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What are your objections to buying used and also why are you against the t*i series?

CameraWizWhat are your objections to buying used and also why are you against the t*i series?

nothing i want something newer then a t3i like a t5i

fuck the rebels, get a used 60d for $450 on BH, and get the vello battery grip (like 40$ max) on amazon, and get the 50 1.8 and buy like 3 of the 2 packs of wasabi LP-E6 (i think) batteries (they hold more power and i love the ones i have, never gotten bad batteries from them and it is 2x for 25$)

thats what i would do.

The used 60D on BH is excelent. I got one and mine had 5k clicks and one tiny scratch on the bottom and it was 300$ off new price.

robraylaxnothing i want something newer then a t3i like a t5i

There's no difference besides pretty much a touch screen....

Your pretty stupid for paying extra for T5i over T3i. Theres almost no difference at all. A lot of the edits on NS will be with a T3i or even T2i and tokina 11-16 and a glidecam.
Dont get an X Grip those things are trash. It fell off my clothes dresser and the leg snapped off. Plus it provides no stabilization. Torrent adobe premiere onto your laptop for editing.

There is no reason to spend a lot more for brand new equipment, especially when you have a limited budget. Save money with buying used and invest in some nicer glass.

while I also agree that if you can get a good deal on a used one you should take it, why not t4i yet you will take the t5i? literally the only difference between the two is the rubber in the grips and the mode knob spins all the way around on the t5i. if you can find it a new t4i is going to perform THE EXACT SAME as a t5i.

if you can buy a new t3i (there are lots of places that still sell them) it will be fairly similar as well.

Another question is how far do you see yourself taking filming? Ideally what are some of the features you want in the next camera? full frame? 1080p at 60 fps? 4k? this may dictate choice as well

nikon makes some good stuff. the d3200 is the dslr within your current budget from nikon. same video sizes and framerates as the canon stuff. not as popular of an option as the t_i series, but (argualbly) just as good. Nikon really shines in the photo department, and compared to the t_i series the nikon will (again arguably) take better pictures. the video mode (argualbly) is not as good as the canon stuff (but takes the same framerate at the same sizes) 1080p at 30 fps or 24 fps, and 720p at 60 fps, and 30 fps (it does others but you wont need them). the biggest advantage it has over the canon is the upgradeability factor (depending upon the options you want in the next camera). nikon has full frame cameras that do 1080p video at 60 fps. canon does not. While canons _d series is quite good, it has been lagging behind competitors in terms of video, and your initial investment in a camera should (if only minorly) consider this. it is really nice to not have to sell off glass to buy new glass, or even have to adapt it to a new body.

another great option is the micro 4/3 stuff. (if you want to buy used it will be in your budget, otherwise not) a used GH2 can fall within your budget, and is a great camera to learn on. upgradeability on it is awesome too, the gh4 can do 4k, as well as 1080p at 60fps, and is definately an option after you have capped out on the gh2. the downside though is that the micro 4/3 sensors are smaller than the typical crop factor cameras (nikon d3200, canon t_i etc) and therefore going to perform a little worse in low light (depends on glass you're using etc). quality glass is also (depends where your looking, but in general) cheaper for the micro 4/3 sytems. so thats a plus as well.

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to summarize:

- go with used, you can find some really good used stuff from reputable people at a significant cost reduction. just be careful of who you buy it from. some places even offer a warranty (B and H etc). If you can find it in your price range I would personally go for (if you want to upgrade in the future) a used GH2 if you are looking to do more video than photo, and Nikon if you want to do more photo than video. if you dont plan to upgrade and keep the same body the whole time a t3i is a great choice.

if you have to buy new there are a lot of places that will still sell new t3is, start with that. d3200s are still available as well. rarely you will see t4is that are brand new (due to the rubber grips giving some people skin irritation (those people were allergic) and t4is being "an embarrasment to canon for it" you can sometimes find new ones for cheaper than new t3is (and the touch screen of the t4i is pretty handy - autofocus during video is terrible and a feature you will never use). the t3i does have better magic lantern integrability than the t4i though so weigh that into your decision)

hopefully this helps!

DorianFWhile canons _d series is quite good, it has been lagging behind competitors in terms of video, and your initial investment in a camera should (if only minorly) consider this.

