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Do you believe there is a God?

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milk_man
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Do you believe in God? Do you believe there is one God, or many gods? Or no God at all.. Are we alone on earth?


If there is no God then everything is relative, which means morality is relative. If you don't believe in God then where do you gain your sense of right and wrong? From laws and rules created by the GOVERNMENT?


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Jan 15 2015 10:07AM
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Lonely
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milk_manBecause then it gets even more improbable. We're talking about the initial creation of life from non living matter. The odds are somewhere between 1 in 10^40 and 1 in 10^290. Very low estimate and very high estimate.

Why else do you think they need the earth to be billions and billions of years old? Because that's the only way that this crap would be vaguely maybe possible to take place


Where did you get those numbers? 10^290 is an incomprehensibly large numbers. Sure it's improbable but that is high even for a high end of the estimate.

While it may be controversial, life from nonliving matter can be broken down into a fairly simple series of steps. All you need is the right chemicals and the right environment to start to create proteins and then rna, and then life on the cellular level.

Those conditions need to be perfect, and again I will tell you that with how large our universe is, those conditions are probable. We haven't even explored are solar system completely, something that is very small in the grand scheme of things.
Jan 11 2017 8:13PM
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californiagrown
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milk_manBecause then it gets even more improbable. We're talking about the initial creation of life from non living matter. The odds are somewhere between 1 in 10^40 and 1 in 10^290. Very low estimate and very high estimate.

Why else do you think they need the earth to be billions and billions of years old? Because that's the only way that this crap would be vaguely maybe possible to take place


So if you constantly see much more improbable things around you all the time, why don't you blame god for those?
Jan 11 2017 10:31PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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milk_manBecause then it gets even more improbable. We're talking about the initial creation of life from non living matter. The odds are somewhere between 1 in 10^40 and 1 in 10^290. Very low estimate and very high estimate.

Why else do you think they need the earth to be billions and billions of years old? Because that's the only way that this crap would be vaguely maybe possible to take place


Wait are you actually retarded? First of all who is "they". Second of all why are you denying carbon dating? Third of all why do you deny science as a whole and believe in a book written by ignorants? Fourth of all answer my original question (instead of ignoring it like a pussy) and tell me why all life needs purpose...
Jan 11 2017 11:20PM
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onenerdykid
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milk_manWhy else do you think they need the earth to be billions and billions of years old? Because that's the only way that this crap would be vaguely maybe possible to take place


This is not a simple thought experiment. There is DATA and EVIDENCE that factually confirms the universe is 14 billion years old. From that evidence the odds are extrapolated and we realize how crazily insane the odds are. It's not a guessing game. It's a conclusion based on data and evidence where predictions were made and repeatedly proven over and over again.
Jan 12 2017 2:52AM
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milk_man
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Charlie_KellyWait are you actually retarded? First of all who is "they". Second of all why are you denying carbon dating? Third of all why do you deny science as a whole and believe in a book written by ignorants? Fourth of all answer my original question (instead of ignoring it like a pussy) and tell me why all life needs purpose...


What? When and how am I denying carbon dating? I don't deny it. Carbon dating only dates back 50,000 years. Why would I deny that?

Human life needs (has) purpose because we have consciousness. How can a being go from being unconscious to conscious. It doesn't make any sense, I guarantee science can't answer that because they'll just say it happened over millions of years. I want a clear cut answer how, and then test it on an animal.
Jan 12 2017 8:35AM
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milk_man
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onenerdykidThis is not a simple thought experiment. There is DATA and EVIDENCE that factually confirms the universe is 14 billion years old. From that evidence the odds are extrapolated and we realize how crazily insane the odds are. It's not a guessing game. It's a conclusion based on data and evidence where predictions were made and repeatedly proven over and over again.


There was data and evidence that Hillary Clinton was going to win the election. And that data should have been easier to measure than how old the universe is
Jan 12 2017 8:38AM
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californiagrown
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milk_manThere was data and evidence that Hillary Clinton was going to win the election. And that data should have been easier to measure than how old the universe is


Next time, make sure to warmup and and stretch before you reach that hard.

