Full-Tilts HELP ME!

do u have any sort of custom footbed in your boot?

Heat moulding is only part of the fitting process. It sounds like your ach is relatively high causing you pain. I would suggest like said above me, that you get foot beds. But also modify the shell of the boot. Full Tilts can't be modified that much, however a good boot fitter can still make small adjustments.

i have full tilt booters. used them last season without footbeds, had some calf pain and others issues. felt like i needed a bit more support under arch and heel. got sidas customs for this season and its hard to describe how much difference these things make. cant really stress enough how important it is to get footbeds.

Where do you live? Any Full Tilt dealer (no matter if you bought on the internet or wherever) will help you to rectify what is happening. I'd also hope Full Tilt (or Line Skis) since they seem to be one in the same might comment on this to give you some pointers or at least a contact.

I just bought about $550 worth of boots from them(not for me...and returned $380 worth) as they didn't fit right, but the dealer was the cool experience. He did his best to get them fitted right and talked about all the "after stuff" that could be done if there were any problems. He actually recommended not getting them heat fitted as it would occur naturally over time (BS, I don't know?).

So yeah, if you bought them you should keep doing everything you can to try and get them fit right. I live in Colorado where there is a big Full Tilt footprint. Hopefully you live somewhere where you can do the same and have some options.

TwinipzThe area below my pink toe (sort of the arch) was the worst

Sounds like the 5th metatarsal (aka the '6th toe'/bunion)

If thats what it is, custom footbeds (though I highly recommend them, like everyone else here) would not be the first thing you would want to do. Footbeds in full tilts go underneath the liner (instead of inside the liner, like most boots) and will reduce the amount of volume inside the boot. If it is in fact your '6th toe' that is hurting you'll need to get them punched out. There not a lot of room for error (in terms of punching them out) in the classic shell, so hopefully for you its not too bad. Your boot fitter should have caught that you have wider feet and fitted you to either the newer/wider soul shell or the high five/booter (if your dead set on full tilts) After that, Id suggest getting custom footbeds. It kinda sucks when you have to spend all that extra cash to make boots work after having them "fitted" but I guess thats the way it goes. Not all boot fitters are created equal...

Charlie*Sounds like the 5th metatarsal (aka the '6th toe'/bunion)

If thats what it is, custom footbeds (though I highly recommend them, like everyone else here) would not be the first thing you would want to do. Footbeds in full tilts go underneath the liner (instead of inside the liner, like most boots) and will reduce the amount of volume inside the boot. If it is in fact your '6th toe' that is hurting you'll need to get them punched out. There not a lot of room for error (in terms of punching them out) in the classic shell, so hopefully for you its not too bad. Your boot fitter should have caught that you have wider feet and fitted you to either the newer/wider soul shell or the high five/booter (if your dead set on full tilts) After that, Id suggest getting custom footbeds. It kinda sucks when you have to spend all that extra cash to make boots work after having them "fitted" but I guess thats the way it goes. Not all boot fitters are created equal...

Well the twalls dont have a classic shell so...

Your foot might be too wide, had this problem with the hot doggers, switched over to FT's wider model, the Booter. Consider it. There are many ways to fix this ailment. Sounds like your foot is too wide for the boot though.

Charlie*Sounds like the 5th metatarsal (aka the '6th toe'/bunion)

If thats what it is, custom footbeds (though I highly recommend them, like everyone else here) would not be the first thing you would want to do. Footbeds in full tilts go underneath the liner (instead of inside the liner, like most boots) and will reduce the amount of volume inside the boot. If it is in fact your '6th toe' that is hurting you'll need to get them punched out. There not a lot of room for error (in terms of punching them out) in the classic shell, so hopefully for you its not too bad. Your boot fitter should have caught that you have wider feet and fitted you to either the newer/wider soul shell or the high five/booter (if your dead set on full tilts) After that, Id suggest getting custom footbeds. It kinda sucks when you have to spend all that extra cash to make boots work after having them "fitted" but I guess thats the way it goes. Not all boot fitters are created equal...

You put footbeds in the liner. That's the way it should be done. Obviously you're boot fitter gave you some wrong info.

B.QuincyWell the twalls dont have a classic shell so...

Facepalm dude, he said he got fitted for the drop kicks, and didn't get the Twalls like a "13 year old"

SKI.INGYou put footbeds in the liner. That's the way it should be done. Obviously you're boot fitter gave you some wrong info.

