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Matt Margetts Donation Discussion

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will_powder
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It's annoying as hell to debate in the comments section. Move here.

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Oct 2 2013 2:06PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Wasn't him that posted it.

Also, NS isn't just full of the people you mentioned, NS basically has everyone and their cat in skiing browsing through. So yes, he's got some harsh criticism from some people, and some support from others... but there's countless lurkers just checking out what is going on that clearly are giving some support.

I mean when you get down to brass tacks... the campaign is actually going pretty well.

I've decided I fucking love this. The government cut my taxes from going to Marg. Shit... I wish they would cut my fucking taxes going to the lot of these kooks. I don't have a conventional view of what is 'good' skiing and I don't give a fucking rats ass what your points say.

If money could help get someone in... and I could use my own money to promote whoever I god damn please... then fuck yes I support this. I can also use my money to tell these athletes to lick my balls and spend it all on an Inspired T-shirt with an extra personal cheque to Henrik to ask him to fuck with the world.

I actually personally dislike competitive skiing in general to be completely honest with you... but for some reason I'm into the athletes getting self funded. Fuck it... in today's economy you need to think outside the box.

Noting this, we should do WAY more kickstarter-style campaigns to get other skiers to do things we want them to do. I'd like to pay some skiers to not do fucking doubles in a contest and give me the 180 I've been waiting my whole life to see.

Oct 2 2013 11:10PM
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Casey
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It just kind of reminded me of when I saw this homeless guy on the side of the road holding a sign that was like 'hungry want food' and while I was waiting in traffic he put his sign down and walked over in the parking lot and got into a car significantly nicer than mine and drove away.

Oct 2 2013 11:13PM
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loganimlach
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If that rant came off as me calling Matt a piece of shit then it was misdelivered and/or misunderstood. Seeing some of these other replies is starting to make me feel bad for the guy. Let me be clear: I in no way, shape, or form feel bad for the financial position he's in or think that it was an excuse to put his palms out begging for money. I do, however, feel bad for the verbal beatdown he's taking, and feel guilty at the notion I incited much of it.

Like most rants, it stems from something that has been building up for a while now. You have no idea how many big name sponsors have been saying shit like "Sorry man gotta worry about our Olympic athletes" and "Sorry we're gonna have to trim your budget down" to many of the film skiers I know over the past two years. I can't speak to any details (because I don't know any) but I'd venture to say it's not the TM's choice, and it has to come from way above them. Sure, there's always some bitching at first, but it ends in throwing on your work boots and big boy pants and making some money. So no, I don't think Matt is a piece of shit or a loser or anything remotely close to that. I just feel like this decision was knee-jerk and misguided, and maybe he needs to realize that the only person you should rely on when working towards your dreams is yourself.

After talking with some people, it seems like he felt like this was his last option? As it's been stated before, the CFSA pulled their budget recently and just said "good luck". I understand it was short notice, but how could you possibly see this as your final option? There were tons of more dignified approaches to the situation.

I'm not here to tell people not to donate, and never insinuated it. I got fucking pissed, hopped up on my high horse, and wrote a public post directed straight at the man. Do I regret writing it? No, and I'm not attempting to recant any of it. Just trying to give a more refined explanation to my feelings on the situation. And my conscience is tearing at me about the guy taking a fucking verbal beating, whether he reads it or not.
Oct 2 2013 11:55PM
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californiagrown
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I am still confused as to why he cant grab a classic "ski bum" job durring the season. he already knows his seasons schedule so he can plan his days around traveling(not even going into why he didnt work his tail off during the summer, even if he thought he was getting funded by Canada).

Any number of companies would love to hire an olympic team member. Take a fucking loan out dude. do something.

The dude is panhandleing on NS. he is a damn good looking dude, seems smart, and possess a world class skill in an area that values said world class skill. How do you not parlay that into a job?

And FWIW tons of Pro athletes work in the offseason- Minor league baseball, D-League basketball, Areana league football etc. Not the athletes in the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL or EPL...but thats because those leagues are 50x more competetive, and have players 50x more athletic than the fringe sport that is Freestlye skiing.


He seemed sincere, but it struck me as a dude who is damn spoiled.
Oct 3 2013 12:08AM
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ndye
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well, he has raised almost 9k already, and will likely make it to the 20k.

I would take a verbal and physical beating from a community of young adults for half of that.

Id say he will make it out just fine.
Oct 3 2013 12:11AM
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eheath
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The video wasn't made for NS, he made it for that websie and uploaded it to NS just to get the word out.

And professional skiers can NOT just get a ski bum job, I'm not sure what job you think would be cool with taking 1-2 weeks off every 2-3 weeks. One would be lucky to get a week of work in over a month.


I still can't believe how ignorant you guys are and how no one is reading the thread.

Pretty much every skiing related olympian does fund raising for training before the olympics and for travel to the olympics. This isn't just b-team guys, like I said before, a-team aerialists still have to do fund raising thats how it works. Sponsors don't make any money off of athletes going to the olympics, refer to rule 40 http://freeskier.com/stories/what-is-rule-40-and-how-will-it-affect-skiers-in-2014


Not every professional skier is Jon Olsson, Simon Dumont or Tom Wallisch, money is hard to come by unless you're pushing top 20 in the world. Not sure why everyone assumes professional skiers have so much money and that they have so much free time to just "get a job".
Oct 3 2013 12:15AM
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liftedresearcher
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if i was training for the olympics i don't think i'd want to be heading up north to work on the rigs or whatever and risk injuring myself.

fundraising is how most of these olympic athletes get funds to travel and everything. it's a shame that a lot of you guys just read Logan's opinion and based your's off of it.

If you don't want to donate, then don't.

