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What are your guys thoughts on conspiracies, some of them are dumb but some are pretty interesting. Theres this thing going around about an aids patent from 12 years ago just search 5676977. Any thoughts? Any other neat conspiracies you know about? Probably a repost just thought the patent thing was interesting.
*DUMBCAN*double post (or maybe not) cos I'm reading about philosophy.
Greedy reductionism applies to theorists - they want there idea to work so badly that they overlook facts and skip parts of their theories in order to construct an coherent, and often over-elaborate, concept.
Normalcy Bias: refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. the assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur.
Normalcy Bias: refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. the assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur.
hurricane Katrina...
Are you saying hurricane katrina never happened? The way I see it it was just a monumental catastrophic 100% avoidable fuckup, no conspiracy.
But yeah normalcy bias is a thing, as shown quite nicely here:
*DUMBCAN*Are you saying hurricane katrina never happened? The way I see it it was just a monumental catastrophic 100% avoidable fuckup, no conspiracy.
But yeah normalcy bias is a thing, as shown quite nicely here:
jesus man, im saying the people of new Orleans were experiencing normalcy bias. there were multiple warnings from experts to the state to evacuate the citizens basically to get away because shit's gona get real and people will die. people and the state just ignored those pleas because they figured, "nahhhh we've never had a hurricane that big, it's not going to happen." well it did happen...
Food_Stampsyup, but the chances of all the coincidences being truthful decrease too since there are more videos of interviews just like that one.
Second article:
"We followed a group of people in Michigan over six years in a bereavement study where we knew a lot about the people before the loss occurred. We showed that about half the sample showed no symptoms at any point in the study. They just were not depressed before or after the loss, and we found that they were healthy people."
There are no numbers out there suggesting that more than 50% of the people who were affected by the shooting showing an absence of grief.
A common logical failure of conspiracy theories is the texas sharpshooter fallacy; out of a large set of data you choose a cluster of data to prove your point. I would say the argument you are trying to support is an even more extreme case of this because you only have posted one piece of evidence supporting your argument; that is a damn small subset of the data and you are rightfully so being reamed apart because of it.
Bottom line; if you don't have the capability or motivation to provide the evidence to back up your arguments it will be dismissed immediately.
And CeeCee Lyles 9/11 call, commission report admits to cellphone call and not airphone! Impossible that she called from the plane she was 30,000 feet up in the air.
And CeeCee Lyles 9/11 call, commission report admits to cellphone call and not airphone! Impossible that she called from the plane she was 30,000 feet up in the air.
Also, 9/11 New Pearl Harbor is a good documentary, just don’t listen to Alex Jones and don’t watch that Loose Change garbage.
You're such an idiot. It has been proven time and time again that you can make a cellphone call at cruising altitude. Not to mention the Jihad scumboys that hijacked the plane didn't fly it at cruising altitude for very long... All of the 9/11 conspiracy bullshit has been disproven logically. A lot of it is people's reactions as its occurring or straight up ignorant, untrue 5th account crap... like there were no plane parts recovered, or the plane made a neat lil hole in the inner ring of the Pentagon. That's not what happened, do some fucking research outside of these idiotic youtube videos.
False flag operations are covert military or paramilitary operations designed to deceive in such a way that said operations appear as though they are being conducted by outside forces. This gives a nation a pretext to start a war and subsequently make it appear as though they are the victims and are fighting for morally just reasons. Furthermore, those dubious about going to war are enticed to change their viewpoints by way of morally artificial psychological tactics. And it also limits the abilities for opposing interests to stop the war. Whether foreign or domestic, those against the war would be put into the same category as those that they claim carried out the false flag. Governments do it all the time.
