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English Premier League 2014-2015

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.MASSHOLE.
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Figure with the transfer window opening soon it was time to start a new thread.



Will Manchester City win the title again?
Can Liverpool retain Suarez? Will he be the same after knee surgery?
Will Manchester United make it back into the top 4?
Will Tottenham ever live up to expectations?
Will Mourinho last the season?

To start it off, David Luiz has signed for PSG for 50 million pounds.
May 23 2014 8:15PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Di Maria misses, Giroud doesn't. Game on
Nov 22 2014 2:22PM
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bakedpow
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so when arsenal dominates they loose, and when they play piss poorly they win? yay being an arsenal fan
Nov 22 2014 2:27PM
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Chunter
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Undeserved win for Man U in my opinion. Arsenal seemingly dominated the game then as their typical luck, Wilshere goes down and Szczesny/Gibbs makes a critical mistake to give United the lead out of thin air. At least Giroud had a nice strike.
Nov 22 2014 2:28PM
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fujarome
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shibbyyou guys are so full of shit pretending you watch every single euro league, youre all from usa which gets mostly epl coverage


you don't have to watch every game to know. watch highlights, reviews, or if desperate enough even just YouTube clips.

arsenal are the single most frustrating team in the world. there's just something about united that breaks them mentally. I'm quickly getting tired of wilshere. he's got a good energy level but he makes too many stupid decisions and can't make his chances count. had he buried that chance early on, they could have built off that momentum. instead they died down
Nov 22 2014 2:55PM
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bakedpow
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ChunterAt least Giroud had a nice strike.


and he was the sexiest guy out there
Nov 22 2014 2:55PM
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Twig
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Man Utd may not have deserved to win but Arsenal pretty much deserved to lose. We dominated but failed to score until deep in to stoppage time, not through bad luck but through poor quality.
Nov 22 2014 2:56PM
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bakedpow
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outside of sanchez we dont have that quality of a player like costa, di maria etc who can finish clinically (even though he blew his opportunity late). if giroud and welbeck can feed off each other and push each other maybe we will get more goals out of them
Nov 22 2014 2:59PM
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Bogs
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shibbyok crystal palace is 17th just outside of the relegation zone. i would love to see whatever fuckoff team in spain in the same positinn go there and win. no chance.


This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that people in America assume English teams are stronger than their continental counterparts just because they have heard of them and can name a few players on the team.

shibbyyou guys are so full of shit pretending you watch every single euro league, youre all from usa which gets mostly epl coverage. top to bottom it's the best league in the world. MAYBE la liga has a claim because they have solid 1-8 clubs but all you almeria and granada supporters would know know better than i do.


I don't pretend I watch every Euro league. Today I watched United vs. Arsenal, Barca vs Sevilla, and Juve vs. Lazio. Of all those games, United vs. Arsenal was probably the lowest in quality. I mostly watch La Liga, epl, Bundesliga, and Serie A. Occasionally I'll watch a Ligue 1 game, but I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert on it.

Again, I would argue that you and many others think the EPL is the best in the world because you're from the USA which gets mostly epl coverage, and so because you don't know as much about other leagues, you make the assumption that they are worse. I will cite your quote of Crystal Palace vs. "whatever fuckoff team in spain in the same positinn" as an example of what I mean; you have no idea who is in 17th in Spain, so you assume they must suck, but you do know who Crystal Palace is, so you assume they must be good. The reality is that you've only heard of Crystal Palace and not Almeria because you live in America, which, as you pointed out, gets way more coverage of the epl than any other league, meaning, obviously, that you are way more likely to hear about the bottom of the table EPL teams than bottom of the table La Liga teams. You say you don't know much about La Liga, yet you seem quite sure that the teams in La Liga are, on the whole, worse than teams in the EPL, which I find curious because how can you have any idea how good teams in La Liga are if you never watch them play?
Nov 22 2014 7:14PM
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Laurent.
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It doesn't really matter which league is supposedly better, it really fucking doesn't.
Nov 23 2014 4:05AM
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*DUMBCAN*
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Dr.LaurentIt doesn't really matter which league is supposedly better, it really fucking doesn't.


Exactly.


I am however 100% for a European Super League in which the biggest teams play as their main league. I don't know how it would work (specifics don't matter about something that's never gonna happen) but damn the quality could be so high.
Nov 23 2014 6:08AM
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Bogs
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Dr.LaurentIt doesn't really matter which league is supposedly better, it really fucking doesn't.


