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.lencon
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Getting new skis next year. Some companies say 175cm but are actually 180 cm some are the opposite. Basically I just wanna know what companies sizes are actually smaller or bigger?
Jun 21 2014 3:54PM
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tomPietrowski
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It won't just depend brand to brand but also ski to ski from one brand. So you can't just say brand "x" run long or brand "y" run short. Best way is to go to your local shop and actually compare skis. Obviously the best way is to demo as well because seeing a size of a ski is one thing but you need to ski it to really know what size it will ski.
Jun 21 2014 3:58PM
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.lencon
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tomPietrowskiIt won't just depend brand to brand but also ski to ski from one brand. So you can't just say brand "x" run long or brand "y" run short. Best way is to go to your local shop and actually compare skis. Obviously the best way is to demo as well because seeing a size of a ski is one thing but you need to ski it to really know what size it will ski.


Yeah I understand that and demo is a great way but where I live demos aren't really available..just wondering what people have experienced
Jun 21 2014 4:00PM
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tomPietrowski
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We'll it's like I say it will depend ski to ski as well. The ideal size you should ski will be determined by the build if the ski more then anything. Does it have a ton of rocker, does it have a metal laminate ect these factors will be a bigger factor in determining the size you want. Just saying salomon for example run 1.5cm bigger then an atomic in a 181 size really is not useful because unless you know the build and size of every ski you will not get good answeres. For example that same salomon and armada will only be 1cm different in a 176 and less as you go smaller. So there just are no hard and fast rules.
Jun 21 2014 4:04PM
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youngspicoli
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you do realize that 5cm in little over 1.8in right! but that inch and a half can make a huge difference
Jun 21 2014 11:27PM
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.lencon
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cjakillayou do realize that 5cm in little over 1.8in right! but that inch and a half can make a huge difference


Yeah I realize that..but some companies have a 176cm and a 181cm I'm the same model but the 176cm ends up being closer to the 181vm
Jun 22 2014 10:16AM
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Twig
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This is a pretty useless thread unless you specify which skis you are looking at. There are thousands of ski models out there and since within a brand there is variation in how long/short skis run. You are very unlikely to get a relevant answer.
For example: Line Sir Francis Bacons run short, but Traveling Circus run long.
Jun 22 2014 1:12PM
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.lencon
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TwigThis is a pretty useless thread unless you specify which skis you are looking at. There are thousands of ski models out there and since within a brand there is variation in how long/short skis run. You are very unlikely to get a relevant answer.
For example: Line Sir Francis Bacons run short, but Traveling Circus run long.


Yeah I understand that..I was too broad in my thread...really I'm looking at 4frnt YLE and ON3P jmos.
Jun 23 2014 8:41PM
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Mingg
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Grizzly.ButtahBasically I just wanna know what companies sizes are actually smaller or bigger?


They aren't necessarily bigger or smaller. It's just the way the camber/ rocker makes them feel, right?

My understanding of it was a 180cm ski is 180cm. The rocker/ camber just made them ride/ feel slightly shorter. I'm interested to know how that actually works cause I'm probably wrong haha
Jun 23 2014 8:50PM
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Jun 23 2014 8:54PM
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Jun 23 2014 8:54PM
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.lencon
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MinggThey aren't necessarily bigger or smaller. It's just the way the camber/ rocker makes them feel, right?

My understanding of it was a 180cm ski is 180cm. The rocker/ camber just made them ride/ feel slightly shorter. I'm interested to know how that actually works cause I'm probably wrong haha


Yeah but some skis are measured at let's say 170cm..but then I take my measuring tape and measure my skis and it comes out to be 176cm..you get what I'm saying?
Jun 23 2014 9:44PM
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Twig
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Grizzly.ButtahYeah I understand that..I was too broad in my thread...really I'm looking at 4frnt YLE and ON3P jmos.


I believe ON3P run exactly to size - so a 176 is 176cm tip to tail with a straight tape. Can't tell you about 4frnt though, sorry.
Jun 24 2014 7:57AM
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.lencon
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TwigI believe ON3P run exactly to size - so a 176 is 176cm tip to tail with a straight tape. Can't tell you about 4frnt though, sorry.


Alright thanks man!
Jun 24 2014 11:57AM
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tomPietrowski
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But remember that most other brands that call a ski 176 will use a slightly smaller measurement generally then on3p so if you are comparing sizes in a shop the on3p will be slightly bigger then other 176 skis
Jun 24 2014 1:08PM
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.lencon
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tomPietrowskiBut remember that most other brands that call a ski 176 will use a slightly smaller measurement generally then on3p so if you are comparing sizes in a shop the on3p will be slightly bigger then other 176 skis


That's true as well..basically I want personal stories of people measuring their skis
Jun 24 2014 3:57PM
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billtro11
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K2 used to press their freeride skis real long but they have since stopped.

Used to have an old pair of 189 Hellbents that were about 194's.


The other commentors are right. Some skis ski long, some ski short.


DEMO YO
Jun 25 2014 4:19PM
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BWalmer
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Grizzly.ButtahYeah I understand that..I was too broad in my thread...really I'm looking at 4frnt YLE and ON3P jmos.


ON3P is easy, take a tape measure, drop it to the floor, that's the length of the ski...so for example, if you're looking at a 176 Jmo, measure out 176cms and that'll be the length of the ski.

Not sure about 4frnt, but most companies do a running length of the ski (tape measure goes through the curves of the ski tip to tail), making the ski actually shorter than the measurement so I'd guess that's how 4frnt measures.
Jun 25 2014 4:28PM
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ModMommy
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OP, I just went out and measures my 4FRNTS and found them to be true to size. What's important about ski lengths is knowing wether it's cambered or rockered. If the ski lays flatter, then it's length will be perceived longer than a rockered ski of the same length. Go to your local shop and check out the differences in each build.
Jun 25 2014 4:35PM
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ModMommy
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Note, it is a running length of the ski, not how ON3P is measured.
Jun 25 2014 4:36PM
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.lencon
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immasNote, it is a running length of the ski, not how ON3P is measured.


Yeah that's true..I hope I didn't sound like a idiot haha..I was just wandering if some skis were like a lot bigger than said..
Jun 25 2014 6:30PM
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ModMommy
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Grizzly.ButtahYeah that's true..I hope I didn't sound like a idiot haha..I was just wandering if some skis were like a lot bigger than said..


No it's okay! You may get differences in length vs "actual length" depending on how it's measured. Totally an understandable question.
Jun 25 2014 7:20PM
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.lencon
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immasNo it's okay! You may get differences in length vs "actual length" depending on how it's measured. Totally an understandable question.


Alright thanks k+++
Jun 25 2014 8:50PM
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toastyteenagers
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although head skis are mostly all mountain dad skis...

head ad is a fucking massive corperation, second biggest sporting goods company behind wilson.
Jul 5 2014 9:33AM
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