Also,
"The relationship between 9/11 and insurance industry money laundering may be a key factor. Silverstein's payment for the WTC destruction of 9/11 was deceitful. He received much more than the reviewed value of the buildings. The insurance companies did not prosecute Silverstein for fraud because it wasn't insurance company money used to pay the settlement. What insurance company pays for the criminal conduct of third parties? There was no 'murderer in hand. As a result, no one act or omission could be identified as having caused the murders. There is no insurance liability, no causality. Life insurance proceeds are not immune from the money-laundering scheme. Insurance rates are based upon claims. The rates and claims remain relatively stable from year to year. (There is a quota system for claims, including traffic fatalities. Many automobile accidents are not accidents.) Any building that was not owned by Silverstein Properties that day oddly remained standing, despite being a lot closer to the two towers that collapsed onto them. However, there was no sufficient evidence to sue Silverstein. Now the quote “pull it” specifically means to demolish a building. However, Silverstein, after two years self-confessed it meant to withdraw all the fire fighters out of WTC7. The insurmountable problem with Silverstien’s statement is that there were no fire fighters within WTC7."
JenniferGarnerYou're such an idiot. It has been proven time and time again that you can make a cellphone call at cruising altitude. Not to mention the Jihad scumboys that hijacked the plane didn't fly it at cruising altitude for very long... All of the 9/11 conspiracy bullshit has been disproven logically. A lot of it is people's reactions as its occurring or straight up ignorant, untrue 5th account crap... like there were no plane parts recovered, or the plane made a neat lil hole in the inner ring of the Pentagon. That's not what happened, do some fucking research outside of these idiotic youtube videos.
In 2001 it was impossible to make a cellphone call from an airplane at cruising altitude. It is up to the receiving towers to pick up the signal and rout it through the system. It is thought that beyond 10,000 feet cellphones become useless.
But POPULAR MECHANICS states that, “they do work at cursing altitudes.”
In a study done in 2003 in Ontario, Canada three cellphones each from different phone companies were used. At 1000 feet all cellphones worked with little noise. 4000 feet company B phone stopped working, at 8000 feet none of the phones worked. At an altitude of 35000 feet cellphones would be absolutely useless. The continuous triangulations or handoff needed to keep a signal at such a speed and altitude that day would be impossible!
The Washinton Post, concluded that most cellphones can’t reach a station from beyond 10,000 feet.
Edward Felt used his cellphone when locked inside a laboratory where air phones are not available.
Debunkers use the ludicrous claim, “Only two cellphones used argument.”
Thomas Burnett made a call with his cellphone at 32,000 feet which is impossible.
"We followed a group of people in Michigan over six years in a bereavement study where we knew a lot about the people before the loss occurred. We showed that about half the sample showed no symptoms at any point in the study. They just were not depressed before or after the loss, and we found that they were healthy people."
There are no numbers out there suggesting that more than 50% of the people who were affected by the shooting showing an absence of grief.
A common logical failure of conspiracy theories is the texas sharpshooter fallacy; out of a large set of data you choose a cluster of data to prove your point. I would say the argument you are trying to support is an even more extreme case of this because you only have posted one piece of evidence supporting your argument; that is a damn small subset of the data and you are rightfully so being reamed apart because of it.
Bottom line; if you don't have the capability or motivation to provide the evidence to back up your arguments it will be dismissed immediately.
well I guess that's where you went wrong. I never posted any argument, I posted a link to a video of a news interview because OP asked to see something interesting, no arguing involved. if I really wanted to post evidence to support an argument I would just say, "the history and archives of any country + government".....plenty of evidence of 'conspiracy' right there.
but bottom line, you can dismiss anything you want anytime you want.
JenniferGarnerYou're such an idiot. It has been proven time and time again that you can make a cellphone call at cruising altitude. Not to mention the Jihad scumboys that hijacked the plane didn't fly it at cruising altitude for very long... All of the 9/11 conspiracy bullshit has been disproven logically. A lot of it is people's reactions as its occurring or straight up ignorant, untrue 5th account crap... like there were no plane parts recovered, or the plane made a neat lil hole in the inner ring of the Pentagon. That's not what happened, do some fucking research outside of these idiotic youtube videos.
I want to here what you have to say. I backed up my statements with evidence. All I have seen you do is spew fallacies and belittle me.