Lol. You fundamentally do not understand how radioactive dating works. It's sad you won't look into how things older than 50k are actually dated, and what the possible errors are for those methods.
Jan 12 2017 8:52AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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milk_manWhat? When and how am I denying carbon dating? I don't deny it. Carbon dating only dates back 50,000 years. Why would I deny that?

Human life needs (has) purpose because we have consciousness. How can a being go from being unconscious to conscious. It doesn't make any sense, I guarantee science can't answer that because they'll just say it happened over millions of years. I want a clear cut answer how, and then test it on an animal.


I'm going to fully disagree. I think you feel the need to have purpose because you want to feel like your life has meaning, when in reality we are no different from any other animal on this planet. Consciousness doesn't dictate purpose, it's simply another link in the evolution chain.

milk_manThere was data and evidence that Hillary Clinton was going to win the election. And that data should have been easier to measure than how old the universe is


Those polls didn't mean shit. What percent of the voting population take part in those polls? Less than 10%?
Jan 12 2017 9:25AM
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onenerdykid
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milk_manThere was data and evidence that Hillary Clinton was going to win the election. And that data should have been easier to measure than how old the universe is


You grasping at thin air here... you really need to read up on how many times this has been verified and how many different aspects of physics demonstrate it & back it up.
Jan 12 2017 9:59AM
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Lonely
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milk_manWhat? When and how am I denying carbon dating? I don't deny it. Carbon dating only dates back 50,000 years. Why would I deny that?

Human life needs (has) purpose because we have consciousness. How can a being go from being unconscious to conscious. It doesn't make any sense, I guarantee science can't answer that because they'll just say it happened over millions of years. I want a clear cut answer how, and then test it on an animal.


milk_manThere was data and evidence that Hillary Clinton was going to win the election. And that data should have been easier to measure than how old the universe is


Well, there is my daily dose of ignorance.

Care to respond to any of my other posts?
Jan 12 2017 10:26AM
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milk_man
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californiagrownNext time, make sure to warmup and and stretch before you reach that hard.

Lol. You fundamentally do not understand how radioactive dating works. It's sad you won't look into how things older than 50k are actually dated, and what the possible errors are for those methods.


Weve been over this. Scientists claim to know how much of each element the rock, etc started out with. And they assume that level based on current conditions. If you can't see that it's an unreasonable assumption then I don't know what to say to you
Jan 12 2017 11:33AM
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californiagrown
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milk_manWeve been over this. Scientists claim to know how much of each element the rock, etc started out with. And they assume that level based on current conditions. If you can't see that it's an unreasonable assumption then I don't know what to say to you


You don't understand how radioactive dating works, and it is proved by what you said above.

Look into it more. Do your own research, specifically on uranium/lead dating. Learn how it actually works.
Jan 12 2017 11:58AM
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miroz
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milk_manWeve been over this. Scientists claim to know how much of each element the rock, etc started out with. And they assume that level based on current conditions. If you can't see that it's an unreasonable assumption then I don't know what to say to you


Let's look at those assumptions. The assumptions are that (1) all of a particular isotope found in the rock sample is due to the radioactive decay of precursors, which occurs at a known rate, and that (2) none of the isotopes used for dating have been removed from the mineral by geologic processes.

(1) If a mineral forms by rejecting a particular element in its crystal structure (for example, the mineral zircon rejects lead, the final element in the uranium decay chains), any amount of that element found in a mineral sample can be assumed to have been trapped there after being created from radioactive decay. Mineralization can be verified by microscopy.

(2) Minerals used for radiometric dating are known to survive geologic processes such as erosion or transport. Though I don't know this for certain (I'm not a geologist), I'm confident that many experiments have been performed to show the (in)stability of minerals in the range of possible geochemical environments (reducing/oxidizing, alkaline/acidic, in the presence of this or that, etc). We can further inform the design of these experiments and the interpretation of their results by actually observing these environments.

