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zzzskizzzThat's great our society's legal system accepts I witness testimonies as proof. it is been shown by psychiatrists that you actually can inplant a false memory into people. while we're on the subject I also don't agree with mob mentality so we should take the jury split them into 2 groups of 6 and have each of them give the verdict, only then if they match should we find the person guilty. I will say the second time your argument makes no sense that is not my stance on proof.

why is our legal system so trivial to you? if witness testimony is a powerful enough agent to be used in a court of law then why can it not be acceptable in everyday thinking?
it's pretty simple, do you consider witness testimony(the same as used in court) to be a legit form of proof?
if your answer is no, do you agree all the prisoners who were put in prison under the false pretense of witness testimony should be released?

Food_Stampswhy is our legal system so trivial to you? if witness testimony is a powerful enough agent to be used in a court of law then why can it not be acceptable in everyday thinking?
it's pretty simple, do you consider witness testimony(the same as used in court) to be a legit form of proof?
if your answer is no, do you agree all the prisoners who were put in prison under the false pretense of witness testimony should be released?

It depends on the person some people are much more credible than others. do I think that I witness testimony alone in every single case means the persons should go to jail no. but we're not talking about someone going to jail. Were talking about my individual belief, and no I do not accept an I witness testimony from the past to be substantial proof for me to base my belief that God created the entire universe. This is the third time I'm telling you your argument makes absolutely no sense and if you're going to keep bringing it up I'm just going to ignore you.

zzzskizzzIt depends on the person some people are much more credible than others. do I think that I witness testimony alone in every single case means the persons should go to jail no. but we're not talking about someone going to jail. Were talking about my individual belief, and no I do not accept an I witness testimony from the past to be substantial proof for me to base my belief that God created the entire universe. This is the third time I'm telling you your argument makes absolutely no sense and if you're going to keep bringing it up I'm just going to ignore you.

ok, individual belief can still result in you being a hypocrite though, so just answer the question. since you believe that witness testimony is not a legit form of proof then wouldn't you agree that all prisoners put in prison from the false pretense of witness testimony should be let go? just yes or no, pretty easy lol.

Food_Stampswhy is our legal system so trivial to you? if witness testimony is a powerful enough agent to be used in a court of law then why can it not be acceptable in everyday thinking?
it's pretty simple, do you consider witness testimony(the same as used in court) to be a legit form of proof?
if your answer is no, do you agree all the prisoners who were put in prison under the false pretense of witness testimony should be released?

Witnesses are hardly reliable. Like I said in a previous post, witnesses can lie or misconstrue the truth. You act like their word is god-sent. That is a terrible way of thinking.

Simple question, what holds more weight; a person saying they saw someone commit a murder with a knife or the actual knife with finger prints and bloodstains that prove the murder took place? Exactly, physical proof will always trump phony witness testimony.

Granite_StateWitnesses are hardly reliable. Like I said in a previous post, witnesses can lie or misconstrue the truth

Of course witnesses can be unreliable at times. But good luck finding people who witnessed evolution lol

Food_Stampsok, individual belief can still result in you being a hypocrite though, so just answer the question. since you believe that witness testimony is not a legit form of proof then wouldn't you agree that all prisoners put in prison from the false pretense of witness testimony should be let go? just yes or no, pretty easy lol.

and yet you still bring it up as I have stated before every court case is different so it really depends. You're trying to compare a US Court case to the universe being created, and it is not the same thing. It's also a giant fallacy to group tens of millions of cases together and give it an end all yes and no.

milk_manOf course witnesses can be unreliable at times. But good luck finding people who witnessed evolution lol

we can see it its called archaeological evidence, go to a museum.

zzzskizzzwe can see it its called archaeological evidence, go to a museum.

Archaeological evidence is about as reliable as a witness.

milk_manArchaeological evidence is about as reliable as a witness.

Who's holding a knife with the killer's fingerprints on it.

milk_manArchaeological evidence is about as reliable as a witness.

Bahahaha this is the dumbest thing I've ever read...

You are pretty much denying science which is idiotic.

Religion is a virus that sets back mankind.