CONAIR_BUSCEMII want to here what you have to say. I backed up my statements with evidence. All I have seen you do is spew fallacies and belittle me.
In theory some cell towers can extend well past 6 miles of range. And in fact people can and do use cell phones on planes. IIRC on 9/11 the people on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania were getting information via cell phones to know they needed to try to recapture the plane.
As I understand, the main problem with using a cell phone on a plane is you pass from tower to tower too quickly. Cell towers work by passing you from one tower to the next as you move. In a plane you are zooming from tower to tower so fast the system has trouble handing you off one to the next. The range the calls were made was about 5.6 miles. but you still can make phone calls.
Food_Stampsya don't, find it on the internet. there are even police reports of his 911 call where he's claiming he is on scene at the school and there are shots so cops need to come, buttttt at the same time he claims in video interviews to have been at the hospital he worked at while the shooting took place....how can he be 2 places at once?
as for proof of website, you can check facebook, Emilie parker fund page...created before the Emilie parker memorial page was created.
also I fucked up, page was created same day as attack, not before.
I do find this odd. That being said there are more important questions worth pleading in a court of law.
Wolfgang Halbig the National Executive Director for the Children’s Safety Institute for the Obama Administration, who was a key eye-witness in the columbine shooting life was threatened when questioning Sandy Hook.
Very odd that his life was threatened when his job is to ask questions so as to make schools safer.
Here’s a good list of questions that need to be asked,
Who and Why did they not request the Life Star Helicopters knowing that children and school staff are seriously injured and clinging to life?
Those are one of the quickest and effective medical services they could have received and NO trauma helicopters were ever requested..
Again.. NO trauma helicopters for the victims..but we had a helicopter recording the scene..
2. Who and Why did they not allow the Paramedics and the EMT’S inside the Sandy Hook School to treat the seriously injured or those children and school staff clinging to life?
3. Who declared all 20 children and six school staff members legally dead within the first 11 minutes?
Think about it... 26 people declared dead within the first 11 MINUTES?? Also Connecticut law states that only a doctor can declare them legally dead..
4. Who provided the urgent medical care to the two children who were not transported to the Danbury Trauma Center until an hour after the school was deemed safe for that 15-mile drive?
5. Who treated those two children who had been shot multiple times like three to 11 times since they did not allow the paramedics and EMT’S inside the Sandy Hook Elementary School?
7. What happened to the 500 children and 60 school staff members from Sandy Hook Elementary School on Dec 14, 2012?
"Approximately 700 students were present.”-CNN
There is no footage of the massive evacuation of 700 People or even 500+ people.
8. Who was the police officer calling into the Newtown Police dispatcher at (9:55:28) stating in his words that we should have multiple weapons,a long rifle and a shotgun? How would he know about both of these guns when the long rifle was found in classroom 10 and the shotgun was found in the back of Adam Lanza's trunk at night?
10. Why would a police officer by the name of Lt Vanghele at 9:45:21 am on Dec 14, 2012 from the Newtown Police Department after finding a kindergarten female child in the hallway make her go into room eight (8) and leave her? Room eight was the supposed gruesome crime scene with dead children and school staff. Official Report quote "In all, seventeen people were killed in classroom 8." Why would they leave the child in there?
11. Why would two CT State Troopers enter room Ten (10) (which is a gruesome crime scene with dead bodies of children and school staff) tell a kindergarten boy who they find in the bathroom who’s name is redacted tell him to stay and they will be both be back when it is safe?
Why would they do that when room ten(10) is the same room Adam Lanza allegedly killed himself?
12.Why wouldn't the medical examiner allow the families to see the bodies of their children?
This is UNHEARD of. We are led to believe that the victims families are only satisfied with seeing just a photo of their loved one who they will never see again..
Think of how you would act as a parent..
13.The official story says Adam Lanza shot over 150+ rounds and killed 26 people in less than 5 minutes.
None of the witnesses stories match this claim. Many have said they heard a loud popping noise over the loud speaker. If they were inside the school they should have been able to hear these loud 150+ rounds from an Ar-15 going off without a loud speaker.