Hmm not sure about that, but you could be right. I know that in almost any other boot thats true, yet was told otherwise. I have custom footbeds in my Tilts, and my boot fitter had me run them under the intuition liner. Have no complaints, love em. But ill look into it, just to get my facts straight.

B.QuincyWell the twalls dont have a classic shell so...

They are all the same lower shell except for the 2 wide models...

Charlie*Facepalm dude, he said he got fitted for the drop kicks, and didn't get the Twalls like a "13 year old"



Hmm not sure about that, but you could be right. I know that in almost any other boot thats true, yet was told otherwise. I have custom footbeds in my Tilts, and my boot fitter had me run them under the intuition liner. Have no complaints, love em. But ill look into it, just to get my facts straight.

Put that shit in the liner... it is a less effective support...
If your liner conforms to your foot it would obviously conform to your footbed negating some but not all of the support that the footbed gives you.

But the answer is to toss your fulltilts and get the something from the kr2 series.

RIFFRAFFThey are all the same lower shell except for the 2 wide models...

Nah, the Soul has an updated, wider toe box and is a mm or 2 wider at the waist than the classic shell. It also has the replaceable souls.

RIFFRAFFPut that shit in the liner... it is a less effective support...
If your liner conforms to your foot it would obviously conform to your footbed negating some but not all of the support that the footbed gives you.

But the answer is to toss your fulltilts and get the something from the kr2 series.

Yeah still not sure about that one. Not saying it means anything, but I got my full tilts fitted at the only place Full Tilt themselves endorsed, peep it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENcyNcPQNN8

Like I said in above post, i'm not saying I'm positive, only going on what the boot fitter told me. The intuition liner adapts both inside and outside, so you get a much more comfy footprint inside the liner, and all the support underneath from the liner conforming to the footbed. They put the footbeds in first, than heat molded the liner on top. I actually tested putting them inside the liner and didn't like it as much, it put more strain on overlap of the liner and put more pressure on top of my foot. I'm guessing with a conventional liner that has a tongue that wouldn't be an issue and thats why pretty much all other boots have them inside the liner. Just a guess, like I said, I'm going to check with my boot fitter and see what he says about it.

Had a pair of KR2's. Loved em! Probably a superior boot in most aspects honestly. They seemed more ridged than my current Full Tilt Konflicts, and they felt more responsive. However the Kryptons felt noticeably heavier and were less forgiving in the park. I wanted to try something new, got the Konflicts and am very happy with them. They each have there own strengths, I'd buy either of them again.

Charlie*I got my full tilts fitted at the only place Full Tilt themselves endorsed, peep it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENcyNcPQNN8

Like I said in above post, i'm not saying I'm positive, only going on what the boot fitter told me. The intuition liner adapts both inside and outside, so you get a much more comfy footprint inside the liner, and all the support underneath from the liner conforming to the footbed. They put the footbeds in first, than heat molded the liner on top. I actually tested putting them inside the liner and didn't like it as much, it put more strain on overlap of the liner and put more pressure on top of my foot. I'm guessing with a conventional liner that has a tongue that wouldn't be an issue and thats why pretty much all other boots have them inside the liner. Just a guess, like I said, I'm going to check with my boot fitter and see what he says about it.

With FT's style of Intuition liner and an Aline footbed (what Skirack uses a lot of the time), there is great success with putting the footbed under the liner. I've personally done it for Tom Wallisch, Andy Parry, Will Wesson, LJ, and countless other FT users. Other footbeds will not work in this way, but it does work very well in this specific combination. If it is a different liner or a different footbed, the traditional method of footbed in liner is the way to go.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm going to the boot fitter again today to ask him what he thinks, and I'll look into foot beds.

Where exactly should you get a custom foot bed from?

onenerdykidWith FT's style of Intuition liner and an Aline footbed (what Skirack uses a lot of the time), there is great success with putting the footbed under the liner. I've personally done it for Tom Wallisch, Andy Parry, Will Wesson, LJ, and countless other FT users. Other footbeds will not work in this way, but it does work very well in this specific combination. If it is a different liner or a different footbed, the traditional method of footbed in liner is the way to go.

Well I stand corrected, sorry Charlie^. And so how do we know when to put them under or in the liner onenerdy? I've been using my fulltilts for a while and my custom is inside my liner. Would I have to remold to put them under?

SKI.INGWell I stand corrected, sorry Charlie^. And so how do we know when to put them under or in the liner onenerdy? I've been using my fulltilts for a while and my custom is inside my liner. Would I have to remold to put them under?