Gonna post this again because its so damn spot on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RfUj09pWfM

zuesIf human evolution is properly examined, it becomes quite evident that all religions form based upon groups of isolated peoples in varying climates and regions.

Forms of humanity have existed for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years. The earliest forms of life to differentiate from primates are the Australopithecus genus which began around 3.5 millions years ago. This is the first group to differentiate themselves from primates. As you know evolution continued for the next 3.5 million years.

After the latest ice age dissipated from the northern hemispheres the most recent forms of humans which is all of us, homo sapiens, had already existed for a quarter of a million years. All peoples religions are based upon our ancestors lives.

One of the oldest known religions - Zoroastrianism derived from the middle east where it is thought civilization began.

Some religions today are just relics of other prehistoric beliefs with tall tales sprinkled in.

Organized religions today are only a catalyst for hate. In actuality it should congregate people together. We all are a remnant of a massive lineage of science.


At least thats what my bong rips just revealed to me.

And now after reading the thread I still stick with my answer.

zuesAnd now after reading the thread I still stick with my answer.

And its spot on.

Granite_StateBahahaha this is the dumbest thing I've ever read...

You are pretty much denying science which is idiotic.

Religion is a virus that sets back mankind.

Gonna post this again because its so damn spot on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RfUj09pWfM

Science is about observing. And the only way you can accurately observe the past is by witnessing it.. Science isn't infallible. Yet you have so much faith in it.

zzzskizzzand yet you still bring it up as I have stated before every court case is different so it really depends. You're trying to compare a US Court case to the universe being created, and it is not the same thing. It's also a giant fallacy to group tens of millions of cases together and give it an end all yes and no.

wtf are you talking about? never once in this thread did I even mention the word 'universe'...
you said you believe witness testimony is not a legit form of proof, so let's say today august 30/2014 you have decided to rid our legal system of the ineffective use of witness testimony as a form of evidence. now, will you be releasing the prisoners who are in prison right now due to the testimony of witness(false pretenses)??? doesn't matter if a physical fingerprint is a better form of evidence, completely irrelevant.....do you release them or keep them in prison? since you're too afraid to "lump them together" to formulate an answer then how about this, would you release even one of those prisoners? think about this, the only reason that prisoner is there to begin with is because of an eye witness testimony(the police making arrest),nothing to do with a US court case....but that is unlawful now.

if your entire city was under quarantine due to a disease, it was determined every single individual of that city had contracted the same bacteria. do you treat them all the exact same? do you give them all the same meds? or would individuals get different meds? do some get meds and some aren't permitted them?

milk_manOf course witnesses can be unreliable at times. But good luck finding people who witnessed evolution lol

every person is a witness to evolution.

Food_Stampsevery person is a witness to evolution.

Not at all. Evolution isn't still happening today. Adaptation is still happening though. But that is different, adaptation doesn't involve the DNA of an animal changing..

milk_manScience is about observing. And the only way you can accurately observe the past is by witnessing it.. Science isn't infallible. Yet you have so much faith in it.

That's just not true, I find when this discussion comes about religious people just start grasping at straws to save their faith.

You can observe the present to gain an understanding of the past. How do you think fossils work? You can also learn of past natural disasters from observing current layers of sediment. There are hundreds of ways to observe things in the present that reveal what has happened in the past.

Here's a simple one. We know the Earth is over 4 billion years old by observing different layers of sediment and rock and also through carbon dating, yet the Bible states the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

And I have far more "faith" in science than I do in a book of contradictions and fallacies that was written by ignorant men who didn't fully grasp how the world worked.

Granite_StateThat's just not true, I find when this discussion comes about religious people just start grasping at straws to save their faith.

You can observe the present to gain an understanding of the past. How do you think fossils work? You can also learn of past natural disasters from observing current layers of sediment. There are hundreds of ways to observe things in the present that reveal what has happened in the past.

Here's a simple one. We know the Earth is over 4 billion years old by observing different layers of sediment and rock and also through carbon dating, yet the Bible states the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

And I have far more "faith" in science than I do in a book of contradictions and fallacies that was written by ignorant men who didn't fully grasp how the world worked.

