional homicides per 100,00 people.

Australia-1
Belgium-2
Canada-2
Denmark-1
Finland-2
France-1
Germany-1
Italy-1
Japan-0
America-5

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5



I see the point your trying to make, however America is a high violence outlier with potential influence from surrounding areas. Take away guns and it would probably rank 4. From the source you provided, lets look at surrounding areas. Mexico 22, Jamaica 39, Dominican Republic 22, etc. There is a lot of violent industry which exports to the USA, conflict arises where there is high profit on illegal markets (i.e cocaine). Homicides and oraganized crime escalate the rate. Disputes involving the run of the mill jim and john getting into it and john getting blasted are low.
Jun 28 2015 1:37PM
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S.J.W
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CheeFI see the point your trying to make, however America is a high violence outlier with potential influence from surrounding areas. Take away guns and it would probably rank 4. From the source you provided, lets look at surrounding areas. Mexico 22, Jamaica 39, Dominican Republic 22, etc. There is a lot of violent industry which exports to the USA, conflict arises where there is high profit on illegal markets (i.e cocaine). Homicides and oraganized crime escalate the rate. Disputes involving the run of the mill jim and john getting into it and john getting blasted are low.


Actually 53.8% of all murders in the US are done by someone they know. Wouldn't really classify that as low.
Jun 28 2015 2:03PM
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S.J.W
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S.J.WActually 53.8% of all murders in the US are done by someone they know. Wouldn't really classify that as low.


https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/homicide.html

Since backing up your argument with verified sources, is very important.
Jun 28 2015 2:04PM
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.frenchy
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S.J.WOkay let's compare intentional homicides per 100,00 people.

Australia-1
Belgium-2
Canada-2
Denmark-1
Finland-2
France-1
Germany-1
Italy-1
Japan-0
America-5


We have more Mexicans, Asians, and African Americans.


A lot more gang violence. What a fucking moron you really are.

I've never even heard of you until you started posting your Canadian liberal garbage on here...
Jun 28 2015 2:21PM
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S.J.W
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.frenchyWe have more Mexicans, Asians, and African Americans.


A lot more gang violence. What a fucking moron you really are.

I've never even heard of you until you started posting your Canadian liberal garbage on here...


So you're saying that Mexicans, Asians and African Americans are more inclined to murder someone? hahah you're a fucking joke. You want to blame gangs for your high murder rate, high crime rate, etc, etc but you don't want to do anything to stop them. You don't want to stop police brutality, you don't want to hep the lowest class. You just want to live in your little bubble of ignorance and anyone who is below you is some less of a human.
Jun 28 2015 2:31PM
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.frenchy
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S.J.WSo you're saying that Mexicans, Asians and African Americans are more inclined to murder someone? hahah you're a fucking joke. You want to blame gangs for your high murder rate, high crime rate, etc, etc but you don't want to do anything to stop them. You don't want to stop police brutality, you don't want to hep the lowest class. You just want to live in your little bubble of ignorance and anyone who is below you is some less of a human.


Yes, minorities are a lot more prevalent in gang violence, and in gang violence there are homicides... If you didn't know there are gangs over-running most cities in the USA. It's fucking sad. another reason why cities blow

derp?
Jun 28 2015 2:34PM
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S.J.W
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.frenchyYes, minorities are a lot more prevalent in gang violence, and in gang violence there are homicides... If you didn't know there are gangs over-running most cities in the USA. It's fucking sad. another reason why cities blow

derp?


And what is causing this gang violence? It is someone being born black and they instantly start doing crime because being black causes you to be more likely be involved in gang violence? Or is it the low socio economic disparity between classes that causes gang violence? The poor education that they receive and the lack of any support?
Jun 28 2015 2:39PM
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corona
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S.J.WOkay let's compare intentional homicides per 100,00 people.

Australia-1
Belgium-2
Canada-2
Denmark-1
Finland-2
France-1
Germany-1
Italy-1
Japan-0
America-5

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5


if you think this is a direct result of gun ownership then you're way off your rocker.
Jun 28 2015 2:42PM
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.frenchy
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S.J.WAnd what is causing this gang violence? It is someone being born black and they instantly start doing crime because being black causes you to be more likely be involved in gang violence? Or is it the low socio economic disparity between classes that causes gang violence? The poor education that they receive and the lack of any support?


Shut the fuck up I didn't say anything about them being born black making them a bad person. Don't try and put words into my mouth haha
Jun 28 2015 2:45PM
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corona
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.frenchyWe have more Mexicans, Asians, and African Americans.


A lot more gang violence. What a fucking moron you really are.

I've never even heard of you until you started posting your Canadian liberal garbage on here...


if you think this is simply because of immigrants then you're also way off your rocker.
Jun 28 2015 2:46PM
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S.J.W
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VinnieFif you think this is a direct result of gun ownership then you're way off your rocker.


No I was rebutting Cheef because he implied that murder rates would be the same in other countries because of force objects and such.
Jun 28 2015 2:48PM
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.frenchy
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VinnieFif you think this is simply because of immigrants then you're also way off your rocker.


Immigrants? No... I'm saying this is because of gang violence, which the cities in America have a lot of. cmon m8
Jun 28 2015 2:49PM
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.CJ.
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S.J.WAnd what is causing this gang violence? It is someone being born black and they instantly start doing crime because being black causes you to be more likely be involved in gang violence? Or is it the low socio economic disparity between classes that causes gang violence? The poor education that they receive and the lack of any support?