Just want to point out that Nikon refreshed their higher level cameras last year, and canon will soon follow, so it is likely that the 1080@60 (if not greater) will be on Canon DSLRs in the next year to a year and a half...

DorianFwhile I also agree that if you can get a good deal on a used one you should take it, why not t4i yet you will take the t5i? literally the only difference between the two is the rubber in the grips and the mode knob spins all the way around on the t5i. if you can find it a new t4i is going to perform THE EXACT SAME as a t5i.

if you can buy a new t3i (there are lots of places that still sell them) it will be fairly similar as well.

Another question is how far do you see yourself taking filming? Ideally what are some of the features you want in the next camera? full frame? 1080p at 60 fps? 4k? this may dictate choice as well

nikon makes some good stuff. the d3200 is the dslr within your current budget from nikon. same video sizes and framerates as the canon stuff. not as popular of an option as the t_i series, but (argualbly) just as good. Nikon really shines in the photo department, and compared to the t_i series the nikon will (again arguably) take better pictures. the video mode (argualbly) is not as good as the canon stuff (but takes the same framerate at the same sizes) 1080p at 30 fps or 24 fps, and 720p at 60 fps, and 30 fps (it does others but you wont need them). the biggest advantage it has over the canon is the upgradeability factor (depending upon the options you want in the next camera). nikon has full frame cameras that do 1080p video at 60 fps. canon does not. While canons _d series is quite good, it has been lagging behind competitors in terms of video, and your initial investment in a camera should (if only minorly) consider this. it is really nice to not have to sell off glass to buy new glass, or even have to adapt it to a new body.

another great option is the micro 4/3 stuff. (if you want to buy used it will be in your budget, otherwise not) a used GH2 can fall within your budget, and is a great camera to learn on. upgradeability on it is awesome too, the gh4 can do 4k, as well as 1080p at 60fps, and is definately an option after you have capped out on the gh2. the downside though is that the micro 4/3 sensors are smaller than the typical crop factor cameras (nikon d3200, canon t_i etc) and therefore going to perform a little worse in low light (depends on glass you're using etc). quality glass is also (depends where your looking, but in general) cheaper for the micro 4/3 sytems. so thats a plus as well.

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to summarize:

- go with used, you can find some really good used stuff from reputable people at a significant cost reduction. just be careful of who you buy it from. some places even offer a warranty (B and H etc). If you can find it in your price range I would personally go for (if you want to upgrade in the future) a used GH2 if you are looking to do more video than photo, and Nikon if you want to do more photo than video. if you dont plan to upgrade and keep the same body the whole time a t3i is a great choice.

if you have to buy new there are a lot of places that will still sell new t3is, start with that. d3200s are still available as well. rarely you will see t4is that are brand new (due to the rubber grips giving some people skin irritation (those people were allergic) and t4is being "an embarrasment to canon for it" you can sometimes find new ones for cheaper than new t3is (and the touch screen of the t4i is pretty handy - autofocus during video is terrible and a feature you will never use). the t3i does have better magic lantern integrability than the t4i though so weigh that into your decision)

hopefully this helps!

That was kick ass, I went with a d3300 and its amazing ill keep you posted with news and questions about it

EDolloStoneJust want to point out that Nikon refreshed their higher level cameras last year, and canon will soon follow, so it is likely that the 1080@60 (if not greater) will be on Canon DSLRs in the next year to a year and a half...

Considering it's already on the 7D2... Duh. (the biggest gripe is that canon had it on their top end stuff years ago and didn't implement it into their more affordable stuff until now - not that they never were going to)

Anyway, yeah for your budget, you're definitely looking in the Nikon D5100/D5200/D3200 or Canon T3i/60D range for a body.

Personally, I'd recommend a D3200 and some lenses for your budget. a 35 f1.8, an 18-70 f3.5-4.5, and a few good vintage non-AI lens options wouldn't run you too high. Maybe a Tokina 12-24 f4 if you wanted wide angle. throw in a cheaper microphone option, and a half-decent tripod and you'll be at around 800 bucks depending how you budget.

If you wanted Canon, I'd go T3i, 12-24 f4, 50 f1.8, and a Tamron 28-75 f2.8. Then a cheap 135 f2.8 for long shots.