You think that the earth is 4 billion years old, and just because of carbon dating. No one can comprehend billions of years.

Granite_StateThat's just not true, I find when this discussion comes about religious people just start grasping at straws to save their faith.

You can observe the present to gain an understanding of the past. How do you think fossils work? You can also learn of past natural disasters from observing current layers of sediment. There are hundreds of ways to observe things in the present that reveal what has happened in the past.

Here's a simple one. We know the Earth is over 4 billion years old by observing different layers of sediment and rock and also through carbon dating, yet the Bible states the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

And I have far more "faith" in science than I do in a book of contradictions and fallacies that was written by ignorant men who didn't fully grasp how the world worked.

The Bible doesn't state that the earth is 6000 years old. That's just a number taken from the genealogies and years poeple lived.

JAHpowThe Bible doesn't state that the earth is 6000 years old. That's just a number taken from the genealogies and years poeple lived.

Good point.

As for Milkman here is a passage from the U.S. Geological Survey:

"The oldest rocks on Earth, found in western Greenland, have been dated by four independent radiometric dating methods at 3.7-3.8 billion years. Rocks 3.4-3.6 billion years in age have been found in southern Africa, western Australia, and the Great Lakes region of North America. These oldest rocks are metamorphic rocks but they originated as lava flows and sedimentary rocks. The debris from which the sedimentary rocks formed must have come from even older crustal rocks. The oldest dated minerals (4.0-4.2 billion years) are tiny zircon crystals found in sedimentary rocks in western Australia."

Just because YOU can't comprehend billions of years doesn't mean that scientists can't. Once again, grasping at straws.

Granite_StateGood point.

As for Milkman here is a passage from the U.S. Geological Survey:

"The oldest rocks on Earth, found in western Greenland, have been dated by four independent radiometric dating methods at 3.7-3.8 billion years. Rocks 3.4-3.6 billion years in age have been found in southern Africa, western Australia, and the Great Lakes region of North America. These oldest rocks are metamorphic rocks but they originated as lava flows and sedimentary rocks. The debris from which the sedimentary rocks formed must have come from even older crustal rocks. The oldest dated minerals (4.0-4.2 billion years) are tiny zircon crystals found in sedimentary rocks in western Australia."

Just because YOU can't comprehend billions of years doesn't mean that scientists can't. Once again, grasping at straws.

Oh you're totally right. Scientists are above all and can understand everything lol. No dude they're just humans, we're all just humans

milk_manOh you're totally right. Scientists are above all and can understand everything lol. No dude they're just humans, we're all just humans

Here's some advice, never go full retard.

milk_manNot at all. Evolution isn't still happening today. Adaptation is still happening though. But that is different, adaptation doesn't involve the DNA of an animal changing..

Evolution happens at too slow of a rate for any one to witness. It needs to take place over hundreds, thousands, millions of generations. Genetic mutations occur much more often than we are aware of. Most are benign and do not cause a significant change in the organism but others do change an organism and give them a trait they didn't have before. These mutations along with environmental changes are what cause evolution.

You're right, adaptation does not involve DNA mutations. But if a group of organisms(same species) have a beneficial trait caused by a genetic mutation that sets them apart, they will become the more successful population. Over time(many generations) all the organisms in that population will have that trait because they are more competitive compared to the ones without. This is an example of how species evolve and although you can't actually view it, logically it makes perfect sense. Survival of the fittest is real dude.

Although we we can't "witness" evolution, it doesn't mean it's not occurring. There's so much supporting evidence for it.

MinggEvolution happens at too slow of a rate for any one to witness. It needs to take place over hundreds, thousands, millions of generations. Genetic mutations occur much more often than we are aware of. Most are benign and do not cause a significant change in the organism but others do change an organism and give them a trait they didn't have before. These mutations along with environmental changes are what cause evolution.

You're right, adaptation does not involve DNA mutations. But if a group of organisms(same species) have a beneficial trait caused by a genetic mutation that sets them apart, they will become the more successful population. Over time(many generations) all the organisms in that population will have that trait because they are more competitive compared to the ones without. This is an example of how species evolve and although you can't actually view it, logically it makes perfect sense. Survival of the fittest is real dude.

