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Mountains that cut passes for inverted aerials -- does yours ?

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first_rodeo
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never have gotten pass cut for aerials, but its been threatened-- i've had to sit in time out several times

not just the backflip/frontflips that are every ones confidence trick
unders rodeos corks will get you chased down where i live
no matter how clean or how many you do in a line

i used to be rude to the snowboard-park crew... taunt them on how they can't send their own builds


I get the whole insurance aspect associated with more dangerous maneuvers
but when you pay and sign a terrain park pass waiver.... aren't you releasing liability


Oct 29 2013 2:57PM
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penguiin
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My mountain has this rule and we MUST have a park pass to even enter the park. When I got my pass I had to sign the whole waiver on "it's your risk blah blah blah". I will never understand why after signing that I can't do inverts.



That said people do inverts and I've never seen anybody get in trouble for it so I don't know if it's even enforced.
Oct 29 2013 2:59PM
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iLLbiLLy
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quality post.

You seem cool, wanna be my bff?
Oct 29 2013 3:00PM
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Wizerd
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Same ting happened last year. Some kid got his pass confiscated for 2 weeks for doing the cleanest backie i've seen in a while. Sucks to suck though
Oct 29 2013 3:01PM
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first_rodeo
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one time the park crew with girlfriend in tail does a pencil 1080 to show up my friends blunt 7
then i just did a rodeo japan and his girlfriend skied to tell me her name
 /claim.?
Oct 29 2013 3:18PM
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broto
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wow that's one to tell all your friends on the playground right there
Oct 29 2013 3:25PM
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RubberSoul
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clipped pass for inverts? more like guaranteed pussy voucher
Oct 29 2013 3:27PM
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t_rob
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haha. I haven't heard the term inverted aerials in years. I remember when Sunday River changed their policy on no inverts to "We do not recommend inverted tricks." But that was at least 7 years ago.
Oct 29 2013 3:30PM
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alpaclarry
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all four of the ski hills where I live kick you for anything inverted
Oct 29 2013 3:30PM
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KingGeedorah
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My mountain does. My friend almost got his pass pulled but got away on the technicality that a flatspin isn't ever fully inverted.
Oct 29 2013 3:33PM
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k2andcannoli
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Wisp Resort, MD
Oct 29 2013 3:33PM
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.Rybak.
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Spirit mountain says you can't but I've never seen anybody get their pass cut for it.
Oct 29 2013 3:34PM
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steezburgereddie
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at my hill they tried to cut a snowboarders pass for doing a cork 5 but he explained it to them and they let him stay. but for inverted aerials they will suspend you if you have a season pass, each time getting longer and longer sudpentions but if you have a pass for they day they will clip it.
Oct 29 2013 3:37PM
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Benson.
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I can't even imagine getting my pass pulled for a backflip...
Oct 29 2013 3:40PM
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Huck_Norris
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At Magic Patrol buys you a beer if they see you throwing a backie on Redline.
Oct 29 2013 3:40PM
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Benson.
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I've always wanted to go there for some reason. Now I know why.
Oct 29 2013 3:42PM
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MEDSKI.
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"Inverted aerial maneuvers are not recommended"
Oct 29 2013 3:46PM
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Benson.
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I think almost every mountain has this.
Oct 29 2013 3:48PM
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Iraq_Lobster
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sundown mountain in Iowa does, but chestnut mountain is like 40 minutes away so I could go there and do some flips
Oct 29 2013 4:37PM
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Lemuel
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Ski Patrol has threatened to take mine. Reasoning was "It's dangerous." As if sliding on giants pieces of metal is a better alternative. I just kept doing backies, ski patrol at my mountain in CT can't ski for shit so I got away every time.
Oct 29 2013 4:53PM
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RubberSoul
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GTA: Connecticut
Oct 29 2013 5:07PM
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Ali_Dibden
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haha, golden!
Oct 29 2013 6:09PM
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YoungJ
Posts: 447 - Karma: 883
You just got me in the mood to go play some gta. At Yawgoo ri, we dont have jumps... so no flips
Oct 29 2013 6:11PM
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jordangaebel
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I've heard from my friends at my home mountain won't allow inverted flips but I've seen people do them in front of our ski patrols but they never did anything about it. I mean I guess maybe if you keep trying an inverted trick and you keep failing they would tell you to stop trying them or something but I've never heard anyone get there pass cut from it.
Oct 29 2013 6:13PM
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first_rodeo
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bromley has that same attitude