The shooting is supposed to be taking place during the 911 calls and you can't hear the 150+ rounds going off.
The school nurse who hid inside the school said she heard 5 shots not 150+ shots.
Why is that?
14. The official story states Adam Lanza shot over 150+ rounds killing 26 people in less than 5 mins...Why did the police wait 5 mins before they entered the school when they could have helped save lives?
15. Why did the responding officers have to park a quarter mile from the scene?
16. Who was the company that you the police allowed in the school providing me with the start date and end date of removing all of the Bio-Hazard materials?
They would have to remove all the blood, bodily fluids, brain matter, skull fragments and around 45-60 gallons of blood based on the number of children and school staff shot and killed that day..
Note* When Halbig asked about contractor’s names for such services as installing the new security system and cleaning up biological material after the event, he was told disclosing that information would “put the children at risk”. What the does that even mean?
17. Why would the FBI make the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting Classified?
When the FBI Investigative report in the Columbine Mass shooting is NOT.
18. Why can't they provide the list of 26 children and the music teacher who performed at the 2013 Super Bowl in New Orleans.
This should be classified as a field trip and the parents should have been required to sign waivers in the event their child was injured on the field trip.
Who paid for their flight? What's the name of the individual or school or school board who paid for that huge expense?
We know that the NFL paid for their hotel which the NFL refuses to disclose the name off.
Halbig: As a school administrator and as a Former Risk Manager these are school board requirements and they are hiding that information within that Consent Agenda.
19. How is it possible that a trained SWAT team or many SWAT teams that day could not find the Registered Nurse(Sally Cox) and a Secretary who made a 911 call from the front office in a closet for over 4 hours after after searching the school 3 times?
21. Why did reporter Andrea McCarren report that she spoke with the School Nurse of Sandy Hook and the nurse stated she met eyes with the shooter and jumped under a desk?
Why would she say something like that when Nurse Sally Cox states (on ABC morning news) that she only saw his feet?
22. Why did McCarren also report saying that she asked the nurse "If she knew the suspects mother..and she said she did..and she was an absolutely loving person..a very caring experienced kindergarten teacher...just the kind of person you would want with your 5 year old children"?...
When Nancy Lanza was not a kindergarten teacher at Sandy Hook and former school board official Lillian Bittman, is quoted saying" No one has heard of her."
24. Why Lt. George Sinko working an off-duty detail at a construction site and making overtime money ignore the 911 calls and a Newtown police dispatcher requesting help from police officers for shots fired at The Sandy Hook Elementary School.
For over two hours he sits and does absolutely nothing while children and school staff are supposedly being shot and killed.
25. Why would Adam" No Motive" Lanza drive past 8 other schools and go to Sandy Hook Elementary?
We have seen no motive for him to do so.
26. Why did Pete Williams from NBC report that a couple of officials said that on the 13th of December.. Adam Lanza went to the school and got into some kind of altercation with four other staff members.. and that on December 14th..3 out of 4 of those staff member were killed?
Why would he say a couple of officials told him that? Who are those officials?
This needs to be clarified because Lt. Vance states that this is false information and there are no reports of any altercation.
27. Why would CNN show footage of cops hastily running into St.Rose of Lima with a description saying Police Shootings Took Place in Two Rooms at School
Schools principal and psychologist among the dead?
28. Why would News 12 show the same footage with descriptions saying Fatal School Shooting...Newtown School Shooting?
The only footage we have of cops responding with a sense of urgency and they are at the wrong school.
Who are these cops and why are they there and not at Sandy Hook there is supposed to be a shooting taking place THERE?
29. Why was Eric Holder in Connecticut with Governor Dan Malloy announcing Project Longevity, an initiative that provides new federal grant money to prevent gun violence on November 27th, 2012...Before the Sandy Hook Shooting on December 14th, 2012?