I agree, but it's also ridiculous to only watch one league and then say, because you only watch that league and only know the teams and players in that league, that therefore it must be better than every other league in the world, which is the way that a lot of epl fans seem to think.
Nov 23 2014 9:56AM
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Laurent.
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It doesn't bloody matter.

Let's all just be civil, comfy and watch some A-league bloopers.

http://youtu.be/DruMnLAQPmM
Nov 23 2014 11:15AM
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Kekambas.
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WattsPoint is, I would guess at least 80% of people who who actually watch a decent amount of non-epl soccer and aren't epl biased and actually have a respectable knowledge of the game would agree that the smaller name players outside of England are better than those who play in England. It's not an outlandish claim at all.


tom.chCouldn't be more outlandish. The small teams in England are better than most continental small teams. It's got nothing to do with individual players making a big name in a different country. There are numerous other influences like age, manager, their personal comfort, etc.

Also, don't start that jibber-jabber about respectable knowledge of the game. That only highlights your ignorance.


TheSteezyKoalaYet these "Small" epl teams fail to perform in the Europa League whereas their spanish, German, Italian and French counterparts all outperform them. The EPL is way overrated. I would say it has the strongest midtable, arguably, but the small teams are much worse than the Spanish and German small teams.


shibbyok crystal palace is 17th just outside of the relegation zone. i would love to see whatever fuckoff team in spain in the same positinn go there and win. no chance.


fujaromeyour knowledge of the premier league is getting in the way again, based on the fact that you don't even know who's in a similar position in any of the other leagues. Just because you don't know the teams offhand doesn't mean they aren't good. It just means you don't watch them.

i'd say a lot of lower table continental teams could go to crystal palace or wherever and win. it's not like the English 17th is the equivalent of 2nd in every other league.




YOU AINT GOT THE ANSWERS NEWSCHOOLERS!
Nov 23 2014 12:16PM
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fujarome
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I swear I watched this exact Tottenham match just a few weeks ago.
Nov 23 2014 12:47PM
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PacificRimJob
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*DUMBCAN*I am however 100% for a European Super League in which the biggest teams play as their main league. I don't know how it would work (specifics don't matter about something that's never gonna happen) but damn the quality could be so high.


Fuck that... It would take away the individual cultures of each domestic league. That'a fucking horrible idea.

The Champions League is an adequate representation of this quality, anyway.
Nov 23 2014 3:54PM
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hellomynameisjef
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fujaromeI swear I watched this exact Tottenham match just a few weeks ago.


little more legit red card in this one at least...

KANEALDO saves the day again (and eriksen)
Nov 24 2014 12:56AM
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PowPirate
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interesting article looking into if the amount of foreign players in the epl are damaging the league

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/z9wjq6f

im not sure if its damaging the league but it is damaging the english national team and has been for many years.
Nov 25 2014 12:16AM
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quaive
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PowPirateinteresting article looking into if the amount of foreign players in the epl are damaging the league

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/z9wjq6f

im not sure if its damaging the league but it is damaging the english national team and has been for many years.
Here is what I think, assuming that 'foreign' implies a skillful, international player.

Big clubs with money will buy player(s) they believe will benefit the club's performance/attitude/reputation. Personally, I think foreign players add a certain finesse to the game, combining culture and style of play to add an element of excitement to the league and club.

From an entertainment standpoint, foreign players improve the club and league alike. The Barclay's Premier League is a business, as are the other domestic leagues, and clubs will do what they need to in order to please their fan base and generate revenues. If top-class foreign talent will improve attendance and performance, [rich] clubs are usually willing to shell out insanely large sums of $$$$.

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There is a larger domestic presence in La Liga (~65%) than in the BPL, which according to BBC, should improve their performance on an International scale. Looking at the past year, there is definitely not a strong correlation between Spain's league performance (All Spanish CL final last year/Sevilla winning the Europa League) and that of their national team (poor performances at the WC/International Friendlies/Euro qualifiers).

Much like Spain, comparing England's domestic league and national team are two very different things. English clubs lack the ability to consistently perform well on the international stage, as does their national team, so what does this have to say about England's football program? Hopefully the younger generation can bring them success, assuming they learn how to play together.
Nov 25 2014 3:01AM
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Bogs
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quaiveThere is a larger domestic presence in La Liga (~65%) than in the BPL, which according to BBC, should improve their performance on an International scale. Looking at the past year, there is definitely not a strong correlation between Spain's league performance (All Spanish CL final last year/Sevilla winning the Europa League) and that of their national team (poor performances at the WC/International Friendlies/Euro qualifiers).