Oct 29 2013 6:17PM
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oil.
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more than likely they dont give a shit whether its a flatspin or "fully inverted" they just decided to let your friend off because again, they dont care what you do in the park and they had to tell you guys.
Oct 29 2013 6:26PM
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Anchorfilms
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NASHOBA
Oct 29 2013 6:57PM
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Toaster-Tony
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Our park enforces "No Inverts", which means that corks fit in some gray-area and you can usually get away with doing them.

With that being said, ski patrol at my hill have literally no idea which tricks are what so if you just said, "I accidentally went upside down", you can pretty much get away with anything you want.
Oct 29 2013 7:03PM
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Juicy-J
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you say this in literally every thread you post in.

my mountain's policy is "no inverts" but it isnt enforced at all, i cant imagine stomping a trick and getting your pass pulled for it, that shit is bonkers
Oct 29 2013 7:09PM
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HaydenLaBrie
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nope
Oct 29 2013 7:19PM
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Ginger_Drew
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I know the park I ski at used to have this rule but eventually they figured out how dumb it was and stopped enforcing it
Oct 29 2013 7:50PM
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Holte
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My buddy's pass got cut for a rodeo - which would have been understandable except the park signs all said Inverted Aerials Not Recommended - not prohibited. When we pointed it out, the patroller's response was that they were ordering new signs with proper wording. Good ol Crystal...
Oct 29 2013 7:56PM
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skiP.E.I.
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Marble Mountain, Newfoundland
Brookvale, PEI
Oct 29 2013 8:04PM
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nine50seven
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sundown mtn in Iowa. they make the park really "safe" for the little children since its mostly younger kids(freshman in hs and younger)
Oct 29 2013 8:07PM
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earl.squirrelson
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just protecting themselves, liability is never transfered really, contracts and waivers don't mean shit till they are tested in court... in the same way, If you order hot coffee and burn yourself.. People who sue have ruined it for the rest of us...

for example, i sign a waiver with heeps of writing when i get my park pass, (which allows inverted tricks), is it neglegent that the ski resort gave passes away to people to do inverted tricks? was the park properly maintained to cater for accidents involving inverted tricks? Did i properly understand what i was stating or doing? was it made fully aware to me the injuries I could incur? Was the waiver in any way negotiable? etc etc etc.. the list goes on...

I hate it, but I don't blame them... I blame the people who slip over, trip on gutters and sue for what is clearly there lack of intellegence. People who walk of cliffs and say there wasn't proper fencing, people who get drunk and stumble onto the road. Theives that get injured on someones property, the same place they are trying to rob!!!! the list goes on

What i don't understand is why no laws or courts address and dismiss cases for "common sense". Like you must be pretty "simple" not to draw a conclusion that an inverted trick would increase the chance of you injuring your neck or head. 

Oct 29 2013 8:13PM
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TACO-DOG.exe
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if a video with inverts in it is posted and management of the mountain sees it they will fire the park patrol who was working at the time.

so yeah they're fucking dicks about it.
Oct 29 2013 8:16PM
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NMMedia
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At my home hill they used to have a policy to clip passes if they caught you doing inverts, but they pretty quickly realized that people were gonna do it anyways and it was a waste of their time to chase us all down so they gave up and changed the rules. Now they are just "not recommended."
Oct 29 2013 8:18PM
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earl.squirrelson
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imagine if they had knowledge of who was working, took no action then some gronk injured themselves doing a laid out backie..

they'd literally get torn a new asshole in court... It fucking sucks, but that's the way it is.... It's fucked up.