As a boot-fitter, you need to be a realist. So, whichever way works & feels the best for you is the right way. If it feels wrong or you don't like it, don`t do it.

In my opinion, the best liners are the ones that use a hard sole/bottom. This construction style ensures that the footbed is at rest on a stable surface. With Full Tilt's version of an Intuition liner, they use a soft bottom made of Ultralon foam. This makes for a comfy out-of-the-box feel, but a less than ideal material to put a supportive footbed on since it has the potential to move around more. Whether you put the footbed in the liner or under the liner, the foot will not be on a solid foundation no matter which way you do it.

A-Line footbeds use a very unique construction that allows these liners to be placed over them and then heat molded (they can also be placed inside the liner as well). The liner bottom compresses and molds over the contours of the footbed very well. However, if you are using a Superfeet, Sidas, Boot Doc, or any other brand of footbed it is most likely better to put them inside the liner rather than under it since they are built very differently.

Again, at the end of the day, the only right answer is the one that produces the best results for you. If you happen to like the footbed inside the liner, go for it. If you happen to have an A-Line and like how it feels under the liner, that's fine too.

^Thanks!

OK, so i'm starting to get pretty upset with my boots.

I speant about 3 hours at the boot fitter, getting inserts and adjusting them to my feet more. I had them punched on the side a tiny tiny bit to be a bit wider to fit my feet. I got inserts for my boots and I had them heat molded for a second time, this time strapped down really tight so they would be more roomy when they were done...

And they felt pretty good! I wore them for about 30 min and I was feeling slight arch pain, which was strange because we had the proper arch sized insert (I have enormous arches, so we needed a size 13 insert and cut it down to my size 10.5 feet).

Then, I went skiing. And it was a disaster...
I put my boots on and immediately knew something was wrong. The boots were WAY WAY tighter than before, and were extremely painful. After about 3 runs I ran inside and took out the arches because there was just not enough space for them in there, my feet were being squashed on the lowest buckle settings. Taking out the inserts felt much better, but slowly started to make the outside edge of my heel reaaaally hurt.

If there is a boot fitter on NS, or you guys have had similar experience, please help!

Any bootfitter on this site will not be able to help you without seeing your foot in the shell, liner, etc.

To be honest, it sounds like you were hellbent on Fulltilts and they ultimately don't fit your feet well. I feel like any reputable bootfitter wouldn't size you into drop-kicks without checking out your foot and making 1-2 other boot recommendations.

Just because someone sells boots doesn't make them a boot fitter.

TwinipzOK, so i'm starting to get pretty upset with my boots.

I speant about 3 hours at the boot fitter, getting inserts and adjusting them to my feet more. I had them punched on the side a tiny tiny bit to be a bit wider to fit my feet. I got inserts for my boots and I had them heat molded for a second time, this time strapped down really tight so they would be more roomy when they were done...

And they felt pretty good! I wore them for about 30 min and I was feeling slight arch pain, which was strange because we had the proper arch sized insert (I have enormous arches, so we needed a size 13 insert and cut it down to my size 10.5 feet).

Then, I went skiing. And it was a disaster...
I put my boots on and immediately knew something was wrong. The boots were WAY WAY tighter than before, and were extremely painful. After about 3 runs I ran inside and took out the arches because there was just not enough space for them in there, my feet were being squashed on the lowest buckle settings. Taking out the inserts felt much better, but slowly started to make the outside edge of my heel reaaaally hurt.

If there is a boot fitter on NS, or you guys have had similar experience, please help!

First, let's assume that you are actually in the right boot (just because you went to a fitter, it does not necessarily mean you are actually in the right boot. He could have made a mistake, or he's just not that good. But let's assume he is for now). You can't simply go from not having a footbed to skiing on one- your foot will freak out. Your fitter should have mentioned this to you. Your foot has been used to no support, and now it has TONS of support. You need to ease into wearing footbeds, usually 20 minutes a day for a few days before you go skiing.

Now let's imagine that you are in the wrong boot, which it unfortunately kind of sounds like you are. If you can't fit a footbed in a boot, then your foot is too high volume for that shell (generally speaking). Plus, you've had them blown out and liners remolded.... this all leads me to believe it might not be the best option for you...

So let's go over some points: is this shop known for doing good boot work, how long is your foot, what is your forefoot width, what footbeds are you using? Your boot-fitter should have at least told you these points during the fitting process.