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foolmetwice
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Just a late night rant on the eve of finals to help procrastinate: Last night I watched the movie All I Can on netflix. The skiing and cinematography were amazing. The part on climate change not so much. All the skiers knew nothing about climate change and just said generic rehearsed bullshit that didn't have any meaning. They all talked about how they wished they could do something about climate change and how people should do something about climate change but didn't say that they would do anything or how anything could be acomplished. They completely avoided any kind of personal engagement with the topic. In general they ended up sounding pretty fucking stupid.It just astounds me that the skiing community as a whole can be so disengaged with a problem that will and already is affecting us in such a negative fassion. The hypocrisy that is engraved in our community's nature is astounding. Sure, every once in a while a group of pro's forms an advocacy group that ends up being completely stagnant and having no affect on our community except to generate a little more money for their next cross continental trip to go heliskiing or snowmobiling. A lot of people on newschoolers don't even believe global warming is real. As a whole though our community, just like the rest of society, does nothing more than acknowledge climate change and push it on to next years list of things to care about. Climate change is real. It's impact is profound. Just try to be conscious of your impact on the environment as you go theough your lives. I also wanted to say that I am just as big of a hypocrite as the rest of out pretentious community.
Mar 27 2014 12:25AM
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El_Barto.
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did not read. Al Gore is my homeboy and
Mar 27 2014 12:29AM
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foolmetwice
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Fuck I said astounding twice in a row fuck me
Mar 27 2014 12:30AM
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El_Barto.
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Its cool, nobody will notice because nobody is going to read that piece of shit post
Mar 27 2014 12:33AM
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Rusticles
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Could you give me a quick run down on this "global warming phenomenon?
Mar 27 2014 1:18AM
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Bensun
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I agree and it sad that most people are to comfortable living their lives to go out of their way and create change. (including me)
Mar 27 2014 3:42AM
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backseat.bandit
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Mar 27 2014 4:16AM
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Drail
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Yeah, Newschoolers hasn't talked about this three year old ski video yet. Thank you for brining this video, and it's 'message' to our attention.

But the question remains: What is skiing?
Mar 27 2014 3:13PM
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ANDR01D
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OP rants about pro skiers forming advocacy groups and not actually doing anything about global warming, yet OP does nothing and offers no solutions as to how skiers can help prevent global warming. Good job OP.
Mar 27 2014 3:54PM
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Shredsterr
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This thread already sucks so I figured I'd add to it.



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Mar 27 2014 4:15PM
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MLJ
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Yo, you mean the same global warming that has actually been cooling the world for the last 17 years? You do know that polar ice is up by 50% since 2012, and Global warming itself only happened for around 25 years since the late seventies until the turn of the millenium. Also, before global warming there was a "general scientific consensus" that there was global COOLING, which was happening for a good 30 years before that. All of this suggests that global warming is complete bullshit, it does happen but is 95% natural, and C02 emissions are around 800 years behind temperature rise/fall. Correlation=/=causation.

Boom, come at me brah
Mar 27 2014 6:38PM
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theabortionator
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I thought the movie was great other than the global warming aspect but not for the same reasons. I don't believe my driving to the mountain in a car is melting the snow.

The attention the issues get's is ridiculous. It became the main environmental problem. We can keep dumping sewage into the oceans, littering plastic and other crap, and just living like assholes as long as we buy some carbon offsets when we go to a dave mathews concert.

I love that shit.

Also having al gore as the spokesman for a cause does nothing to legitimize it. Douche is douche.

/I'm done



Mar 27 2014 6:46PM
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MLJ
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I totally agree, I was just pointing out how one of the main backing points for the legitimacy of global warming is that there is a scientific consensus, which was agreed on the exact opposite a few years ago, until the trends changed. Also, if you want to look at a longer scale CO2 amounts in the air 300,000 years ago were 10x higher, while the temperature worldwide was only marginally different.

Also, it is evident that the world goes in a cyclic heating/cooling pattern, even when looking at some of gores speeches and movies you can see this. It kinda annoys me how he "neglects" to mention that temperature change leads carbon dioxide amounts by 800 years which is evident from the graphs he provides if you were to zoom in and analyse the data more closely.

Good point though, I totally agree. I've just been doing some research on the topic recently, and have completely changed my view on the topic.
Mar 28 2014 4:02AM
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gotti
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ops argument: DENIED
Mar 28 2014 9:25AM
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drstuess
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you know little. Physics is causation.
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Mar 28 2014 10:20AM
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Bock
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not sure if you're trolling... or just really stupid
Mar 28 2014 2:08PM
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zeckgx
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The problem is that statics can be manipulated to prove a point.