By these tenants of mineralogy, you can determine the original quantity of material by summing the amounts of the precursor and daughter (because the atom doesn't disappear by radioactive decay, it only changes). So we can in fact know how much was originally there.

If you're invoking an argument along the lines of "those dates are really fucking long ago and there's no way you can know that these minerals weren't affected by some cataclysmic shit between then and now", then fine, go for it. But it comes across as a nihilistic argument to reject evidence that goes against your existing beliefs.
Jan 12 2017 3:47PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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all god believers should be removed from the country.
Jan 25 2017 9:59AM
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Lonely
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I saw an interesting thought experiment the other day that uses simple logic to prove that god could not both obey the most basic laws of logic, and give the world free will at the same time.

I see more and more similarities between flat earthers and religous sheeple nowadays
Jan 25 2017 11:07AM
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milk_man
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LonelyI see more and more similarities between flat earthers and religous sheeple nowadays


Don't you think it's bad to group billions of people together and make assumptions about them? Or is that not a problem to you
Jan 25 2017 11:40AM
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Lonely
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milk_manDon't you think it's bad to group billions of people together and make assumptions about them? Or is that not a problem to you


Now he responds.

I have no problem generalizing people who blindly believe religion and who blindly believe a flat earth. And what assumptions did I make? I just said I've been seeing more similarities between the two groups.
Jan 25 2017 11:50AM
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milk_man
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LonelyNow he responds.

I have no problem generalizing people who blindly believe religion and who blindly believe a flat earth. And what assumptions did I make? I just said I've been seeing more similarities between the two groups.


Oh I gotcha. I'm not offended though, since I don't blindly believe in Christianity. I'm not a part of the group you were generalizing :D
Jan 25 2017 5:58PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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milk_manOh I gotcha. I'm not offended though, since I don't blindly believe in Christianity. I'm not a part of the group you were generalizing :D


So what do you believe in exactly?
Jan 25 2017 6:29PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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milk_manOh I gotcha. I'm not offended though, since I don't blindly believe in Christianity. I'm not a part of the group you were generalizing :D


i feel like anyone who believes in any god is totally mindless and a serious problem for the integrity of our nation. The only reason religion exists is that people can rationalize the fact that they are totally useless to the world in the long run.

Like, if you need Jesus so you can feel special, just kill yourself.
Jan 25 2017 8:22PM
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milk_man
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Byron_tha_gr8i feel like anyone who believes in any god is totally mindless and a serious problem for the integrity of our nation. The only reason religion exists is that people can rationalize the fact that they are totally useless to the world in the long run.

Like, if you need Jesus so you can feel special, just kill yourself.


There's the difference between Christians and non Christians I guess. People who don't believe in God to me are just people. They aren't bad people. They're just people like me. They aren't less of human beings and they certainly shouldn't go kill themselves because they are valuable
Jan 25 2017 10:20PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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milk_manThere's the difference between Christians and non Christians I guess. People who don't believe in God to me are just people. They aren't bad people. They're just people like me. They aren't less of human beings and they certainly shouldn't go kill themselves because they are valuable


The world would be better off without religion. Anyone who continues to spread its evil should repent.
Jan 26 2017 12:16AM
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minihef
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milk_manPeople who don't believe in God to me are just people. They aren't bad people. They're just people like me. They aren't less of human beings and they certainly shouldn't go kill themselves because they are valuable


What you say here does not fit with your religion's teachings. According to Christianity they are sinners who will go to hell for eternity for simply not believing. It doesn't matter if they are good, or kind, or compassionate. The only thing that matters is whether they believe the 'right' god.