Clearly you just started watching soccer in late August, so I'll fill you in a little bit: before this summer, Spain had won the last three major international tournaments (Euro 2008, World Cup 2010, Euro 2012. You may ask how those are the last three major international tournaments, it's because the World Cup and major continental tournaments are only played once every four years), and last summer during World Cup 2014, Germany, which was mentioned in the article as having a larger number of homegrown players in Germany's domestic league (the Bundesliga) than England, won the tournament. It's not your fault you don't know this since you've only been watching soccer for four months, but there is a strong correlation between the domestic presence a league has and how well that country's international team does.

The real problem with England's national team is that, despite loving soccer and caring a lot about it, the English seem to understand nothing or next to nothing about the game, from the casual epl fan all the way to the top coaches in the epl, and England's manager. Nobody in England seems to know that the reason England sucks is that young boys in the country are taught that being big and strong is much more important than having a good touch on the ball and a good understanding of a game: they still believe that the heart wins championships, not the mind. Exhibit A: England's performance this summer. This summer, England played their best soccer in the last decade, they actually tried passing the ball a little, were able to create some good chances, and did more than put nine guys behind the ball at all times and one tall guy up front for them to kick it to, yet English fans and the media claim that, because they actually had a tough group and couldn't get out of it, this was the worst English team yet. They seem to have no idea how much better their team looked when compared to teams they've had in the past ten years, and truly believe that England's performance against Italy in Euro 2012, where their strategy was to just defend deep the entire game and hope to god they made it to penalties and looked truly pathetic while doing it, was better than in WC 2014, where they were unlucky not to get points from the game. The ignorance of the English is truly baffling when considering how much they claim to care about soccer.
Nov 25 2014 10:10AM
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*DUMBCAN*
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WattsClearly you just started watching soccer in late August, so I'll fill you in a little bit: before this summer, Spain had won the last three major international tournaments (Euro 2008, World Cup 2010, Euro 2012. You may ask how those are the last three major international tournaments, it's because the World Cup and major continental tournaments are only played once every four years), and last summer during World Cup 2014, Germany, which was mentioned in the article as having a larger number of homegrown players in Germany's domestic league (the Bundesliga) than England, won the tournament. It's not your fault you don't know this since you've only been watching soccer for four months, but there is a strong correlation between the domestic presence a league has and how well that country's international team does.

The real problem with England's national team is that, despite loving soccer and caring a lot about it, the English seem to understand nothing or next to nothing about the game, from the casual epl fan all the way to the top coaches in the epl, and England's manager. Nobody in England seems to know that the reason England sucks is that young boys in the country are taught that being big and strong is much more important than having a good touch on the ball and a good understanding of a game: they still believe that the heart wins championships, not the mind. Exhibit A: England's performance this summer. This summer, England played their best soccer in the last decade, they actually tried passing the ball a little, were able to create some good chances, and did more than put nine guys behind the ball at all times and one tall guy up front for them to kick it to, yet English fans and the media claim that, because they actually had a tough group and couldn't get out of it, this was the worst English team yet. They seem to have no idea how much better their team looked when compared to teams they've had in the past ten years, and truly believe that England's performance against Italy in Euro 2012, where their strategy was to just defend deep the entire game and hope to god they made it to penalties and looked truly pathetic while doing it, was better than in WC 2014, where they were unlucky not to get points from the game. The ignorance of the English is truly baffling when considering how much they claim to care about soccer.


dude..... stop caring so much.

Actually, all of you in this stupid argument please just stop. You're ruining this thread.
Nov 25 2014 11:42AM
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Laurent.
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A part of every pub's furniture is an old man, with an enormous wrinkly face dominated by a fat red booze nose. He is always dressed in a faded brown leather jacket, once beige sweater, dirty jeans and muddy boots.

The only thing he drinks are large glasses of dark ale with twigs and leaves in it, the only thing he talks about is football.
Besides having an unmatched encyclopaedic knowledge off every player in existence his favourite topic is criticising any management in any league.
If he was in charge he would have done things differently, but he isn't in charge, since nobody could understand his perceived brilliance.
If you accidentally talk to him, he will not let go, he has you in your grasp, you will endure anekdotes until the pub closes and then pay for his cab ride home to get rid of him.

That person is Watts.
Nov 25 2014 11:54AM
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quaive
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First of all - no need for the condescension. I fully understand how international competition works, but I don't quite understand how you are able to conclude that my knowledge of soccer is limited to the past 3 months? Regardless, I tried to make it pretty clear that everything I said was purely from a subjective standpoint (my own opinion). Also, I am well aware of Spain's international prominence, however, I think the three consecutive titles are somewhat of an anomaly - we shall see how the younger generation of La Roja perform. Del Bosque's strong coaching philosophy and a very talented U21 side will definitely help ease the transition.