Although we we can't "witness" evolution, it doesn't mean it's not occurring. There's so much supporting evidence for it.

It still doesn't make sense to me how people can think that a species of animal's DNA can change. We have never observed an animals DNA changing. We have observed adaptations of animals, but that animal's DNA didn't change. That's one part of evolution that makes me think the idea is bogus.

milk_manIt still doesn't make sense to me how people can think that a species of animal's DNA can change. We have never observed an animals DNA changing. We have observed adaptations of animals, but that animal's DNA didn't change. That's one part of evolution that makes me think the idea is bogus.

An individual's DNA does not change. Well it can. But those mutations usually do not cause further mutations in offspring. When a mutation occurs in gametes, that affects the offspring's DNA completely. Whether that change is good or bad determines how well the organism will survive. If it has a significant advantage then the trait will continue to be passed down. If it sucks, then the organism will probably die or not be as successful.

milk_manIt still doesn't make sense to me how people can think that a species of animal's DNA can change. We have never observed an animals DNA changing. We have observed adaptations of animals, but that animal's DNA didn't change. That's one part of evolution that makes me think the idea is bogus.

I guess you've never heard of genetic mutation. That is literally mutations in the genome that change the structure of DNA.

Granite_Statewell you have to be at least slightly close minded to follow religion and ignore science.

And you'd have to be pretty foolish to waste time trying to reason with those people.

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milk_manNot at all. Evolution isn't still happening today. Adaptation is still happening though. But that is different, adaptation doesn't involve the DNA of an animal changing..

Granite_StateThat's just not true, I find when this discussion comes about religious people just start grasping at straws to save their faith.

You can observe the present to gain an understanding of the past. How do you think fossils work? You can also learn of past natural disasters from observing current layers of sediment. There are hundreds of ways to observe things in the present that reveal what has happened in the past.

Here's a simple one. We know the Earth is over 4 billion years old by observing different layers of sediment and rock and also through carbon dating, yet the Bible states the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

And I have far more "faith" in science than I do in a book of contradictions and fallacies that was written by ignorant men who didn't fully grasp how the world worked.

Christian reporting in.

Evolution is happening today. Its always been happening, and always will be. If you believe in the bible, then youd know with the introduction of sin, broke the perfection that God created, and brought in change. Even just humans alone had to develop micro evolutions to survive throughout different climates, and areas in the world that people live. Hence why there are different races, skin colors, melatonin levels, etc.

The best explanation Ive ever heard in regards to the age of the Earth, and then the timeline of the bible, is it never states in Genesis any sort of measurement of time. If God is a ageless God, what a day to him looks like, could be 1,000 years to us. But I am no way stating that this is the actual time period, but simply an example. But if you think about development of the Earth, instead of it being 7 days of 24 hour periods that we believe in, it could essentially be 3 billion years old.



Again, just a theory. I know the Earth isnt simply 6,000 years old, but time now, could be different from then.

urbanjibChristian reporting in.

Evolution is happening today. Its always been happening, and always will be. If you believe in the bible, then youd know with the introduction of sin, broke the perfection that God created, and brought in change. Even just humans alone had to develop micro evolutions to survive throughout different climates, and areas in the world that people live. Hence why there are different races, skin colors, melatonin levels, etc.

The best explanation Ive ever heard in regards to the age of the Earth, and then the timeline of the bible, is it never states in Genesis any sort of measurement of time. If God is a ageless God, what a day to him looks like, could be 1,000 years to us. But I am no way stating that this is the actual time period, but simply an example. But if you think about development of the Earth, instead of it being 7 days of 24 hour periods that we believe in, it could essentially be 3 billion years old.



Again, just a theory. I know the Earth isnt simply 6,000 years old, but time now, could be different from then.

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lIllIAnd you'd have to be pretty foolish to waste time trying to reason with those people.