That just doesn't fit with them being valuable. If they were god would prove his existence to them, not condemn them to hell for failing to believe things for which he has not provided sufficient evidence.
Jan 26 2017 10:02PM
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JWillySkeez
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minihefWhat you say here does not fit with your religion's teachings. According to Christianity they are sinners who will go to hell for eternity for simply not believing. It doesn't matter if they are good, or kind, or compassionate. The only thing that matters is whether they believe the 'right' god.

That just doesn't fit with them being valuable. If they were god would prove his existence to them, not condemn them to hell for failing to believe things for which he has not provided sufficient evidence.


Sadly this is old rhetoric that is still commonly practiced. The message at most services that I have attended is forgiveness and acceptance which I can agree with, and I would like to see this discussed at more churches.
Jan 27 2017 12:46AM
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onenerdykid
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JWillySkeezSadly this is old rhetoric that is still commonly practiced. The message at most services that I have attended is forgiveness and acceptance which I can agree with, and I would like to see this discussed at more churches.


This rhetoric is straight from the scripture in the Bible. Theologically, it is 100% correct, especially if you read the Old Testament. In the New Testament, it is clear that you at the very least will not get to God without following Jesus. And in some cases (John 15:5-6) you will be cast out like a withered branch and burned.
Jan 27 2017 2:44AM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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JWillySkeezSadly this is old rhetoric that is still commonly practiced. The message at most services that I have attended is forgiveness and acceptance which I can agree with, and I would like to see this discussed at more churches.


thats great, youve discovered a NEW form of christianity, that is NOT based on the bible!!! How exciting, your religion will soon be just as credible as mormonism. Or scientology!!!

In fact if a pastor discusses something, it now officially re-writes any biblical ideas it contradicts. What an exciting time to believe in a totally unapparent and non physical being.
Jan 27 2017 10:28AM
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McNoche
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onenerdykidThis rhetoric is straight from the scripture in the Bible. Theologically, it is 100% correct, especially if you read the Old Testament. In the New Testament, it is clear that you at the very least will not get to God without following Jesus. And in some cases (John 15:5-6) you will be cast out like a withered branch and burned.


Your posting habits and especially your tattoos are more fucked up than a niggers check book.
Jan 27 2017 10:34AM
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minihef
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JWillySkeezSadly this is old rhetoric that is still commonly practiced. The message at most services that I have attended is forgiveness and acceptance which I can agree with, and I would like to see this discussed at more churches.


Sure the services may be about forgiveness and acceptance but the core message of Christianity remains the same. It's not really about being good and kind and compassionate. What matters is giving yourself to Christ. If you do that then it doesn't matter if you spent your days raping children - that's just part of your sinful nature from living in a fallen world and Jesus's love will redeem you.

That message is absolutely central to the Bible and to Christianity and in my opinion it is morally fucked.
Jan 27 2017 10:55AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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McNocheYour posting habits and especially your tattoos are more fucked up than a niggers check book.


Your jokes are as bad as your mothers birth control
Jan 27 2017 11:42AM
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McNoche
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Charlie_KellyYour jokes are as bad as your mothers birth control


I'll upvote a quality comeback
Jan 27 2017 11:44AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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McNocheI'll upvote a quality comeback


I respect that.
Jan 27 2017 12:28PM
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onenerdykid
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McNocheI'll upvote a quality comeback


Charlie_KellyI respect that.


+2 NS solidarity points
Jan 27 2017 1:31PM
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JWillySkeez
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Byron_tha_gr8thats great, youve discovered a NEW form of christianity, that is NOT based on the bible!!! How exciting, your religion will soon be just as credible as mormonism. Or scientology!!!

In fact if a pastor discusses something, it now officially re-writes any biblical ideas it contradicts. What an exciting time to believe in a totally unapparent and non physical being.


I don't think I found a new form of Christianity, I was just sharing my personal expirence.
Jan 28 2017 12:26AM
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botski
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6uVT2mXwcY

watch this if you're interested in what's really going on in the world (10 parts).
Feb 2 2017 6:58PM
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milk_man
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Bump. Let's do this again boys
Jan 25 2018 12:09AM
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Lonely
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milk_manBump. Let's do this again boys


I'll get us started. There are trees older than the bible says the earth is.
Jan 25 2018 10:59AM
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.otto.
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LonelyI saw an interesting thought experiment the other day that uses simple logic to prove that god could not both obey the most basic laws of logic, and give the world free will at the same time.