If your philosophy about league and international tournament true, and the Bundesliga has the 4th highest percentage of foreign players (49%) ahead of the Seria A (47%), Ligue 1 (41%), and La Liga (35%), Theoretically, the Spanish, French, and Italian national teams should outperform both the German and English.

I think there's more to it than respective domestic league exposure.

p.s. I was trying to invoke some discussion, you don't have to be an ass about it.
Nov 25 2014 12:16PM
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quaive
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lol forgot to quote @watts
Nov 25 2014 12:19PM
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Bogs
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omnidataA part of every pub's furniture is an old man, with an enormous wrinkly face dominated by a fat red booze nose. He is always dressed in a faded brown leather jacket, once beige sweater, dirty jeans and muddy boots.

The only thing he drinks are large glasses of dark ale with twigs and leaves in it, the only thing he talks about is football.
Besides having an unmatched encyclopaedic knowledge off every player in existence his favourite topic is criticising any management in any league.
If he was in charge he would have done things differently, but he isn't in charge, since nobody could understand his perceived brilliance.
If you accidentally talk to him, he will not let go, he has you in your grasp, you will endure anekdotes until the pub closes and then pay for his cab ride home to get rid of him.

That person is Watts.


Haha I actually really liked this. Well done.

quaiveFirst of all - no need for the condescension. I fully understand how international competition works, but I don't quite understand how you are able to conclude that my knowledge of soccer is limited to the past 3 months? Regardless, I tried to make it pretty clear that everything I said was purely from a subjective standpoint (my own opinion). Also, I am well aware of Spain's international prominence, however, I think the three consecutive titles are somewhat of an anomaly - we shall see how the younger generation of La Roja perform. Del Bosque's strong coaching philosophy and a very talented U21 side will definitely help ease the transition.

If your philosophy about league and international tournament true, and the Bundesliga has the 4th highest percentage of foreign players (49%) ahead of the Seria A (47%), Ligue 1 (41%), and La Liga (35%), Theoretically, the Spanish, French, and Italian national teams should outperform both the German and English.

I think there's more to it than respective domestic league exposure.

p.s. I was trying to invoke some discussion, you don't have to be an ass about it.


Maybe the condescension was a little unnecessary, but it was pretty ridiculous to just look at this summer's tournament and conclude that having a high percentage of players from a nation playing in their domestic league doesn't translate to international success considering what Spain has done recently and what Germany did this summer. Of course it's not so cut and dry, and there are many more factors that lead to creating a strong international team than just keeping as many local players in the domestic league as possible, but there does seem to be a correlation between leagues with a high number of players from that country and the strength of that country's international team. If you want to discuss more, I'm happy to do so.

To everyone else: I'll try to stop caring less since, but you also don't have to read what I post, if you don't want to. Personally, I think it's more interesting to have a thread that's more than just one or two posts a week that just list the results of certain games, but maybe everyone else disagrees.
Nov 25 2014 12:46PM
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Kekambas.
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So...was Germany's success due to the fact they're all in the same league, or the fact they're all on the same fucking team?
Nov 25 2014 2:05PM
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Kcin
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Today is the day Man City has their dreams crushed again by piss performances...I can't wait!!
Nov 25 2014 2:22PM
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Laurent.
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Alright remaining Champions league matches for tonight starting in less then 5min.

Schalke vs. Chelsea
APOEL vs. Barcelona
Sporting vs. Maribor
Shakhtar Donetsk vs. Athletic
PSG vs. Ajax
Man. City vs. Bayern

I'll be watching PSG beating Ajax, ;__; , Chelsea will defeat Schalke (cheeky goal from Huntelaar though) Barca will kill APOEL, Sporting will win as will Shaktar, Bayern will be German and efficient unless van Gaal has another master move planned.
Nov 25 2014 2:41PM
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quaive
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@Watts I won't quote for the sake of the thread, but I think you should pay closer attention to what Im saying. I find it somewhat egotistic for the English FA to attribute their poor form to a domestic influx in foreign players, instead of looking at multiple other fundamental factors working in conjunction (poor management, poor player-coach relationship, discouraged player attitudes, etc). The 'conclusions' I made were just observations of inconsistency in BBC's findings, and I think that although there is a correlation, it isn't strong.

