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No i value individual freedoms more than most. I also believe that humans are inherently evil and will try to take any advantage they can even at the expense of another human. This makes me quick to recognize when government involvment would be beneficial.

Trust me, in a free market meriticracy i would benefit immensly. But i think that the people born under lesser circumstances should have a shot at a good life, even at my expense. If i am truly as smart and savvy as i believe, i'll be able to thrive no matter what; so why not give the beaten down a little boost. Life's not fair... but the government should help to soften that little fact of nature.

thats my personal opinion.

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There actually is a perfect way to prove it. It's basic psychology and I catch people proving it all the time much to their chagrin.

See to believe that homosexuality is a choice- for the human mind to accept that as a governing fact- the brain must be experiencing that "fact" as a reality. The holder of that specific belief literally has to be making the choice to not be the homosexual they would like to be in order to believe that.

Tl;dr - If you think being gay is a choice it's because you've chosen to not be gay and to be "normal" despite your desires to the contrary.

Also if you think gays shouldn't be able to call them marriages well fuck you. Listen up- It's not your word and implying that they can't use the same word as literally everyone else in the world who gets married is fucked. It is saying flat out "we think you are human garbage and even though this isn't our word we think you aren't worthy to use it to the point where we will join church and state to legally block you from doing so". Guess what? That's bullshit. Your projections are fucking ugly and there are some sad fucking people in this thread.

Get the fuck over yourselves. Love isn't yours to dole out or validate you fucking pretentious cunts. Step the fuck aside and let love fly- to expend effort to judge, subjugate or discriminate belies the point of piety so your religious crutch by which you balance hate is a joke to me. Run along before I fucking find a keyboard and actually take the time to pick apart every bullshit notion you've carelessly slapped together and spewed forth as if it didn't leave you gaping open like a social stab wound waiting to get fingerbanged by someone who realizes what a sad, scared little person you really are inside.

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he also thinks all the land on earth was in a subcontinent less than 5000 years ago, i wouldn't try to argue with him too much.

But also, well said. Its people like you who made me feel ok to come out.

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was raised in a church until 16

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I fucking hate the south.

but, for me i was raised lutheran and my parents were some of the most active members of a very profitable church, with some extremely powerful members. I have seen the church's books - my parents do a lot of the budgeting/offering money stuff and i have filled in few times. the amount of money that is budgeted towards local, national and international projects that help the poor and needy is damn impressive. The church does so so so much good. People just love to seize on the few bad apples.

But seriously, the new bullshit evangelical mega church movement can go fuck itself. that is what gives this country's christians a bad image.

And FWIW I am agnostic leaning heavily towards atheism and that is no secret. However i still help out at church when ever i am home. I think it is a tremendous charitable organization, and provides an irreplacably supportive community.

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1. Not wanting gays to be able to get married is discrimination.

2. Considering being gay a sin is pretty damn homophobic.

Seriously, you cannot be this stupid. Please, for the love of Allah, be trolling.

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Well thank you. You should feel more than ok to come out imo and that's what bothers me the most. It's people like these mouth breathers with the inability to differentiate between what goes on in their church and what the rest of the world wants & that like to hide behind their institutionalized bigotry as if it makes it ok to systematically marginalize human beings that should be ashamed.

You- whoever you are- are awesome. Keep on loving. Those that hate in God's name are the true blasphemers anyways ;)

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I don't hate anyone so I don't see your point. Who are you talking about.

Honestly you seem like that one guy that thinks he's always right no matter what, and that you create the rules of life and understand everything about life. Haha.

Whenever I try to discuss things with non-christians you guys always just spazz the heck out. Like look at it, you're the only one that's mad..

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Have you ever thought that people feel so strongly about this because they know a portion of society that includes their friends and family are actively being treated like second class citizens because of who they love? People are enamored with you because you're just touting bullshit then playing the victim card.

At the end of the day though we can all take solace in knowing that your ideology/the one your parents smothered you with is a dying one. You will be looked at with the same contempt and sadness as the people who had the audacity to protest interracial marriage in the name of Jesus. the sad truth (for you) is that gay marriage won't end because you can't just stop what comes naturally to human beings. Slowly but surely your set of psuedomoral laws based on nothing but backwards science and willful misinformation from the church are dying; and like your laws, you too will die in a scary world where lgbt rights wholly trump bullshit calls of "religious persecution "

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1. Marriage is something christians believe to be strictly between a man and a woman, thats it. its not some hate filled belief, two guys getting married is not marriage in their eyes. its not homophobic.

