J Skis X Wu Tang Ski.

one of the skis should be all about the old dirty bastard

They are gunna be sooooooo hype but still cool

jacklong27one of the skis should be all about the old dirty bastard

ODB!!!!! niggah

He should charge more? I think $600 is enough for skis, especially ones that aren't top of the line.

He should charge more? I think $600 is enough for skis, especially ones that aren't top of the line.

I don't get it.

flyhigh141He should charge more? I think $600 is enough for skis, especially ones that aren't top of the line.

I said he could charge more. You know supply and demand...

flyhigh141He should charge more? I think $600 is enough for skis, especially ones that aren't top of the line.

J-Skis use 2.5x2.5 edges, 1.8mm 4001 sintered bases, full sidewall and are hand made in north america. Interested to see what you think makes them 'not top of the line?'.

flyhigh141He should charge more? I think $600 is enough for skis, especially ones that aren't top of the line.

I bet your butthole has an echo... $600 is a fucking STEAL for a pair of J skis. No idea where you shop or what skis you buy but you should probably look into the alternatives before you start spouting off about how they aren't that good. There are very few if any alternatives made as well for that price. I'm not aware of any!

lol some hand made ski companies are just as much as the factory produced skis....

crustedbafoonThey are gunna be sooooooo hype but still cool

this. people are gonna go off about them for a while. i still think they are sick but kids will hype them up way too much.

_J.T.lol some hand made ski companies are just as much as the factory produced skis....

No shit Sherlock! Why wouldn't they be? Technically indies should be double or triple the cost of the mass-stamped skis pushed out in 10k+ batches. The fact that they're about the same price simply means that if you buy mass produced you're taking a big fat 'ol retail/marketing dick right up the ass. By paying $800+ for a pair of skis pressed in fucking China with smaller edges, crap base material and whatever the minimum industry material standards/norms will let them get away with for ~$40 you are literally saying "No, I don't want more for the same amount or maybe even less money, just give me whatever you've got from that company my dad has heard of before that has a cool graphic, I'd like to pay for their next glossy ad in Skier Mag or something rather than get more in the product I'm actually buying"


Indie skis generally get the best of the best in terms of materials and processes, are assembled by those who seriously give a massive amount of fucks about them and are sold at a fraction of what the craftsmanship would otherwise dictate in order to be competitively priced. Hell, my last pair of indies had a completely custom topsheet design, custom flex and layup, and even a custom base color- all for several hundred less than I would have paid if I went retail shopping for a similar mass produced hybrid layup ski.


You don't have to buy indie, but I'd have to wonder long and hard as to why the fuck someone would pay the same amount for a vastly inferior ski that was made for "whoever" instead of literally tailoring the ski to yourself like a fine suit or just buying something like a J Ski because it's made from the best of the best. That's not to say a K2 or an Atomic won't ski properly, I'm just saying that you're buying a stamped product with minimal materials that's designed to maximize profit and minimize expense for the same money and that's fucking stupid. Walmart skis are for Walmart skiers. Don't be a Walmart skier.

Huck_NorrisNo shit Sherlock! Why wouldn't they be? Technically indies should be double or triple the cost of the mass-stamped skis pushed out in 10k+ batches. The fact that they're about the same price simply means that if you buy mass produced you're taking a big fat 'ol retail/marketing dick right up the ass. By paying $800+ for a pair of skis pressed in fucking China with smaller edges, crap base material and whatever the minimum industry material standards/norms will let them get away with for ~$40 you are literally saying "No, I don't want more for the same amount or maybe even less money, just give me whatever you've got from that company my dad has heard of before that has a cool graphic, I'd like to pay for their next glossy ad in Skier Mag or something rather than get more in the product I'm actually buying"


Indie skis generally get the best of the best in terms of materials and processes, are assembled by those who seriously give a massive amount of fucks about them and are sold at a fraction of what the craftsmanship would otherwise dictate in order to be competitively priced. Hell, my last pair of indies had a completely custom topsheet design, custom flex and layup, and even a custom base color- all for several hundred less than I would have paid if I went retail shopping for a similar mass produced hybrid layup ski.