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Gap creationists believe that certain facts about the past and the age of the Earth have been omitted from the Genesis account; they hold that there was a gap of time in the Biblical account that lasted an unknown number of years between a first creation in Genesis 1:1 and a second creation in Genesis 1:2-31. By positing such an event, various observations in a wide range of fields, including the age of the Earth, the age of the universe, dinosaurs, fossils, ice cores, ice ages, and geological formations are allowed by adherents[10][11][12][12] to have occurred as outlined by science without contradicting their literal belief in Genesis.

urbanjibGap creationists believe that certain facts about the past and the age of the Earth have been omitted from the Genesis account; they hold that there was a gap of time in the Biblical account that lasted an unknown number of years between a first creation in Genesis 1:1 and a second creation in Genesis 1:2-31. By positing such an event, various observations in a wide range of fields, including the age of the Earth, the age of the universe, dinosaurs, fossils, ice cores, ice ages, and geological formations are allowed by adherents[10][11][12][12] to have occurred as outlined by science without contradicting their literal belief in Genesis.

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urbanjibChristian reporting in.

Evolution is happening today. Its always been happening, and always will be. If you believe in the bible, then youd know with the introduction of sin, broke the perfection that God created, and brought in change. Even just humans alone had to develop micro evolutions to survive throughout different climates, and areas in the world that people live. Hence why there are different races, skin colors, melatonin levels, etc.

The best explanation Ive ever heard in regards to the age of the Earth, and then the timeline of the bible, is it never states in Genesis any sort of measurement of time. If God is a ageless God, what a day to him looks like, could be 1,000 years to us. But I am no way stating that this is the actual time period, but simply an example. But if you think about development of the Earth, instead of it being 7 days of 24 hour periods that we believe in, it could essentially be 3 billion years old.



Again, just a theory. I know the Earth isnt simply 6,000 years old, but time now, could be different from then.

good point added. some scientists believe that time is slowing down(space-time continuum)...people posting here seem to be confident in their theories though so fuck it.

Food_Stampsgood point added. some scientists believe that time is slowing down(space-time continuum)...people posting here seem to be confident in their theories though so fuck it.

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urbanjibChristian reporting in.

Evolution is happening today. Its always been happening, and always will be. If you believe in the bible, then youd know with the introduction of sin, broke the perfection that God created, and brought in change. Even just humans alone had to develop micro evolutions to survive throughout different climates, and areas in the world that people live. Hence why there are different races, skin colors, melatonin levels, etc.

The best explanation Ive ever heard in regards to the age of the Earth, and then the timeline of the bible, is it never states in Genesis any sort of measurement of time. If God is a ageless God, what a day to him looks like, could be 1,000 years to us. But I am no way stating that this is the actual time period, but simply an example. But if you think about development of the Earth, instead of it being 7 days of 24 hour periods that we believe in, it could essentially be 3 billion years old.



Again, just a theory. I know the Earth isnt simply 6,000 years old, but time now, could be different from then.

"So the evening and the morning were the first day." and it says that for all the days of creation in the Bible. If you believe the Bible, it's hard to overlook that.

milk_man"So the evening and the morning were the first day." and it says that for all the days of creation in the Bible. If you believe the Bible, it's hard to overlook that.

Literal vs figurative translation of the bible. there's no sense in arguing

milk_man"So the evening and the morning were the first day." and it says that for all the days of creation in the Bible. If you believe the Bible, it's hard to overlook that.

MinggLiteral vs figurative translation of the bible. there's no sense in arguing

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Wiseaunism

milk_manIt still doesn't make sense to me how people can think that a species of animal's DNA can change. We have never observed an animals DNA changing. We have observed adaptations of animals, but that animal's DNA didn't change. That's one part of evolution that makes me think the idea is bogus.