Now, there are a lot of christians who do have some level of hate towards gays, are homophobic, discriminatory, etc.. but if they are, they arent a TRUE christian. thats not living "like christ"

2. Its pretty unclear if homosexuality is actually considered a sin, the only things in the bible that would point to that comes from the words of people, not the word of God, and remember, the bible was written by people, well before there was any kind of knowledge or acceptance of homosexuality that there is today. What IS a sin, is to judge, hate, condemn, other people. And all sins are equal to God, So a christian judging a homosexual is just as sinful as a homosexual might be (if it is a sin). and everyone sins, every day, the most perfect christians sin, they are incapable of not sinning, a homosexual could be just as "sinful" as the most perfect christian.

A true christian would have nothing but love and grace towards a homosexual. Thats not homophobia.

anyway, back to the topic of if homosexuality is a sin, like i said before, the arguments ive heard before about it being a sin come from the words of PEOPLE, i.e. sinniers themselves. and its more along the lines of "sinful sexual behavior" between the same gender, not same gender love.

If i remember right the only thing coming from the word of God that could be associated with homosexuality, or heterosexuality/sexuality in general, is more along the lines of if its exploitative, manipulative, dishonest, selfish, destructive, etc.. its sinful. if the motives are pure and honest, if its a faithful love, there's nothing I know of from Gods word that would say its a sin. And regardless, only God can judge the sins of others, not us.

So sparknotes: a true christian would be the opposite of a homophobe, he would only show love and grace towards gays.

And this is all coming from a non religious, pretty much atheist. I just have studied a lot of christianity because i find it interesting, grew up going to church, and find that regardless of your faith or lack of, striving to be like christ is about the most perfect way you can live your life.

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I am far from a know it all but you sir are a fucking bleach-chugging mongoloid who fails to make even the most basic cause & effect correlations in even a single of your arguments.

It's hilarious though, because your ideals would be perfectly in line with the current laws in Russia- where there isn't a law against being gay, just showing it in public. Think about that for a second. It's the black and white version of what you're saying and I bet it sounds awesome to your ironically homophobic self- but look at the society it creates. Public gay bashings that the police literally take part in and then arrest those who had the audacity to be gay in public. As is the case in Arizona, by removing sexual behavior from protected classes altogether you're making it perfectly legal to discriminate in any arena- someone could be fired for being gay, evicted for being gay or refused even medical treatment for being gay. This law goes a step further in its ambiguity in that anyone can be refused for any religious difference- meaning by letter of law any jew, muslim, divorcee, adulterer or the like can be fired or openly discriminated against at any time. Just because it's aimed at homosexuals doesn't mean it closes the door to open and rampant discrimination. That, retard, is hate no matter what religion you subscribe to.

See, I believe that religious people are entitled to believe whatever they want- within the walls of their church they can abhor vaccines and medical procedures of any kind that may result in needless death and suffering without penalty. They can choose to recognize any marriage, divorce, sins or penance in any form they wish- it's when they think they can use the freedoms inherent in this great fucking nation that allow them to make these personal faith choices to go outside those walls and use the legal system to take away the freedoms, liberties or legal entitlement from those who do not share your religious beliefs that I will tear you down because you are a freedom leech. You use the very freedoms you have been afforded by the system to try to strip those same rights away from others. And why? So you can feel superior?

Just to be clear, this isn't me being right- this is me relating to you the universal truths inherent in the freedoms we enjoy as citizens of the USA. How Christians think they are the only religion that gets to enjoy a lack of enforcement to the whole "Separation of Church and State" I have no idea, but they would lose their fucking minds if someone tried to Instill Sharia Law, that much I know. By that litmus test alone you should go fuck yourself. You don't get to make laws based on your misunderstanding of religion and need to subjugate in order to feel pious. That's unconstitutional to a T.

So yeah. You're full of shit. How you and so many others have convinced yourselves that what you feel and think isn't hateful I have no idea but don't come in here and expect anybody else to entertain it as if it's a valid paradigm for a developed nation to govern by.

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And this is totally fine IN YOUR CHURCH.

Once it goes outside your church/its subscribers and you force it into law and EVERYONE has to adhere to it or suffer penalty, that's state religion which is flat out unconstitutional.

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Also I am Christian and I'm sick of you fucking douchebags making us look bad. It's hate pushing bigots like you that give us all a bad name and give religion a terrible connotation. Grow the fuck up and develop an educated perspective already, you're embarrassing yourself and others around you.

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1. That's all fine and good, but even if it isn't homophobic (which i never claimed it was), it's still discrimination, no matter how you look at it.

2. It's in the Bible, it's a sin. Yes, the Bible was written by people, and it's absolutely fine to pick and choose on an individual basis what parts of the Bible you choose to follow and not follow personally, but it's definitely considered a sin in a strict interpretation of the Bible. If you argue that the Bible is written by man and not God, then why the fuck does anyone listen to anything it says if it's all hearsay apart from the ten commandments? The Bible has authority for a reason, even if it is written by people, and not God.