Remember geology shows us that wyoming used to be under an ocean.
Planet approximately 4,500,000,000 years old
Modern humans approximately 2,000 years old

Live with in your means and don't drink the cool-aid from any political party. Make your own conclusions biased off of your research.

You cannot change anyone's political views except yours.
Mar 28 2014 2:36PM
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casey_cope
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Well it actually kind of is melting the snow. It is real and you can ask any scientist and they will say that. It also has a bigger effect than you think. Its causing our weather to be more extreme and is causing animal habitats to change a lot more than a couple plastic bags. And besides even if all this turns out to be bullshit We will save a shit ton of money if we do something about global warming.
Mar 28 2014 2:44PM
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theabortionator
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Yeah the polar bears are all going to drown. Not like they can't swim 100 miles of open water if needed.

Our planet will be a fucking litter box if we continue to ignore the environment and only channel money into global warming based causes.

Also "a couple plastic bags". From somebody who's arguing that I'm wrong(which I very well could be) you're pretty out of touch with our impact on the environment and how much we've been fucking it up.
Mar 28 2014 2:56PM
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drstuess
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I think you are underestimating the effects; ocean acidification from climate change is one of the biggest problems facing marine ecosystems. While land based ecosystems will be affected, they do have some flexibility to move. Marine ecosystems, especially coral reef systems (and other calcium carbonate things), are extremely vulnerable to climate change. While littering is bad (really bad when regarding large things like sea turtles and albatrosses), global warming has more impact on many species and the potential to be catastrophic for whole ecosystems.

Also, saying you should make your own conclusions is ignorant. Ignoring conclusions from phd's(not the blogs/news and other untrained sources, i am talking peer reviewed stuff) who have spent their whole lives specializing in this and are reviewed by others based on your opinions is equivalent to ignoring your doctor's advice.
Mar 28 2014 5:36PM
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goat00
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curious that nobody has mentioned deforestation. maybe you remember from 2nd grade science, but trees recycle CO2... outside of "save the butterfly habitat" campaigns, people dont really talk about cutting all the fuckin trees down. doesnt it make some rational sense that when you cut down trees at the rate our planet does, it may cause/contribute to warming? everyone is all about reducing the carbon footprint. the carbon is fine, we are just destroying our planets ability to turn it into air for all us air breathers.
Mar 28 2014 6:56PM
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drstuess
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hahaha and your point is? It then took over 2.5 billion more years for the ocean's composition to become favorable(read non acid) enough to support multi-celled algae.
Mar 28 2014 7:46PM
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louie.mirags
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that's the hardest part about sifting through the research that has been done. You can find articles arguing both points. It turns into a political match-up with people siding with their political party. None of us are smart enough or have the means (as far as I know) to do our own research besides read articles and other peoples research.

If our exhaust and actions are really changing the environment at a accelerated pace good luck getting people to comply until it is too late. For godsakes people keep buying bottled water and using plastic bags and that 100% is fucking wasteful.
Mar 28 2014 8:08PM
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drstuess
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Not really, almost the entirety of peer reviewed research is on one side. The debate over the existence is itself merely a construct of the political agenda, not the peer reviewed findings. That is the problem; yes you may find articles that argue both points, however they are inconsistent with the actual science.
Mar 28 2014 8:53PM
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louie.mirags
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well most people have way too much going to check every source of every article. What they mainly see is the political type articles and headlines.
Mar 28 2014 8:57PM
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a_burger
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and everything was dead
Mar 28 2014 9:21PM
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S.J.W
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Bring on the ice age! Urban for days
Mar 29 2014 8:22AM
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Idahoskier420
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Inter-governmental panel on Climate Change

Nongovernmental panel on Climate Change


the government panel concludes that the current rate of CO2 accumulation in the atmosphere will alter the present energy balance of the earth and cause severe damage to the global economy.

The nongovernmental panel argues that current climate models are not accurate enough to support the "catastrophist" views of the IPCC. They also provide sources that state many ecosystems and species may be more resilient to climate change then first thought. They are also funded by the Heartland Institute.

