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Which touring binding to pair with Line Magnum Opus?

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Tsams
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Which touring binding would be good to pair with the 2014-2014 Line Magnum Opus when I would do about 70% to 80% resort skiing and 10%-20% touring in Utah.
Mar 17 2014 1:03PM
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onenerdykid
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The boot you have has more to do with which binding you want/need, rather than which ski you have.

Does your boot have an Alpine Norm, like a traditional alpine boot? Or does it have the metal tech inserts designed for use with a TLT-style binding? Or both? Or an even simpler question- what boot will you be using?
Mar 17 2014 1:21PM
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Goku
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What boot?
Do you want to get new ones if they're not AT compatible?
If it's just a Din boot just get a Marker Duke
Mar 17 2014 1:57PM
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Tsams
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I will be using an Alpine Norm boot. Thanks
Mar 17 2014 2:21PM
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Goku
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Dukes.
I like them better than Guardians/Trackers, the way they release on the fly just makes me so nervous when skiing them.
I feel absolutely locked in on Dukes and have no worries about being in a tourable binding. Plus the EPF is awesome.
Mar 17 2014 2:23PM
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onenerdykid
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They don't do that if you actually click back in. When you are skiing they actually get more secure as the ski bends. The insta-tele rumor was simply that.
Mar 17 2014 2:37PM
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Tsams
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Do you think that setup would be too heavy?
Mar 17 2014 2:53PM
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elm.
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you only need dukes if you're a heavy guy. The Barons are just as good and cheaper
Mar 17 2014 3:05PM
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Goku
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For how soft the Opus is, Yes.
I felt like I powered right through that ski because of it.
If you can go to like a Tecnica Cochise with a swappable AT sole I would recommend doing that. But you probably won't need it if you're doing 75% ish resort skiing.
Mar 17 2014 3:18PM
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Tsams
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So no duke? Or do you think I should go duke?
Mar 19 2014 1:43PM
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.nasty
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truth. the guardian is bomber. the only problems I've ever seen in the shop are the grommet that holds in the toe screw getting loose and turning with the screw so it's a bitch to get out then in one case on one of the first production samples the bars underfoot cracked.

I've never been happier getting off of dukes haha.
Mar 19 2014 3:05PM
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Goku
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For what you want the Duke will be great.
I love mine
Mar 19 2014 7:08PM
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Tsams
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Would you recommend the guardian 13? Or is the 16 better? What about the Duke?
Mar 19 2014 10:38PM
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tomPietrowski
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Same build, different din so buy the appropriate one for your needs.
Mar 20 2014 6:47AM
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Goku
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The Guardian 13 is Salomons version of Baron
The 16 is Duke.

Not sure if Baron is using EPF yet, which is why I said Duke
Mar 20 2014 10:23AM
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jblaski
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I have nothing but good things to say about the Guardian. I have about 40 days on that binding between resort, backcountry, and patrolling and it's been completely bomber. I'm 180lbs, and ski more aggressively than most, and had zero problems. I ride at a DIN of 10, so I got the 13's to save a few bucks.
Mar 20 2014 10:43AM
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tomPietrowski
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Yep Baron is EPF as is the Tour F12. We sell more barons then dukes as for most the baron will be sufficent.
Mar 20 2014 10:50AM
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RubberSoul
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wait what does EPF mean?
Mar 20 2014 12:08PM
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tomPietrowski
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It stands for Extended Power Frame. Basically marker widened the mount patern when the gardian came out. This wider pattern is called EPF.
Mar 20 2014 12:22PM
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RubberSoul
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ohh right. am i right in assuming what you said implies that the guardian has a similarly wide frame then? i have my eye on the guardians

thanks man
Mar 20 2014 12:32PM
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tomPietrowski
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exactly, so before EPF the gardian was the widest mount patern, but then marker released the epf versions which were slightly wider trhen teh gardians mount patern. But the gardian is lower to the ski, and I find this is the bnigger factor. I dislike being high off the ski, so my persoanl fav is the gardian/tracker as it is the lowest to the ski. They ski very well too, just as solid as my sth 16's just slightly higher off the ski.
Mar 20 2014 12:39PM
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RubberSoul
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yep, that is exactly what i wanna hear, low stack height and no big difference when youre charging. i'd rather more weight going uphill than standing at the top thinking hm i wonder if my fucking bindings are gonna hold up on this line....
Mar 20 2014 1:47PM
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division.bell
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I loved my Guardians initially, as they were solid inbounds and let me ski as if I were on normal alpine bindings. Touring, I never noticed the weight or had an issue with their lack of a flat touring mode. My only gripe touring was the one time a heel riser fell back down and I accidentally locked into ski mode.

However, I have a major problem with the Guardians punching holes into my skis.

I have them mounted on ON3P Vicik Tours with veneer topsheets and somehow the bindings have created sizable holes in the tops of my skis. I will post some pictures once I get home as I intend on contacting Salomon through the local shop I bought the bindings from to see what they have to say. I am pretty fucking disappointed that the otherwise killer bindings are now killing my skis.

Anyone else having or know of similar issues with the Guardians?