I've explained this to you before, but it mustn't have sunk in. Here we go, again:

Within every cell there is the substance DNA (Deoxyribonucleic Acid). DNA is really a code, and it's divided up into sections called genes. You have to think of DNA as a vast chemical information database that carries the complete set of instructions for making all the proteins a cell will ever need. This genetic information is not so much a blueprint for building an organism as a recipe, out of which complex structures can then emerge.
Now, cells have to divide in order to make more cells for growth, development, and repair. During these divisions, mistakes in the copying of the DNA strands sometimes happen. Apart from the copying errors that occur during replication, mutations of cells (thus DNA) can be caused by viruses, radiation, and chemicals. When mutations happen, they can either have no effect, they can be damaging, or they can offer some slight advantage in the struggle for life - all determinants in the natural selection process. It is a random process, much like the shuffling of cards. Sometimes an organism can be dealt a useful hand, and then, because of natural selection, these useful genetic traits build up over time creating the complex evolutionary changes we see. The millions of years life has existed on earth has been more than enough time for these incremental changes to build up into huge effects. These (sometimes observable) evolutionary processes are still occurring in today's world, too, and will continue to occur as long as there is life.

How can you still not understand this? It's quite a simple process/explanation

MinggEvolution happens at too slow of a rate for any one to witness. It needs to take place over hundreds, thousands, millions of generations.

Not entirely true, fortunately! It can be, and is, witnessable.
Take the way certain bacteria are currently mutating at immense rates to become extremely resilient, and in some cases immune, to antibiotics. The golden age of antibiotics is coming to a close (mainly due to misuse and abuse of antibiotics), and we can directly observe why. This is a perfect illustration of an evolutionary change/adaption.
For a more hands-on and specific example, look at the change in the beak size of the Medium Ground Finch of the Galapagos Islands. In 1977 a severe drought reduced the supply of seeds in the Galapagos. This Finch, which normally preferred small soft seeds, was forced to turn to larger and harder seeds. As a result, only big-beaked individuals got adequate food. Those finches with smaller beaks either starved or were too malnourished to reproduce. By the next generation, the Finch's body mass had noticeably grown, and the size of their beaks had increased, on average, by 10 percent. Another brilliant display of evolutionary change.
There are many other examples, too.

milk_manYou think that the earth is 4 billion years old, and just because of carbon dating. No one can comprehend billions of years.

We know the earth is that old. Do you want me to explain carbon dating to you again, also? I like how you said "just because of carbon dating", too, as if a verifiable mathematical equation and its result, which is about the only thing in this world that can be 100% certain, is somehow less credible or reasonable than the 2000 year old scribblings of a bunch of worryingly simple and deceitful impersonators who had zero scientific understanding of the natural world.
Faith really can do amazingly scary things

las.We know the earth is that old. Do you want me to explain carbon dating to you again, also? I like how you said "just because of carbon dating", too, as if a verifiable mathematical equation and its result, which is about the only thing in this world that can be 100% certain, is somehow less credible or reasonable than the 2000 year old scribblings of a bunch of worryingly simple and deceitful impersonators who had zero scientific understanding of the natural world.
Faith really can do amazingly scary things

Bra, its not that he does not understand, which just for the record he clearly doesn't. he just doesn't want to learn, he thinks the only reason we think the earth is this old is because of carbon dating, and even though you and me and know that's not true he doesn't want to learn why its untrue. he doesn't want to look at his entire life and realize he has been brainwashed and his beliefs are wrong. that amount of change in his life would cause such a dramatic impact, so much that he already has no grip in reality or his belief in scientific fact. That I've given up months ago trying to explain it to him, he clearly doesn't want to learn.

las.Not entirely true, fortunately! It can be, and is, witnessable.
Take the way certain bacteria are currently mutating at immense rates to become extremely resilient, and in some cases immune, to antibiotics. The golden age of antibiotics is coming to a close (mainly due to misuse and abuse of antibiotics), and we can directly observe why. This is a perfect illustration of an evolutionary change/adaption.
For a more hands-on and specific example, look at the change in the beak size of the Medium Ground Finch of the Galapagos Islands. In 1977 a severe drought reduced the supply of seeds in the Galapagos. This Finch, which normally preferred small soft seeds, was forced to turn to larger and harder seeds. As a result, only big-beaked individuals got adequate food. Those finches with smaller beaks either starved or were too malnourished to reproduce. By the next generation, the Finch's body mass had noticeably grown, and the size of their beaks had increased, on average, by 10 percent. Another brilliant display of evolutionary change.
There are many other examples, too.