You don't have to buy indie, but I'd have to wonder long and hard as to why the fuck someone would pay the same amount for a vastly inferior ski that was made for "whoever" instead of literally tailoring the ski to yourself like a fine suit or just buying something like a J Ski because it's made from the best of the best. That's not to say a K2 or an Atomic won't ski properly, I'm just saying that you're buying a stamped product with minimal materials that's designed to maximize profit and minimize expense for the same money and that's fucking stupid. Walmart skis are for Walmart skiers. Don't be a Walmart skier.

I think this is very interesting huck. I see it a bit from the other side. I got some on3p this year and I love them but when I look at them I wonder just how good they could be built in a big factory an had some more r and d money thrown at them. The build is good but not really equal quality that is coming out of the big European factories. I woul also love to see a ski like the jmo use 50-50 sidewall/cap to help keep the swim weight down but that is not the sort of thing smaller shops can do yet. I agree they are producing really nice skis with great materials for te cost but what they are not doing really is inavating. The big guys are still the ones researching and coming up with new ideas with slowly get passed down to the indie brands as the technology becomes more accessible.

Overall i I would not want to see either big brands or indie disappear as I feel there is a real need and want for both in the industry.

tomPietrowskiI look at them I wonder just how good they could be built in a big factory an had some more r and d money thrown at them. The build is good but not really equal quality that is coming out of the big European factories.

say whhaaaatttttttt

Aomamesay whhaaaatttttttt

Imagine a jmo with caped tip an tails and sidewall underfoot with a nice smooth transition. It would inprove that ski a lot in terms of swing weight. Tht is just one area which could be inproved. I'm no saying they are not well built but perhaps not as good as a big euro factory could do.

tomPietrowskiImagine a jmo with caped tip an tails and sidewall underfoot with a nice smooth transition. It would inprove that ski a lot in terms of swing weight. Tht is just one area which could be inproved. I'm no saying they are not well built but perhaps not as good as a big euro factory could do.

Honestly I've never had an issue with the swing weight of an indie. In fact, the vast majority of feathery sticks I've floated through birch groves were indies. If they're built heavier, it's for a specific reason- Moment M1s aren't going to be built like Praxis Hybrid BCs. Hell, I got rid of my BG tours because they were TOO LIGHT. Also I hate to say it but swing weight means NOTHING if you're skiing stacked and driving the tips on any ski. I don't generally like cap skis either. Give me stinky sidewalls and fatty bases and edges- and when the big guys start paying it forward and not using the cheapest shit they can get away with I'll give them more credit because yes they are a *decent* product- but for me? I feel like mass produced skis are built to make the company the max amount of money possible and put the least amount into it they can get away with and I'm not down with that in any case.


Fwiw though, yes the Euros have excellent QC.


As for shape innovation, I disagree but whatever. I don't have time to get all wiki on it nor does it truly matter. That's why there's more than one kind of ice cream tho- they've got a flavor for everybody.

Huck_NorrisHonestly I've never had an issue with the swing weight of an indie. In fact, the vast majority of feathery sticks I've floated through birch groves were indies. If they're built heavier, it's for a specific reason- Moment M1s aren't going to be built like Praxis Hybrid BCs. Hell, I got rid of my BG tours because they were TOO LIGHT. Also I hate to say it but swing weight means NOTHING if you're skiing stacked and driving the tips on any ski. I don't generally like cap skis either. Give me stinky sidewalls and fatty bases and edges- and when the big guys start paying it forward and not using the cheapest shit they can get away with I'll give them more credit because yes they are a *decent* product- but for me? I feel like mass produced skis are built to make the company the max amount of money possible and put the least amount into it they can get away with and I'm not down with that in any case.


Fwiw though, yes the Euros have excellent QC.


As for shape innovation, I disagree but whatever. I don't have time to get all wiki on it nor does it truly matter. That's why there's more than one kind of ice cream tho- they've got a flavor for everybody.

I get your points for sure man. And as for capped tip an tail it really will be more the park guys it would benefit. Throwing a big ski round in te park is fun but you want the ski to be light if possible. It would also help wit durability. I have had one slight delay in the tip which prob would not have happened if they were cap.

One last sat point I want to make. Don't presume all the big brands use crap materials. Remember they can buy in bulk so they can get good prices on materials. Look at atomics bases. They use a ptex 7000 base on most of there skis. I don't know any indie brand using anything close to that standard of base.

but yeah let's agree there are room for both.