30. Why are Attorney General Eric Holder and the Department of Justice, giving money to the police in Newtown when they should already be getting paid to do their job? Under Holder's Plan
Connecticut State Police are slated to collect $663,444
The Town of Newtown will take in $602,293
The Town of Monroe will receive $602,293
More than two dozen other agencies from the surrounding area will get $296,836
Note* Eight State Police detectives received $139,000 in overtime pay for work on the investigation since January 1, 2013
31. As of Dec. 26, 2012 the Sandy Hook School Support Fund received $3.5 million
As of April 16, 2013 Sandy Hook victims' funds raise $20.4 million
As of July 12, 2013 $281,000 was given to each of the Sandy Hook "victims" family members
As of today they are still raising money on mysandyhookfamily fund where they want $2.6 Million
They assure you it's ok because they have already raised $1.6 Million and 100% of it was given to the families.(From November 25, 2013 Update)
They are also currently sending emails out requesting constant donations of $10 or more for Sandy Hook Promise..
Why do they need so much money?
32. Why did Lt. Vance State state the gunman was found in the hallway when the official report states Adam Lanza was found in Room Ten(10)?
33. Why is it said in the final report that "He then took his own life with a single shot from a Glock 20, 10 mm pistol in classroom 10" We are led to believe he commited suicide..
When Part I, book 8 #71 (Hoboken report) Top of Page 4 it states... "Male walking into elementary school and shot kids & faculty member. Male was fataly wounded by police on the scene"?
34. Can you answer ALL of these reasonable questions?
CONAIR_BUSCEMI32. Why did Lt. Vance State state the gunman was found in the hallway when the official report states Adam Lanza was found in Room Ten(10)?
33. Why is it said in the final report that "He then took his own life with a single shot from a Glock 20, 10 mm pistol in classroom 10" We are led to believe he commited suicide..
When Part I, book 8 #71 (Hoboken report) Top of Page 4 it states... "Male walking into elementary school and shot kids & faculty member. Male was fataly wounded by police on the scene"?
34. Can you answer ALL of these reasonable questions?
zzzskizzzIn theory some cell towers can extend well past 6 miles of range. And in fact people can and do use cell phones on planes. IIRC on 9/11 the people on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania were getting information via cell phones to know they needed to try to recapture the plane.
As I understand, the main problem with using a cell phone on a plane is you pass from tower to tower too quickly. Cell towers work by passing you from one tower to the next as you move. In a plane you are zooming from tower to tower so fast the system has trouble handing you off one to the next. The range the calls were made was about 5.6 miles. but you still can make phone calls.
Why in a handful of studies on the internet that recreates the 9/11 calls conclude that you can not call from a cellphone beyond 10,000 feet. I would believe 15,000 feet with static but not 35,000 feet! You can listen to one of the 9/11 calls and there is no static whatsoever. A plane traveling at 500mph at 35,000 feet using a cellphone with a low frequency transmitter, coupled with the handoff needed to keep a signal at such a speed and altitude that day would be impossible.
CONAIR_BUSCEMIWhy in a handful of studies on the internet that recreates the 9/11 calls conclude that you can not call from a cellphone beyond 10,000 feet. I would believe 15,000 feet with static but not 35,000 feet! You can listen to one of the 9/11 calls and there is no static whatsoever. A plane traveling at 500mph at 35,000 feet using a cellphone with a low frequency transmitter, coupled with the handoff needed to keep a signal at such a speed and altitude that day would be impossible.
a lot of the calls that were made to get droped and had to be made multiple times but cell phones were used. there's no denying that fact, what are you trying to prove that the people actually were not on the plane and they're still alive hiding out somewhere?
zzzskizzza lot of the calls that were made to get droped and had to be made multiple times but cell phones were used. there's no denying that fact, what are you trying to prove that the people actually were not on the plane and they're still alive hiding out somewhere?
I think he's trying to say that with the resources available one cannot know with 100% certainty what took place. maybe they're alive, maybe dead.