At my mum's school (she is a teacher), kids aren't allowed to run in the playground, or do cartwheels.

I literally bought some wine glasses for my mum.. on the box it read. "WARNING: glass can be very sharp when broken"

Oct 29 2013 8:23PM
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BWalmer
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You really think that means anything? I hear that argument all the time, but people who get hurt and lawyers will attack a mountain no matter what.

90% of the time a mountain has that rule it's because someone got hurt doing an invert and sued the mountain, whether or not the mountain wins their insurance company usually makes them implement the no inverts rule. So basically, some moron got hurt (unfortunate), sued the mountain, and now no one can do inverts there.

The other 10% of the mountains have that rule because the insurance companies don't even want to bother with a suit.

Therefore, don't blame the mountain, blame the insurance companies and the lawsuit crazy people, cause there the reason the rule exists.
Oct 29 2013 8:30PM
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casual
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Loveland has a couple guys on patrol who throw cornice fronts on the reg. Zero fucks are given.
Oct 29 2013 8:36PM
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PuffyJacketMan
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How hard do they kick you? Can't you just take you beating and then do another flip?
Oct 29 2013 8:42PM
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JoshWong
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it's happened multiple times at my home mountain
Oct 29 2013 8:57PM
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rare_earth
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yea i saw a kid get his pass clipped...good thing im trying to add a grab to my 360
Oct 29 2013 9:05PM
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Parks.
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jesus and i thought rose had a stick up their ass
Oct 29 2013 9:08PM
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first_rodeo
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someone took a Law 200...............
chapter 1 glossary terms:
"intent"
"negligence"
"tort tax" on society as  a whole


releases from liability

1. assumption of risk inherent with on hill actitivies
2. the waiver // contract on the ski pass you accepted by purchasing and accepting terms
3.the terrain park pass, you get educated on park safety
4. the multiple signs you see when entering the terrain park


negligence by the mountain

like a rail broke and caused you injury

not blocking off an unfinished feature

leaving grooming tools on the landing










Oct 29 2013 9:22PM
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elm.
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Once i did a backy and screwed up and got a bloody nose somehow, anyways, ski patrol saw the blood and came over and I explained what happened and that I was fine. The ski patrol woman explained that they don't allow inverted airs, but she told me I should go to the backcountry and do them there. Didn't pull my pass or anything.

Actually pretty nice of ski patrol, I don't mind.
Oct 29 2013 9:39PM
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OwenReynolds
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At my mountain we have to be sneaky as fuck but we usually get away with it. One time I actually got caught but because I under rotated and ate shit the ski patrol was too busy laughing at me to get mad.
Oct 29 2013 10:33PM
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Benson.
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I wonder who on NS works as a patroller in the winter...
Oct 29 2013 10:43PM
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earl.squirrelson
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nah i actually did 4 years of it.. and after i know how screwed it all is  I have given it all up.

not sure about your juristiction, but essentially waiver//contracts aren't actually valid unless they follow a certain criteria and are proven to be... just because you sign something, it doesn't make it binding.

signs don't mean anything, you could argue they aren't sufficient,were they displayed correctly? was there enough? did they accurately display the risks and the assumption of risk? do they cator for colour blind, blind, dyslexic, children those with limited mental capacity? 

really all you're saying is what mountains already do to try and protect themselves, so why would they cut your pass, BECAUSE THEY AREN"T PROTECTED... if those things worked so well they wouldn't give 2 fucks about your pass.

There are signs everywhere, contracts on everything, look on the tickets you buy for anything, there will usually be a contract on the back... like at a water park, it'll usually say you are entering at your own risk and certain things like puddles are unnavoidable and adopt the risk. But when comes to the crunch it means jack shit.

Oct 29 2013 11:13PM
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histonskiah
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I was about to say that the same thing happened at my Hill, but then I realized we both ride Hyland. Haha
Oct 29 2013 11:39PM
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roddy116
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Where is that one video where ski patrol talk to that one kid after doing an under flip?
Oct 29 2013 11:42PM
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