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Rossignol fks 140 vs. marker griffon

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Dirtskiing
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Trying to decide on a new binding this year and these are the two that I am trying to decide on, marker griffons and rossignol fks 140. What are the pros and cons of each binding? Any good experience with them and do the fks really help your knees?
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Apr 8 2014 10:21AM
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b-kul
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No experience with either but fks being safer is a myth. What they do have is greater elasticity.
Apr 8 2014 10:43AM
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RubberSoul
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i can't speak for everyone but when i think of the FKS being safer, it is because of the travel, which means fewer pre releases, which means i don't over crank my DINs, which means safer

that's my thought on it at least
Apr 8 2014 11:25AM
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b-kul
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^in that case you would be comparing a properly adjusted binding to an improperly adjusted one
Apr 8 2014 11:33AM
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RubberSoul
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sure, if you wanna frame it that way. i could just as easily state it as "i find myself pre releasing on many bindings, and never have on FKS/turntable pivots."

not to mention that pre releases are dangerous in and of themselves, so when im skiing gnarly no-fall shit, i think it's fair to describe the FKS as safer

my 2 cents
Apr 8 2014 11:38AM
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AJizzle
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Without question I would get fks. I never have liked griffons, have pre-released on them multiple times, and they are a pain in the ass to get into on awkward or steep terrain.
Apr 8 2014 1:34PM
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Crispy.
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Try getting FKS's....
Apr 8 2014 2:30PM
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NMMedia
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I kept breaking the plastic heel plates on markers so I swapped to FKSs and haven't been disappointed. As stated you don't have to over-crank your DINs to stop yourself pre-releasing on gnarly landings which is safer. The only downside to them is if you do eject on a switch landing theres like a 95% chance you're going to bend your brakes. I just bend them back though and they do just fine, I know people tend to complain about that though. But they are a super solid binding that perform very well. I would highly recommend them to you. I haven't had mine more than a season but I know guys that have skied the same ones for years and they still perform well, so they should last a while.
Apr 8 2014 2:49PM
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NMMedia
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Also as was sort of mentioned above in an indirect way they are super easy to get into. Even as a small 145lb guy with the DINs at 9 I can step in them with little to no effort on any grade of hill, or in powder etc. No more stomping down hard on a binding to get the heel to pop up
Apr 8 2014 2:50PM
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Huck_Norris
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If you either

a). Don't know how to adjust bindings yourself

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b). Land switch regularly


Just go griffons. You will be happier in the long run. If you know how to set bindings and don't really land switch much, go FKS.
Apr 8 2014 3:33PM
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AJizzle
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Crispy.Try getting FKS's....


I own fks and have never had any problems getting into them, even on a pow day. The griffons require much, much more pressure to get into and can be a serious pain in the ass.
Apr 8 2014 3:37PM
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charmander
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b-kul^in that case you would be comparing a properly adjusted binding to an improperly adjusted one


nope. a griffon is more likely to dump you out in chunder, thats all their is to it.
Apr 8 2014 6:09PM
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Scotty_Boy
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I really like my griffons and I think they are a great binding. I've never pre-released on them nor have I had any durability issues. I find that on NS whenever we compare griffons/jesters to fks we make the marker bindings sound as if they won't last more than a few runs. But the fact of the matter is, is that both bindings are very durable, but the fks have an edge durability wise (until you eject switch). You honestly will be happy with either binding. And I would go with the one you can find for the better price.
Apr 8 2014 6:28PM
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TheDetectives
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ive had sth driver 16's, marker griffons, and the fks 140's, the drivers were my favourite they have a lot more adjustments so you can really fit it to your boot it makes your skis feel more agile I like mine on wider skis cause of the longer arms that you can fit to your boot really well and it helps make them quicker edge to edge.
Apr 9 2014 10:32AM
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DonNut
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Huck_NorrisIf you know how to set bindings and don't really land switch much, go FKS.


What's the deal with that "don't land switch" thing?
Apr 9 2014 11:07AM
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nutz.
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DonNutWhat's the deal with that "don't land switch" thing?


FKS replacement brakes are a bitch to get a hold of/replace and if you eject/fuck up while landing switch.... well there goes your brake
Apr 9 2014 11:14AM
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tomPietrowski
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Huck_NorrisIf you either

a). Don't know how to adjust bindings yourself

or

b). Land switch regularly


Just go griffons. You will be happier in the long run. If you know how to set bindings and don't really land switch much, go FKS.


Listen to this man. Personally I would say go sth2 over griffon but the rest is spot on.
Apr 9 2014 11:42AM
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snakerton
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I have both. Griffons on hellbents and fks on bibbys.

I havent had any trouble with the griffons. I havent had any problems I hear on this site but I am only 140 lbs. They are a pretty good price point but I wouldn't buy used.

I actually broke on of my fks toe piece. Don't get me wrong, these bindings a bomber, I was just unlucky. I like the feel of them, the elasticity is definitely noticeable and helpful.

I would go with fks on my next skis.
Apr 9 2014 10:59PM
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buzzlightyear
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I have griffons and have crashed landing switch many times so what people are saying about fks brakes bending landing switch I have had the same issue and have had to bend my brake back many times. Maybe i just am unlucky...
Apr 28 2014 11:18PM
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FidelCashflow
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Comparing the FKS to the Griffon is like comparing a Lotus to a Taurus. If you're in the price range of the FKS you should at least look at the Jester or Jester Pro, one of just a few of the royal line with a metal frame. I've seen too many mangled griffons to recommend them to anyone for serious skiing. That being said, I wouldn't go with Marker bindings, under any circumstances. I have FKS on my YLEs and love them. I have Jester Pros on my Rocker 2s, and I have to say I'm not impressed. The Tyrolia Attack 13s on my 1.0s have also shown outstanding performance. I don't have personal experience on the STH12 but I know the toepiece is an industry leader, so that's always a viable option.
Apr 29 2014 12:18AM
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DonNut
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buzzlightyearI have griffons and have crashed landing switch many times so what people are saying about fks brakes bending landing switch I have had the same issue and have had to bend my brake back many times. Maybe i just am unlucky...



You might be a bit unlucky, but that is nothing far from common. Any brakes will bend when landing switch, if you just happen to be in a bad position or if the brakes have already bent a bit to the sides, which often end up in catching the brake in snow either on landing switch or skiing switch on hard on the edge.

The point in the "FKS brake bend"-shit is the fact that FKS/Pivot brakes are a real pain in the ass to replace (although you can find a tutorial in "Official Ski/Binding Maintenance Thread") and Marker on the other hand have brakes that are easier to replace and much cheaper than the ones for the FKS.

I personally love my Pivots over anything, although after 3 years of heavy charging on those fuckers even they eventually gave up: https://vimeo.com/92445705
Apr 29 2014 3:37AM
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mta1741
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FidelCashflowComparing the FKS to the Griffon is like comparing a Lotus to a Taurus. If you're in the price range of the FKS you should at least look at the Jester or Jester Pro, one of just a few of the royal line with a metal frame. I've seen too many mangled griffons to recommend them to anyone for serious skiing. That being said, I wouldn't go with Marker bindings, under any circumstances. I have FKS on my YLEs and love them. I have Jester Pros on my Rocker 2s, and I have to say I'm not impressed. The Tyrolia Attack 13s on my 1.0s have also shown outstanding performance. I don't have personal experience on the STH12 but I know the toepiece is an industry leader, so that's always a viable option.


IF they were the same price, couple years ago griffon schizo bindings new and tyrolia Attack 13 new, which one would you go with? All mountain, definitely gonna go fast/carve and definitely going to be in park.
Aug 30 2014 8:50PM
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