It's because we spend too much fucking money on military trying to control the middle east and not enough money on education and trying to create jobs.
Jun 28 2015 2:53PM
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VinnieFif you think this is a direct result of gun ownership then you're way off your rocker.
Finally someone that doesn't live in fantasy land.
Jun 28 2015 2:55PM
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onenerdykidThis should be good.https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/773698/Jim-Jefferies---US-Gun-Control---Live-Stand-Up-Comedy---Best-comedian-ever-2015


I'll post this:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/daniel-zimmerman/bad-arguments-for-gun-control-a-response-to-australian-comedian-jim-jefferies/

For me it's a personal choice thing. I don't try to tell you who to marry (I support gay marriage...it's not for me but who am I to tell you what you want), whether to have that kid or not (also pro choice), or a number of overly intrusive opinions and gov't policies. Same thing goes for guns. Who are you to tell me whether I can or cannot have a firearm to protect myself? Criminals possess guns regardless of laws in place, so those laws just disarm the law-abiding citizens who are meant to be protected. Why do so many highly publicized shootings happen in so-called 'gun-free zones' and why can't people see a correlation? More 'gun-free zones' and gun control laws do not equal a safer society.

My rant is over. People can believe what they want to believe, just please don't try to infringe on the ability to protect myself.
Jun 28 2015 10:36PM
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ESB
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.frenchyWe have more Mexicans, Asians, and African Americans.


A lot more gang violence. What a fucking moron you really are.

I've never even heard of you until you started posting your Canadian liberal garbage on here...


Wow. Frenchy's calling people morons, and he thinks that the United States has more Asians than Japan does.
Jun 29 2015 4:48AM
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corona
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Dirty.Harry.I'll post this:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/daniel-zimmerman/bad-arguments-for-gun-control-a-response-to-australian-comedian-jim-jefferies/

For me it's a personal choice thing. I don't try to tell you who to marry (I support gay marriage...it's not for me but who am I to tell you what you want), whether to have that kid or not (also pro choice), or a number of overly intrusive opinions and gov't policies. Same thing goes for guns. Who are you to tell me whether I can or cannot have a firearm to protect myself? Criminals possess guns regardless of laws in place, so those laws just disarm the law-abiding citizens who are meant to be protected. Why do so many highly publicized shootings happen in so-called 'gun-free zones' and why can't people see a correlation? More 'gun-free zones' and gun control laws do not equal a safer society.

My rant is over. People can believe what they want to believe, just please don't try to infringe on the ability to protect myself.


that guys arguments were being nitpicky about small details that didn't really matter. A couple made good points, but the majority didn't do squat.
Jun 29 2015 9:34AM
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theabortionator
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SFBthere is so much misinformation in this thread ahhhhh


I know, isn't it glorious?
Jun 29 2015 6:05PM
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SFB
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theabortionatorI know, isn't it glorious?

yeah nsg truly is a great source of knowledge and intelligent banter
Jun 29 2015 7:45PM
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S.J.W
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Dirty.Harry.I'll post this:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/daniel-zimmerman/bad-arguments-for-gun-control-a-response-to-australian-comedian-jim-jefferies/


I've always wondered what a gun nut would respond to that video. The response made me laugh pretty every sentence.
Jun 29 2015 7:58PM
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JAHpow
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nocturnalRead the first page private sales no they do not.


Read the first page private sales yes they do in some states.
Jun 29 2015 8:15PM
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theabortionator
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SFByeah nsg truly is a great source of knowledge and intelligent banter


Yeah I was busy when I made the thread so didn't really read any of it but I feel like I've missed out. Might skim through some.
Jun 29 2015 9:36PM
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Lonely
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If you do everything right with guns that's great.

If not, not great.

In quite a few states it's completely legal to buy a gun with no paperwork privately (changes from state to state) which is kinda worrying.

Shitty people who leave their rifles lying about their house puss me off. It is the reason why it is easy for unstable people to get guns (a safe isn't that expensive)

I need to defend my home is bullshit. You do not need a ar-15 to defend your house unless it's from a invasion. Its called an assault rifle for a reason, and any officer who has trained for urban combat, will tell you that a long rifle is horrible for close quarters (home).

I own guns. They're fun to take to the range and it does make me feel safer that I have a handgun close by my bed to defend myself if needed.

There's no need to arm yourself to the teeth to protect yourself from government. If you wanted to do that learn about politics and economics and vote.
Jun 29 2015 10:04PM
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270on420out
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LonelyIf you do everything right with guns that's great.

If not, not great.

In quite a few states it's completely legal to buy a gun with no paperwork privately (changes from state to state) which is kinda worrying.

Shitty people who leave their rifles lying about their house puss me off. It is the reason why it is easy for unstable people to get guns (a safe isn't that expensive)

I need to defend my home is bullshit. You do not need a ar-15 to defend your house unless it's from a invasion. Its called an assault rifle for a reason, and any officer who has trained for urban combat, will tell you that a long rifle is horrible for close quarters (home).

I own guns. They're fun to take to the range and it does make me feel safer that I have a handgun close by my bed to defend myself if needed.

There's no need to arm yourself to the teeth to protect yourself from government. If you wanted to do that learn about politics and economics and vote.


Finally a logical post.
Jun 29 2015 10:29PM
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JAHpowRead the first page private sales yes they do in some states.


Some..........
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