I just picked up some Adrenalins for a different pair of skis to try and avoid the same damage from happening to another beautiful pair of veneer skis.
Mar 20 2014 4:23PM
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tomPietrowski
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Where have they marked them? Is it where the toe pivots or towards the heel maybe? I have mounted a lot of gaurdians and have not seen this.
Mar 20 2014 4:34PM
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division.bell
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The damage is near the heels on both skis.

As I mentioned earlier, I will definitely get some pictures uploaded once I get back home.
Mar 20 2014 5:53PM
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last_tango
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That's what I was going to recommend. When I used them on the 4frnt renegades I demoed they felt super solid on the downhill and the walk mode was really simple.
Mar 20 2014 6:57PM
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PowPirate
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tyrolia is so underrated
Mar 20 2014 7:39PM
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Substitute
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The baron has been equiped with EPF this year. Really solid looking binding.
Mar 20 2014 8:00PM
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minihef
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Get the Tyrolia Adrenalins or any of the rebranded versions ie 4frnt/Head?Fischer etc.

I've spent a load of days on Dukes and Adrenalins and Adrenalins are better in every regard - they're lighter, tour much better, ski better, have a more consistent release.

They're also much lighter than the Guardians/Trackers and don't suddenly break in two like many have found with Salomon/Atomic offerings.
Mar 20 2014 9:06PM
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Substitute
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Never will I ever buy tyroials ever. Too many pairs have broken, and been destroyed. They might make OK bindings as of lately but I will not drop $300+ for bindings I don't trust.
Mar 20 2014 10:04PM
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minihef
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Each to their own but have you actually tried the Adrenalins or just basing this off old Tyrolia bindings you have used?
Mar 20 2014 10:13PM
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division.bell
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I have around 10 days on this setup; Guardian 16's and Vicik Tours with veneer topsheets. 5 days touring, and the rest inbounds. I only found the damage as I noticed basically sawdust on my hand after moving my skis. Further inspection found the damage shown below. The battery in my digital caliper is dead, otherwise I would have measured the depth of some of these damaged areas.

What one of the damaged spots looks like from the side with the binding locked in the ski position.



Some light marking underneath the toe area.



Heels. Ski # 1 on the right, Ski # 2 on the left.



Ski # 1, left edge side.



Ski # 1, right edge side.



Ski # 1, front heel area marking.



Ski # 2, left edge side.



Ski # 2, right edge side.



Ski # 2, front heel area marking.



Underneath binding on Ski # 1.



Another shot of underneath binding on Ski # 1.



Underneath binding on Ski # 2. There is noticeably less wood dust on this binding compared to Ski # 1.

Mar 21 2014 12:41AM
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tomPietrowski
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Hard to see as I'm on mobile but it looks like it's just wear from the binding slightly moving on the track as the ski flexes. I would guess your seeing it as those skis don't really have a top sheet so they are wearing very easily. I have seen a slight rub there before but on most skis the most it doe is scuff the top sheet. But hopefully onenerdy may have some opinions but to me it looks like a normal rub that unfortunately is being made worse by the ski.
Mar 21 2014 5:18AM
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Substitute
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Kinda both. Not those exact bindings, I demoed some skis with tyrolias. Hated them. I saw some guy with the attack, tried them and hated them. Just felt really shaky and weird.
Mar 21 2014 6:55AM
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tomPietrowski
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Were they adjusted to your boots? If not of course they felt loose. They are a very solid binding I would put them just behind the sth2 in terms of quality
Mar 21 2014 8:28AM
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Substitute
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.... Im sorry was that a real question? Not trying to be insulting but really man?
Mar 21 2014 9:15AM
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tomPietrowski
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Serious question did you set the forward pressure and AFD height exactly? If not then even if your boots fit in the binding they may feel loose.
Mar 21 2014 9:55AM
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minihef
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Weird because my Adrenalins feel way more locked in and ski way more solidly than the Dukes I had ever did.
Mar 21 2014 10:25AM
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Substitute
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I had them set up properly. I just didnt like them
Mar 21 2014 10:54AM
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minihef
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Did you try adjusting the forward pressure and AFD?
Mar 21 2014 11:02AM
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last_tango
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I can see where you feel that. Back I want to say 10ish years ago I blew up a heel piece up racing in high school. Since then they have stepped up their game big time.
Mar 21 2014 11:21AM
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Substitute
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Yes. I dont like them end of story.
Mar 21 2014 11:57AM
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Dr.Dickless
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This, and the marker systems lock can get packed with snow meaning you think they're locked when they aren't really
Mar 21 2014 3:36PM
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PurpleDino
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If your doing a lot of hard skiing in bounds and out of bounds I'd suggest the dukes. I always have problems with bindings not being bomb proof. Hit too many drops and they loosen up on you. I bought my dukes at the beginning of this season and they have been super bombproof. They aren't shaky at all, they are easy to switch to touring mode, have easy to adjust heal lifts, and are a super solid binding. One common problem is that a lot of shops don't know how to properly set the forward pressure on marker bindings. Make sure you double check your settings or your binding will be shaky as fuck and will pop off any time you don't want it to. You only need the dukes if you really beat the shit out of your set up. If you don't need a bombproof binding definitely go for something a bit lighter.
Mar 22 2014 1:18PM
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