True, you're right. I was just thinking more in terms of humans. But yeah environmental changes will definitely speed up the rate of evolution.

Magick is manipulating reality with our consciousness alone, as opposed to physical manipulation. For example, telepathy is magick where communication with vocal, audible words is not. Telekinesis is magick where pushing an object with your hands is not. Elemental wind magick is magick where creating a small current by blowing into the air is not.

But how does it work? Many people try, few succeed, and most don't even believe in magick anymore. Some people try to use runes, sigils, talismans, amulets, crystals, and other tools. Some people try to use their desires and hopes. Some try to contact gods, angels, and daemons to get help. But what it really all comes down to is consciousness. Why are runes, sigils, talismans, and amulets powerful? Because they are imbued with power by a person's will. They focus a person's will. But they are not the source of the magick. Crystals are kind of different, but there's a reason they are used for things like meditation and charms rather than more powerful magick.

This leads us to the people who attempt to change reality by focusing on their desires, hoping for things, imagining they already have what they want, and using the 'law of attraction'. This is certainly a step in the right direction, and it does work to some extent, but why is it so limited? Why does it only work sometimes? Because people are still going about it wrong. Do not focus on your desires or hopes. Do not think that envisioning what you want and pretending you already have it is going to magickally make it happen. Those, and the 'law of attraction', are the first step. And they can accomplish small things. But what it really comes down to is will, and will alone. Imagine that you are God and you are about to create the Universe. Do you pray to another god to make it happen? Do you hope for it to happen? Do you desire for it to happen? Do you imagine it has already happened? Do you try to attract it to you? No, not quite any of those. Rather, you WILL it to happen. And with a strong enough will, you can will pretty much anything to happen. That is how the gods do it, that is why they are so powerful. That is what works. So stop focusing on desires, hopes, imagining what you want, and instead WILL it to happen. But be very careful, as this is very effective and could make things happen quicker than you expected or intended, and/or to a further extent than you expected or intended. Use your will to shape your reality, and use your newfound power well. You are used to having to make a physical effort to affect physical reality and to your thoughts having no physical consequences. As you become powerful in magick, realize that your thoughts are now as powerful as your actions so you can't just think things impulsively anymore. You have to think about how your thoughts will affect others, how they will affect you long term, what irreversible things they might do, and what unexpected outcomes they might have, just as you have always had to consider these things before carrying out physical actions.

Many people are unsure of how to start. They think this means they can shoot lighting from their fingertips or throw rocks just by willing it. These things might be possible for someone who is powerful enough, but for a beginner, it is best to focus on guiding events in your favor rather than trying to manipulate physical reality in a more direct way. Pick a situation that affects you and will it to go in your favor. Pick an outcome that you already view as possible and will the Universe to take that path. This will be much easier than other things because you are making something happen that is already possible in your perception and could happen without your influence. When you get good at this and can usually make events go the way you want, then you can move on to things that are more difficult and might seem to be impossible without your influence.

Amulets, talismans, staves, and wands can be useful as a means of focusing/chanelling your power, but ultimately, they are powerful because of YOU. Because of your WILL. Runes can be used as well, and they are good because they are recognized by many people so collective will makes them powerful. Sigils can be used but in my view (I may be wrong) they aren't as powerful or as effective as the other methods I have described. But it can't hurt to use them. If you create your own, that is. Be careful using sigils created by other people. The most powerful sorcerers may have no need for any object, and in truth, no one does, but amulets, talismans, and other tools can still be useful.

As for crystals, you can use them sort of like luck charms, and yes, they can offer some protection, they can make you dream, they can help you unlock your abilities. But don't think that they are the key, they are just one thing that can be useful in some situations.