Food_StampsI think he's trying to say that with the resources available one cannot know with 100% certainty what took place. maybe they're alive, maybe dead.
so what does that accomplish, faking a bunch of peoples deaths?
zzzskizzzso what does that accomplish, faking a bunch of peoples deaths?
good question, but are you asking me? knowing that groups of powerful people like the majestic 12 have existed in various forms all throughout history, does a person on an internet ski forum seem like the person who would have the reasons behind the motives of those groups? maybe we don't know what their motives would accomplish besides speculation?
when you have time, read dr. carol rosin's testimony about famous scientist wernher von braun from operation paperclip...
Food_Stampsgood question, but are you asking me? knowing that groups of powerful people like the majestic 12 have existed in various forms all throughout history, does a person on an internet ski forum seem like the person who would have the reasons behind the motives of those groups? maybe we don't know what their motives would accomplish besides speculation?
when you have time, read dr. carol rosin's testimony about famous scientist wernher von braun from operation paperclip...
or maybe it accomplishes nothing, and paranoid maybe setting in.
zzzskizzzor maybe it accomplishes nothing, and paranoid maybe setting in.
sure, maybe. but cause and effect says otherwise.
plus i'd take the word of people in nasa and high ranking military personnel over the word of a tabloid news outlet anyday.
.Hugo.Im sure there is a reasonable explanation for all of your copy pasted questions. But no one is going to take the time to read all of that bullshit
.Hugo.Im sure there is a reasonable explanation for all of your copy pasted questions. But no one is going to take the time to read all of that bullshit
Wolfgang Halbig the National Executive Director for the Children’s Safety Institute for the Obama Administration was a key eyewitness in the columbine shooting asked and asked these questions and instead of a simple answers his life was threatened and he was asked to hush.
Food_Stampspersonally, I believe there were interviewed actors(there is more than 1 video) and I believe that there actually was a shooting but won't rule out any other possibilities since there is not enough proof available to know indefinitely what occurred.
you mad? or are you 1 of those people who believes they know every possible variable with 100% certainty just because they read something somewhere or heard something on the tv? even when intellectuals such as Chomsky admit while explaining the science of making credible claims that there is not enough proof available to even have an opinion on events like "building 7"? either way, you're a douchebag and probably religious judging by how faithful you are.
zzzskizzza lot of the calls that were made to get droped and had to be made multiple times but cell phones were used. there's no denying that fact, what are you trying to prove that the people actually were not on the plane and they're still alive hiding out somewhere?
Calls could not of been made at that speed (handoff) and altitude (signal). No static and a cellphone call that lasted almost an hour in flight, I believe it was Flight 93 which reached an altitude of 35000 feet. Listen to CeeCee Lyles cellphone call to her husband, she does not seem distraught and keeps reiterating the point that she is "on the plane, she is On the plane." At the end you can hear her whisper, “it’s a frame.” That being said these calls could not of been placed at that speed and altitude. The only other possible explanation is that those who called their relatives from their cellphones could not of placed those calls from the airplanes in flight and were in a different location entirely.
American Airlines Flight 11, United Airlines Flight 175, American Airlines 77 and Flight 93 flew between 100mph to 200mph over their vmo in the lower stratosphere. Flight 77 flew 130 miles per hour over its vmo suffering no exterior damage at close to sea-level. At 30,000 feet the air is very thin and the airplane can easily travel beyond 500mph without encountering much resistance if at all. As soon as the airplane starts to descend the atmosphere becomes thicker and thicker and the plane needs to reduce its speed in order to preserve its structural integrity. Below 10,000 feet in altitude speeds are recommended at 250mph. All planes have a maximum operating velocity. Should the maximum operating velocity be exceeded a phenomenon known as flutter can occur. Once any plane exceeds its maximum operating velocity the wings, ailerons, and even the fuselage are at risk. Google AirChina 006 which exceeded its maximum operating velocity, the exterior damage can be seen all around the plane.