Let's make this really simple: if you consider homosexuality a sin, and a damnable offense, you are being homophobic. I don't give a shit how you treat gay people in real life, if you privately consider them all damned to hell for all eternity for being gay, you're homophobic.

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this is something i forgot to mention.. Christians believe marriage is strictly man and woman, but the government isnt christian, we have separation of church and state, religion should not have ANY impact on marriage LAWS.

my whole point was that just because christians believe marriage is only between man and woman doesnt make them homophobes. but I do disagree with the ones who try to force their beliefs into laws IMO thats judgement and just as much of a sin as any homosexual in gods eyes.

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If you are then why don't you at least act like it? haha

Do you believe that the Bible is true? And legitimate?

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Right on!

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i believe the bible has valuable lessons and a solid set of morals you can follow, and i believe God helped guide its creation.

I don't believe it is literal, and I believe it contains human error.

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Do you believe in hell?

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Id rather have sex with a very attractive man then a super gross fat chick. Am I gay?

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yes, but i believe God judges us based on who we choose to be and how we treat others, not how well we literally follow the bible.

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But it says directly in the bible how to get to heaven and not go to hell.. Nobody can follow it perfectly, but actually trying to follow it is better than not caring. And people's idea of what a 'good' person is, is not necessarily what actually is a good person in God's eyes.

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Milk Man:

Why are you a christian and not a muslim, jew, or hindu?

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Cause that shit's heresy. There's only one true religion, idiot. The one that didn't come first. Duh.

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Because none of their religions make sense to me. And there are a lot of things about those religions that I don't agree with.

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it also says that if you accept jesus as your savior, you get to heaven. However I think the God the bible paints looks at more than the black and white of the bible.

"people's idea of what a 'good' person is, is not necessarily what actually is a good person in God's eyes." maybe not, but who are you to decide for us what that entails? Are you not one of those people who doesn't actually know what god is doing?

I find a personal relationship with god goes a lot further than listening to someone like you who has no idea what god has in store or planned for anyone other than yourself.

I choose to follow god literally, not the bible and those who want to interpret it for me.

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Common man! we all know that isnt true. You havent spent years studying, and meditating on those religons haha.

The real reason you are whatever denomination you are, is because your parents raised you in that religon. That is a fact. And honestly if your pastor/priest/rabbi etc doesnt admit this, then they are full of shit(FWIW this concept was first told to me by my old pastor).

This fact shouldnt change what you believe in, or how much you believe in it though. A true believer is a true believer no matter how they came by that belief. I am simply trying to show you how many of our beliefs are products of our environment, and are not universal facts. And if they are not universal facts, then you shouldnt be forcing your beliefs into universal law.

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Have you ever read the Bible? You wouldn't need people to interpret it for you if you've read it.

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So why does the Torah and the first testament have discrepancies?

why do different bibles use different wordings?

Its because they are all interpretations.

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the bible wasn't written by god. there is only one true god, and thats shrek

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They have slightly different wordings but its all the same message.

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Then why dont you place eual emphasis on all its teachings?

like women sitting in a tub for 50 days after birth, polygamy, etc.

Its because those small things dont apply to the overall message of god loves you, jesus saved you from your nature as a sinner, and to be a good person.

why are you sweating the samll, obscure, insignificant things while foregetting abou the larger issues? Why arent you pushing hard to outlaw sex before marriage? whay arent you pushing to outlaw adulturey?

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People will do that no matter what Christians say. In general, people will do whatever they want..they don't care what God wants for their life. They believe that when you die, you'll either be nothing or you'll be in some sort of heaven no matter what you do on this earth. Because if they knew for sure that hell was real they wouldn't be doing whatever they want..

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Well its really not. Lets not forget the current bible was only compiled once in about 400, then again in the 14-1500's, during which Martin Luther was also removing some books. Up until 130 BC, the old testament was rapidly changing, and until 400 AD the new and old were pretty much not even really connected. In fact, St.Jerome and St.Augustine, both two pretty upstanding guys, both thought they were guided by the holy spirit, but actually never agreed on a few of the books.

So after all that, the catholic bible has 7 more books than most protestant ones.

And you're trying to tell me that there were no errors, no mistranslations, nothing at all but god's exact words, literally and complete?

hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahaha

When religion causes you to stop using logic in everyday life, its time to start re-evaluating what you're following.

And citing the bible for reasons the bible is correct is one of the most flawed thing people like you do. If we say certain elements of the bible don't look to be true, you coming back and saying the bible reaffirms it is a massive conflict of interest, and your argument loses its credibility. And if you seem to be waging an incredible argument, why would you keep trying to make it. Why would you expect us to incorporate that argument more into our society? That kind of circular senseless argument has no place in modern day academics or law.

And i'm not denouncing those who do those who do follow the Bible, or Torah, or Qur'an, or Buddha, if you believe what you believe, you should be allowed to in peace. I am saying you need to stop trying to force, through law and mandatory principles, your baseless belief system onto those of us who choose to believe in different baseless belief systems, like myself, and those who choose to believe in nothing.