@omnidata - I think you mean Pellegrini, not van Gaal. Praying Bayern slap City like they did Roma last month
Nov 25 2014 2:54PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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omnidataBayern will be German and efficient unless van Gaal has another master move planned.


errr Van Gaal is at Utd not city....
Nov 25 2014 3:04PM
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Laurent.
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quaive@omnidata - I think you mean Pellegrini, not van Gaal. Praying Bayern slap City like they did Roma last month


*DUMBCAN*errr Van Gaal is at Utd not city....


The pre-match party started off early with too much alcohol.
Nov 25 2014 3:06PM
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Bogs
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quaiveThe 'conclusions' I made were just observations of inconsistency in BBC's findings, and I think that although there is a correlation, it isn't strong.


Well it sounds like you agree that England's problems run deeper than Sergio Aguero starting for Man City instead of a British guy (speaking of Aguero, his penalty today was quality).

And Messi has now broken his second scoring record this week. He's now the all time leading goal scorer in la liga and the champions league. You know Ronaldo is going to try his hardest to catch him. And Suarez scored! Hopefully this means the rust will start coming off and he can get back to the form he had with Liverpool last year.
Nov 25 2014 3:38PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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Bayern are currently ruining my day. Or maybe I should blame the city defence...

Pellegrini needs to get some defensive partnerships going. The rotations are killing the back.


Also, ITVs studio team is complete shit.
Nov 25 2014 3:42PM
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quaive
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*DUMBCAN*Pellegrini needs to get some defensive partnerships going. The rotations are killing the back.


Seriously need to work on that Mangala/Kompany partnership... I can only imagine how intimidating that would be. If I think too much about City's defense I might shed a tear over Sagna... miss u beb
Nov 25 2014 3:55PM
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Kekambas.
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IBRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Nov 25 2014 4:23PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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AGUUUUUEEEEEERRRROOOOOOO
Nov 25 2014 4:29PM
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quaive
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HBD Xabi Alonso....
Nov 25 2014 4:29PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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*DUMBCAN*AGUUUUUEEEEEERRRROOOOOOO


I REPEAT

AAAAAGGGGGGUUUUUUEEEEEEEERRRRRRROOOOOOOO


I just screamed and my flatmate asked me if I was ok
Nov 25 2014 4:34PM
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Kekambas.
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KcinToday is the day Man City has their dreams crushed again by piss performances...I can't wait!!


orly?
Nov 25 2014 4:36PM
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cobra_commander
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Bayern just coug'd it.
Nov 25 2014 4:37PM
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Bogs
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Wow. Very kind of Bayern to gift City those goals and keep them alive.
Nov 25 2014 4:38PM
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Kekambas.
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lol...come on Liverpool...
Nov 26 2014 2:50PM
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bakedpow
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great to see arsenal win, didnt have high hopes going in to that game. if we can ever get healthy i see them pushing for 4th realistically in league.
Nov 26 2014 6:10PM
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PowPirate
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Bakerpowgreat to see arsenal win, didnt have high hopes going in to that game. if we can ever get healthy i see them pushing for 4th realistically in league.


yeah was a good result for you guys. i was speaking to a friend yesterday and he wasn't holding much hope. its crazy that you lost to man u but you beat dortmund.
Nov 26 2014 6:16PM
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PacificRimJob
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cobra_commandercoug'd it.


I like that I know exactly what you're referring to here haha. Poor WSU...
Nov 27 2014 5:32PM
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bakedpow
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DingoSeanI like that I know exactly what you're referring to here haha. Poor WSU...


haha i didnt even notice that till you quoted it. fuck the cougs anyway
Nov 27 2014 5:33PM
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Peter.
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two rough losses for stoke. playing great for 85 minutes out of the game, but get scored on in the 5 minutes they take a break
Dec 3 2014 3:27PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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Zabaleta just scored a beautiful goal.

City in control in Sunderland. Starting to play quite well now.
Dec 3 2014 4:02PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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All four of City's goals have been absolutely superb. This is a fantastic performance.

I think Sunderland are suffering after the Chelsea match at the weekend.
Dec 3 2014 4:16PM
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fujarome
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love Sanchez. singlehanded saving Arsenal's season.

huge impact made by giroud when he came on too.

credit to Southampton and especially Forster. they're a good side and he played unbelievably tonight
Dec 3 2014 4:42PM
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bakedpow
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no idea how foster saved girouds header, that was remarkable. sanchez is quickly becoming my favorite player for arsenal. not sure what wenger will do with giroud/welbeck/sanchez though. arsenal really needed that win. but still look pretty suspect on the counter. debuchy coming back will help, i could see gibbs playing left, debuchy right and chambers at d mid or center back for the future.
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