A 767’s maximum operating speed is 414mph, a 757’s maximum operating velocity is 402mph. Yet on 9/11 all airplanes were flown at speeds close to or beyond 500mph near sea level without suffering any visible structural damage while remaining under control all the way to their designated targets. Flight 11 hit the North tower at 492mph. During the decent of United airlines Flight 175 from 12,000’ to 6,000’ it flew at a speed of 600mph and hit the south tower at 586mph! That is almost 200mph beyond the maximum operating velocity of a 767. Flight 77 hit the pentagon at a speed of 530mph or 130mph over its maximum operating velocity. Flight 93 was able conducted a series of right and left maneuvers at 350mph, then followed by similar up and down maneuvers at 400mph. Yet, the hijacker who was unfit to fly a solo in a single engine airplane was able to perform these maneuvers and fly at a speed of 580mph. Boeing, aeronautical experts/engineers like Ben Eadie, Gordon Wilson and pilots who flew the actual planes allegedly hijacked on 9/11 admit that this is not possible. I am not entirely sure but I think one of the four planes had a Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot system that would detect a hijacking and take full control of the plane.
Russ Wittenburg, pilot of Flight 93 and UA 175, “I don’t believe its possible for a terrorist train on a 172 single engine cessna to jump in the cockpit of a 757, 767 and vertical navigate and lateral navigate the aircraft and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding its designed lint velocity at well over a 100knots. Make high speed, high bank turns, pulling 5 to 7g-force the aircraft would literally break apart in midair, I couldn’t do it and I am absolutely possible they couldn’t do it.”
Can you produce any evidence that a Boeing 767 equipped with regular engines can fly for almost 2minutes beyond 500mph in the lower stratosphere of the atmosphere without suffering any visible structural damage? Can you explain how amateur pilots who had never flown a jet before in their life could maintain full control of an airliner that has exceeded the vmo by almost 200mph? And why would terrorists who have been lucky enough to get within reach of their target want to risk the entire operation by imposing such a stress on the airplane that it would almost certainly cause them to crash before they complete their mission?
If these weren’t the planes that the official narrative states they were than what were they?
Well what we do know is that the CIA had been developing plans for covert operations that involve the in flight swapping of commercial airliners with military drones painted and made to look identical to commercial airliners all the way back in the 1960’s. One such plane detailed how to replace a civil airliner with a military drone in midair unbeknownst to the air traffic controllers. After the swap the airliner would land in a military base (all planes that day jarred back to their target just as they flew over a military base that day.) I believe there is a whistleblower that saw it first hand. The drone would continue to fly appearing on radar as the original plane, it would be remotely guided into the target.
Not saying that this is what happened. Just something to think about. Nevertheless, we need a new, independent investigation into 9/11.
zzzskizzz^ calls can and have been made from airplanes before if you want to believe otherwise you're more than welcome to. Tldr
Well your delusional then. In 2001 none of those calls could of been made at the altitude (35,000’) and speed the planes were flying at. One call lasted up to an hour, with no staid. Impossible! If you read my other post I get into greater detail. I can find countless studies that conclude that those calls could not of been placed.
zzzskizzz^ calls can and have been made from airplanes before if you want to believe otherwise you're more than welcome to. Tldr
I’m backing my statements up with the exact altitude and speed of which these calls were placed allegedly in flight, which in itself is impossible. Now a days you are lucky to get a signal at cruising altitude but in 2001 placing a call at 35,000’ feet for over an hour traveling well over 500mph will always be impossible. The low frequency emitter and receiving towers needed to pick up the signal and rout it would be to weak and if the call was in fact placed, which it could not of been the handoff triangulations from tower A to B needed to keep a signal would drop the call over and over again.
CONAIR_BUSCEMIRuss Wittenburg, pilot of Flight 93 and UA 175, “I don’t believe its possible for a terrorist train on a 172 single engine cessna to jump in the cockpit of a 757, 767 and vertical navigate and lateral navigate the aircraft and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding its designed lint velocity at well over a 100knots. Make high speed, high bank turns, pulling 5 to 7g-force the aircraft would literally break apart in midair, I couldn’t do it and I am absolutely possible they couldn’t do it.”
Other than how 1000000% of this is bullshit, lets start here. Just note that in most real disputes (over real things, i.e. not imaginary stories) if you have one massive false assumption, lie, or any form of fallacy in your case it will be considered untrustable and will be thrown out immediately, regardless of other content it contains.