Many people also choose to include rituals in their magick. Rituals work the same way as amulets, talismans, staves, runes, and other objects and symbols. They work because those partaking in the rituals believe they will work, will them to work, and focus their conscious energy, intent, and will into the rituals. They are a means of focusing will. This can be helpful, however, it is important to consider what other implications a ritual could have. If you use crystals, salt, chanting, and meditating, no harm will come from that. However, some practitioners of black magick choose to also involve ritual sacrifice. This is a very harmful thing to incorporate into your magick, for others and for yourself. If you take innocent life for the furtherence of your magick, your magick will be based in meaningless killing and meaningless suffering and will do you far more harm than good. That doesn't mean that there is never a place for black magick, nor does it mean that you cannot use magick to harm your enemies. It simply means that if you desire to harm your enemy, harming other life will not bring you closer to your goal of harming your enemy; instead, it will harm you, because it is you that carried out the destruction of life, not your enemy.



In discussions regarding magick, one of the most common things to come up is questions about how to make someone love you, how to make someone want to be with you, love magick, and binding spells. This is a very important subject because there is a very fine line between benevolent love magick and binding spells, which are perhaps the most immoral type of black magick that exists.

If there is mutual love and connection between you and another person, it is perfectly acceptable to focus on that love and connection and to amplify it. You can use this to strengthen relationships, to bring you and those close to you together, to restore love. You are not forcing someone to love you; rather, you are taking the love they already hold for you, and amplifying it, while at the same time focusing on your love for them.

Some people, however, attempt to control those they claim to love through binding spells. Binding spells are not actually love magick. They use attachment, not love and existing connections. They make the victim a slave to your will. They do not make the victim truly love you, and what you may at first perceive as love is instead attachment. This will not get you the love you seek. This will not be in the best interest of you or the other person. This is a violation of free will. Such black magick should only be given even the slightest of consideration in being used against enemies, not against those you love.

zzzskizzzBra, its not that he does not understand, which just for the record he clearly doesn't. he just doesn't want to learn, he thinks the only reason we think the earth is this old is because of carbon dating, and even though you and me and know that's not true he doesn't want to learn why its untrue. he doesn't want to look at his entire life and realize he has been brainwashed and his beliefs are wrong. that amount of change in his life would cause such a dramatic impact, so much that he already has no grip in reality or his belief in scientific fact. That I've given up months ago trying to explain it to him, he clearly doesn't want to learn.

If we were in person and you wanted to explain it to me I would be open to listen.

I worship mountains and snow and winter.

milk_manIf we were in person and you wanted to explain it to me I would be open to listen.

I have the internet should be no different.

CliffyByroI'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/755477/Every-Sperm-is-Sacred---Monty-Python--39-s-The-Meaning-of-Life

do you still have to buy indulgences?

zzzskizzzBra, its not that he does not understand, which just for the record he clearly doesn't. he just doesn't want to learn, he thinks the only reason we think the earth is this old is because of carbon dating, and even though you and me and know that's not true he doesn't want to learn why its untrue. he doesn't want to look at his entire life and realize he has been brainwashed and his beliefs are wrong. that amount of change in his life would cause such a dramatic impact, so much that he already has no grip in reality or his belief in scientific fact. That I've given up months ago trying to explain it to him, he clearly doesn't want to learn.

so what, he's no different from you then lol. unless you legitimately don't actually understand the ramifications that come with witness testimony in our society. I'm starting to wonder, do you even know that often the only reason a police officer can legally make an arrest is because of his/her witness testimony? how can a girl file a rape charge? how do you prove consent?
you are the epitome of someone who doesn't want to learn, you straight up say, "I will ignore you" when you are too frightened to answer questions. why try to belittle him if you act with almost identical behavior lol?

Food_Stampsso what, he's no different from you then lol. unless you legitimately don't actually understand the ramifications that come with witness testimony in our society. I'm starting to wonder, do you even know that often the only reason a police officer can legally make an arrest is because of his/her witness testimony? how can a girl file a rape charge? how do you prove consent?
you are the epitome of someone who doesn't want to learn, you straight up say, "I will ignore you" when you are too frightened to answer questions. why try to belittle him if you act with almost identical behavior lol?

I did answer your question 3 times in this thread and for some reason you keep coming back to it. I never said I don't accept witness testimony as proof I stated every case is different and in some cases it should and other cases it shouldn't. I also realize now you're a troll, so I'm just going to ignore you from now on.