I see more and more similarities between flat earthers and religous sheeple nowadays


can you share that with me? sounds interesting. Also you still at crystal?
Jan 25 2018 12:04PM
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Lonely
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.otto.can you share that with me? sounds interesting. Also you still at crystal?


Damn dude. That was a while back. Idk if I could accurately or correctly describe it. I'll try and find it.

No longer at Crystal either. In da u.p.
Jan 25 2018 12:26PM
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milk_man
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LonelyI'll get us started. There are trees older than the bible says the earth is.


The Bible doesn't give an age for the earth. How old is the oldest tree though?
Jan 25 2018 11:15PM
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sendotologist
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jesus is lord

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oldworld_newlife
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You are God, wake up. You've been asleep for a while. We missed you.
Jan 28 2018 3:11AM
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Velcroraptor
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Tom wallisch is my one and only true god
Jan 28 2018 4:09PM
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Jesse_
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If you were to obliterate the earth and restart with an exact copy of it, the religions and ideologies worshipped would hypothetically be completely different since there isn't an factual proof to any of it.

People argue that if you were to do the same but instead observe science, the principles of it will be rediscovered the and remain the same.

Do I believe in a God? No fucking clue to tell you the truth...
Jan 28 2018 8:26PM
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Jah-Beef
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One time I got really baked and had a realization of God. I saw my whole life in front of me and to describe it best to you it was like I was dead and was reliving all the moments in my life at that one time. Pretty crazy. I thought to myself there has to be at least be some God because without that why would we be in this world, there would be no purpose to living besides just procreation. I thought to myself who made all the rules that we follow instinctively, like killing people and robbing a bank is wrong. Regular animals just kill each other and do whatever they feel like, we are more than that and realize things are wrong, so their must be a purpose to our lives more than just living, maybe having some kids and dying into nothing. This is just a bad short summary, hope it makes sense
Jan 28 2018 10:47PM
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botski
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Jah-BeefOne time I got really baked and had a realization of God. I saw my whole life in front of me and to describe it best to you it was like I was dead and was reliving all the moments in my life at that one time. Pretty crazy. I thought to myself there has to be at least be some God because without that why would we be in this world, there would be no purpose to living besides just procreation. I thought to myself who made all the rules that we follow instinctively, like killing people and robbing a bank is wrong. Regular animals just kill each other and do whatever they feel like, we are more than that and realize things are wrong, so their must be a purpose to our lives more than just living, maybe having some kids and dying into nothing. This is just a bad short summary, hope it makes sense


it does make sense. we are created in the image of God. we can distinguish what is right from what is wrong. we know love, compassion. we do not kill in the way animals kill. we know self-sacrifice. jesus is the ultimate example of that. the bible tells truth. it's not all relative. satan is the ultimate liar, telling us we can become gods, telling us lies to feel good. masquerading like an angel of light or enlightenment, even making many believe he does not even exist. the truth will set you free though.

**This post was edited on Feb 17th 2018 at 3:03:48pm
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Lonely
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botskiit does make sense. we are created in the image of God. we can distinguish what is right from what is wrong. we know love, compassion. we do not kill in the way animals kill. we know self-sacrifice. jesus is the ultimate example of that. the bible tells truth. it's not all relative. satan is the ultimate liar, telling us we can become gods, telling us lies to feel good. masquerading like an angel of light or enlightenment, even making many believe he does not even exist. the truth will set you free though.

**This post was edited on Feb 17th 2018 at 3:03:48pm

Made a new account to post that?
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botski
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LonelyMade a new account to post that?


nah just don't post much
Feb 17 2018 4:12PM
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ahshit
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henrik is my god
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