Is there a single right answer?
Mar 29 2014 3:30PM
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louie.mirags
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There is definitely a right answer. This is not an opinion based subject when studies are being done. That's the problem with so much information; you can find like minded people. If you don't like an article arguing your point you can find one with sources arguing the other point. Most of us don't have enough time to find the truth.

The same goes for allowing the government to keep taking more rights from people...The common person doesn't have enough time to get into politics to defend their rights.
Mar 29 2014 3:38PM
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El_Barto.
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You dont know what an acid is
Mar 29 2014 4:23PM
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Miomo
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It's a drug
Mar 29 2014 4:33PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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Firstly, your polar ice stat is actually quoting a DAILY MAIL article where they compared the ice levels in March (end of winter, when ice levels are highest), to the end of summer when they're lowest. Of course they were going to get those results. They were also comparing ice levels regardless of thickness of ice, the total volume is rapidly decreasing because thick ice is melting faster.

Global warming itself has only happened for around 25 years? Smooth the data by an 11 year rolling average and that isn't the case. Check this graph showing it's been around since at least the 1880s, when temperature recording started to become reliable:

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What the graph also shows is the regular repeating pattern in rises/falls of temperature is probably caused by the 'solar cycle', the sun gives off different amounts of radiation in a repeating pattern.

Is global warming natural? Sure you could make the argument that the climate has changed before, so this is like all the other times. Or you could look at it a different way - the climate is extremely sensitive to occurrences on earth. Geological data shows large volcanoes caused significant global warming for example. Knowing that the climate is so sensitive to change only reinforces the idea that significantly increased CO2 levels cause an increase in the global temperature.


Mar 29 2014 4:51PM
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FunkySane
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Why can't people just live good, and think what they do. Don't kill earth. Live sustainably.
Mar 29 2014 5:15PM
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paige.
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Global warming increasing winter precipitation in temperate areas = more snow as long as you go somewhere cold enough
Mar 29 2014 5:45PM
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theabortionator
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I understand the point but it's a ton easier the government and freedom to a decent extent. People just herp derp and then vote though.

Mar 29 2014 5:59PM
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Idahoskier420
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I agree that science is not based on opinion. Our perception of climate change is influenced by everything from our spiritual beliefs to our consumer habits. Opinion clearly plays a huge role in which side of the debate one chooses to defend and consequently what actions we are willing to take towards a solution. Even the consensus among climate scientist is a collective opinion that says the observed increase in global temp is directly related to burning of fossil fuels.
Mar 30 2014 5:40PM
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Blake.P
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haha you are misinterpreting facts so badly. looking at 25 year trends doesnt tell shit, as they are not representations of long term change. keep in mind the earth is 4.6 billion years old, do you really think a 25 year period tells anything about the changing climate? also it is proven that we are coming out of the end of a period of glaciation, where the climate is warming. this can be seen many times throughout earth history and we are perfectly following previous trends.

Also your point about co2 concentrations is complete bs. co2 is a naturally occuring atmospheric gas, however it has been released in significantly higher quantities since the start of world industrialization, which has shown a general trend of raising temperatures (that time frame is over 100 years so it is a better representation of change trends). also co2 isnt the major problem. since the human activity has increased, there has been a huge spike in methane emissions, which are significantly worse than co2 (i dont remember the exact factor, i want to say 10x but that might be off. i wrote a essay about it a few months back so i can find that if you really want to argue). also, methane (CH4) has a residence life of around 10 years, which when it is in the atmosphere reacting with the O2, eventually turns to CO2 and H2O, at which point it continues its harmful effects. when methane is released in the quantities it is now, it warms the atmosphere, slightly raising temperatures, which in turn melts frozen subarctic methane deposits, creating a positive feedback cycle, creating more warming potential in the atmosphere
Mar 30 2014 6:32PM
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cmo
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you sir are extremely ignorant and it makes me sad that people like you still exist
Mar 31 2014 1:48PM
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raull
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I dont really care if the planet heats up a little bit, and neither should any of you. warmer planet = warmer ski days which is way sicker in the park anyway. plus if it warms up enough,than hopefully i wont have to wear my full suit surfing in the winter because it wont really exist anymore.

what im saying here is that the solution to global warming is to embrace it by getting new wamr weather hobbies.
Mar 31 2014 2:50PM
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fruitstick
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I really hope you are trolling or just retarded.

There is overwhelming evidence in support of global warming it not just some theory. If you are a denier of global warming well you should probably present you're evidence to the rest of the world so we can all stop shitting are pants.
Mar 31 2014 4:37PM
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