I have a friend who is a pilot for an extremely large European airline. He flies a A330, one of the most common planes in the world. He told me: 'larger planes are much easier to fly than smaller ones because the computer does all the work. While you need a technical understanding to fly one professionally, anyone can get the basics just on flight simulator.' He then proceeded to show me how to manually fly a 747.
Your argument is retarded, regardless of the credibility of the source.
*DUMBCAN*Other than how 1000000% of this is bullshit, lets start here. Just note that in most real disputes (over real things, i.e. not imaginary stories) if you have one massive false assumption, lie, or any form of fallacy in your case it will be considered untrustable and will be thrown out immediately, regardless of other content it contains.
I have a friend who is a pilot for an extremely large European airline. He flies a A330, one of the most common planes in the world. He told me: 'larger planes are much easier to fly than smaller ones because the computer does all the work. While you need a technical understanding to fly one professionally, anyone can get the basics just on flight simulator.' He then proceeded to show me how to manually fly a 747.
Your argument is retarded, regardless of the credibility of the source.
What I am saying though is that in my opinion it is impossible or almost impossible for people with zero hours experience on Boeing 767 or any “heavy” to allegedly slit the throats of not one but two of the occupants of that cockpit, and then jump in the left seat and then hand fly VFR all the way to New York. One of the hijackers good not even fly a single engine Cessna and had a poor understanding of the controls.
CONAIR_BUSCEMIWhat I am saying though is that in my opinion it is impossible or almost impossible for people with zero hours experience on Boeing 767 or any “heavy” to allegedly slit the throats of not one but two of the occupants of that cockpit, and then jump in the left seat and then hand fly VFR all the way to New York. One of the hijackers good not even fly a single engine Cessna and had a poor understanding of the controls.
Just know that we all think your opinion is meaningless.
CONAIR_BUSCEMIWhat I am saying though is that in my opinion it is impossible or almost impossible for people with zero hours experience on Boeing 767 or any “heavy” to allegedly slit the throats of not one but two of the occupants of that cockpit, and then jump in the left seat and then hand fly VFR all the way to New York. One of the hijackers good not even fly a single engine Cessna and had a poor understanding of the controls.
Look, its all the same bullshit that's built upon ignorance and clinging onto singular fringe studies! Good god, I'm a massive fan of conspiracy theories but you people are too idiotic to spot a conspiracy with an actual body of evidence to support it instead of ridiculous claims with no motivation or evidence. "I'm just asking questions, bro!" Yeah, that's all you're doing. You're not proving shit and reading that list up above you could answer with police protocols involving active shooters, random news speculations, report times vs. time of actual events and emergency response protocols in general. Even when people provide many sources of evidence proving the contrary, they will ignore it completely and still cling onto their shitty "studies" or people speculating on the news.
There are some fucked up conspiracies out there, you're just too stupid to see them. Its like trying to teach a slave owner what the idea of civil rights entails... a waste of time. But please go on, I love reading all the baseless ideas and opinions... oh wait sorry, "questions". Yes, you go freedom fighter!
JenniferGarnerLook, its all the same bullshit that's built upon ignorance and clinging onto singular fringe studies! Good god, I'm a massive fan of conspiracy theories but you people are too idiotic to spot a conspiracy with an actual body of evidence to support it instead of ridiculous claims with no motivation or evidence. "I'm just asking questions, bro!" Yeah, that's all you're doing. You're not proving shit and reading that list up above you could answer with police protocols involving active shooters, random news speculations, report times vs. time of actual events and emergency response protocols in general. Even when people provide many sources of evidence proving the contrary, they will ignore it completely and still cling onto their shitty "studies" or people speculating on the news.
There are some fucked up conspiracies out there, you're just too stupid to see them. Its like trying to teach a slave owner what the idea of civil rights entails... a waste of time. But please go on, I love reading all the baseless ideas and opinions... oh wait sorry, "questions". Yes, you go freedom fighter!