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according to your specific denomination...which is? btw(legit curious)

The lutheran, and most protestant denominations believe that all you have to do is believe in God, and believe that Jesus died to forgive your sins. Boom, you are now garaunteed lifetime membership into St Peters country club.

So really, it all depends on what you believe? right?

Do you think you can force people to believe what you believe? Ill answer that for you- no. they have to believe it themselves, you cant force them. so why are you trying to force them to not be married?

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Lutheran. And marriage had a specific definition, up until we screwed it up. No ones forcing them to not be married. If they wanna be married, they can marry someone of the opposite sex. And if they wanna be gay then they can spend their life with their partner. Marriage is a union in which a man and a woman start a life and a family together. Reproduction. Good luck having two guys reproduce together. If every single person on earth was in a committed gay relationship, the human race would die out.

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Well that's the problem, your definition's wrong. Do you plan to join the crusade against the elderly and infertile peoples rights to marry as well?

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It's not my definition. It has been the definition of marriage for thousands on years. No human has the right to change the definition of marriage.

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Well its really not. Lets not forget the current bible was only compiled once in about 400, then again in the 14-1500's, during which Martin Luther was also removing some books. Up until 130 BC, the old testament was rapidly changing, and until 400 AD the new and old were pretty much not even really connected. In fact, St.Jerome and St.Augustine, both two pretty upstanding guys, both thought they were guided by the holy spirit, but actually never agreed on a few of the books.

So after all that, the catholic bible has 7 more books than most protestant ones.

And you're trying to tell me that there were no errors, no mistranslations, nothing at all but god's exact words, literally and complete?

hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahaha

When religion causes you to stop using logic in everyday life, its time to start re-evaluating what you're following.

And citing the bible for reasons the bible is correct is one of the most flawed thing people like you do. If we say certain elements of the bible don't look to be true, you coming back and saying the bible reaffirms it is a massive conflict of interest, and your argument loses its credibility. And if you seem to be waging an incredible argument, why would you keep trying to make it. Why would you expect us to incorporate that argument more into our society? That kind of circular senseless argument has no place in modern day academics or law.

And i'm not denouncing those who do those who do follow the Bible, or Torah, or Qur'an, or Buddha, if you believe what you believe, you should be allowed to in peace. I am saying you need to stop trying to force, through law and mandatory principles, your baseless belief system onto those of us who choose to believe in different baseless belief systems, like myself, and those who choose to believe in nothing.

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Milk Man. I dare you to watch this in it's entirety. Bill Nye gives Ken Ham every opportunity to show how following the bible literally is possible. But quite frankly, using any kind of logic it is simply not possible to do. You have to lie to yourself and just say 'faith' for every inconsistency of which there are dozens and dozens of examples. When you say to follow the bible, this man right here is the best voice for your cause. Watch this and afterwards tell me unequvicolly that you agree with him.

I'll bet you money you can't do it. And if you can, well you're the only one who knows what you truly think at the end of the night but it is plainly obvious why people think religious people who literally follow the bible are dumb. It's because they are.

fast forward to 13:00 this is when it begins.

Everyone should watch this if they haven't seen it. Bill Nye says what we all think, people in any sort of power who can subscribe to this train of thought is well, troubling.

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Marriage is not just a religious institution, and the part theology played in the early inception of marriage is incredibly miniscule, if not nonexistent. Monogomous unions, the predecessor of marriage, pre-date established religion and recorded history, arising around the dawn of man, and ten's of thousands of years before the three Abrahamic religions - arguably the three most prevalent religions in our society. Now marriage as the institution we know today - ceremonial and legal - came to be in an archaic age, through clans/tribes marrying off daughters to rival clans/tribes to form or strengthen alliances. Again, devoid of religion and thousands of years before Judeo-Christian beliefs surfaced. Marriage is also evident in primitive Amazonian, African and Asian tribes that have had no contact with the developed world. In the religious aspect, marriage encompasses all of them, whether they by polytheistic or monotheistic. Marriage transcends belief systems: it is commonplace in all, yet been exercised independently from religion for thousands of years. So to state/believe that the church is the final, and only, authority on marriage - a union with origins completely unrelated to their institution - is delusional.

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I watched that live the night it happened

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Do I have to copy and paste various dictionary definitions of what the agreed definition of marriage is? That's your opinion on what the word means, one that differs from the accepted definition and practices of a very large portion of people. You simply can't use the argument that Marriage is for those who reproduce because it makes no fucking sense in the reality of how marriage is practiced, even the church doesn't discriminate on that basis.

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...and would you care to grace us with your thoughts on this...

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Any online dictionary is a modern dictionary. Find the definition of marriage in a dictionary from the early 1900's

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