I bet theres tons of local companies that would pitch some money and get a shout out from him. Its cheap advertising.

And its not like he's not giving anything back, the giveback rewards are pretty solid in my opinion.
Oct 3 2013 12:34AM
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Mr.Bishop
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This is an excellent point. We're seeing this in advertising dollars as well... we lost a massive apparel sponsor this year for the site because 'priorities changed' - and I can't help think it was tied to the olympics. I'm not naming any names... but I can tell you this was like a full employee's salary type hit to the site.

There's all this olympics hype, all this money hype... yet it doesn't seem to properly trickle down to the people truly pushing the movement forward. Sure Shawn White got a shitload of skrilla over the O-dubs... but did anyone else see a dime, or did he just buy a shitload of cocaine and fast cars?

I as well Mr. Imlach sympathize with you over being someone who works a 'real' job. Though my job is with Newschoolers, I do not see the rockstar lifestyle many might think. I slog through the mud every single fucking day trying to make a buck and keep this site afloat. I ski way less than I care to admit, and I work my nutsack off. Pro skiers sometimes seem like whiney children when talking about their lives.... though I do need to remember that there was a time in my life where I would have killed to live like that.

In the end I think that its all just skiing. The wonderful and terrible part of this thing is that its really just a leisure activity and the pursuit of it as a goal leads us to an incredibly philosophically complicated life of wondering if what we do means anything or not.

In the end I don't even think I have a conclusion. I really like Logan Imlach, and I really like Matt Margetts. Both offer me very different experiences in my enjoyment in skiing, and neither of them are right in the way they go about it.

I do however know that I REALLY am enjoying the debate about this. I wish we really busted open more of the real issues in skiing. Its fun to actually get some quality opinions on stuff vs. the regular media fluff we always read.
Oct 3 2013 1:07AM
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californiagrown
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dude could have easily gotten summer jobs to pay bills. There is really only about 4 months out of the whole year where he couldnt have a 40hr/week job. 2 full time jobs during the summer, 1 full time evening job during fall/late spring.

I realize it isnt quite that simple, but i refuse to believe that he busted his ass as hard as he could throughout the entire year to EARN enough money to get him through this 1 ski season.

I think fundraising for purely your own benefit is begging, and just plain morally wrong.



Oct 3 2013 1:23AM
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ndye
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matt, sell drugs. problem solved
Oct 3 2013 1:38AM
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schism
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At the same time, could he work those hours and train at an olympic level?

I would think that a lot of the athletes going for the olympics are training as much as possible, hitting water ramps, tramps and lifting.

I totally see where you're coming from though, as I worked upwards of 70 hours in the summer to pay for skiing and such.
Oct 3 2013 2:00AM
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albatross.
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this is the discussion i have wanted to see in the ski community for SO LONG but unfortunately its all twisted because matt margetts is the wrong guy to have it around. i agree with so much of what everyone has been saying, especially that logan dude, but i just cant fully agree with matts face plastered at the top of it.

margetts worked hard for the opportunities he got, and doors never opened as easy for him as they did for others. when the silver star freestyle kids were all filming with jeff thomas for theory 3, marg came out and filmed with us, a bunch of random kids under the name enhanced media whos movie would get pretty much no exposure, worked just as hard as he would have if we were poorboyz productions, and produced some insanely sick parts.I remember theory 3 went back after and hit all the same spots we did, but none of their shit was as good as what marg filmed there and I believe he was filming parts for jeff a year or two after that.

basically other kids got to jump right in while margetts had to put in work and prove himself, which has more or less been his story up to here.

did matt have better opportunities than 99.9% of the ski community? fuck yes. he had an incredibly supportive family and a freestyle program that included a big air site with a chopped landing and coaching.

did matt have as good opportunities as the majority of people he is competing against? fuck no.

this is where a lot of you are kidding yourselves

professional skiing is not an equal opportunity landscape. if you wanna compete with the top kids in halfpipe you gotta be able to hit the water ramps all summer and ski every day all winter, or you will fall behind so fast. most pro skiers have rich parents (or middle class parents who spent every dime on them as a kid) who enable them to do nothing but ski, but some don't and they gotta find a way to stay competitive. thats why marg's face is on the homepage.

can you shred backcountry and film a sick urban rail part while working hard all summer to fund your time? sure!

can you land an absurd up-to-par halfpipe run perfectly every time and expect to beat bobby brown (or whoever skis pipe these days) while skiing 6 months a year? fuck no

the consistency and level required to compete at pipe at an olympic level requires a full time commitment, a commitment that margetts has the ability and drive to achieve but not the money.



TL;DR: This is a good discussion to have around pro skiing that we should keep alive, but not around margetts specifically because he deserves this chance.
Oct 3 2013 2:05AM
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Swervasaurus
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not a chance can you work 2 summer jobs and expect to be a competitive athlete at the olympic level. all the other riders are out on glaciers/nz/ water ramps or whatever trying some crazy ass dub that none of the other fuckers have figured out yet. if you come to the olympics with the same run you left last season with because you could only ski enough to "maintain" in the summer your gonna be toasted. mike d and uncle easy e are gonna talk you down by your third hit because dumont and torins down the pipe dub flatspins are as high as your rusty right 9s.
its the truth its not like phelps was rippin bong on his way to a part time job at the water park 4 months before olympics
Oct 3 2013 2:48AM
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Swervasaurus
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i mean unless you have the dankest buds on the glacier and your refining the methlemine in the lodge every 4 runs
Oct 3 2013 2:51AM
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coolflash8
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north face?
Oct 3 2013 3:44AM
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EARL
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Thank god for Eheath.
Oct 3 2013 4:39AM
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urbanjib
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No shit.

And Im trying to figure out where these kids are getting the idea that a ski bum summer job can equate to 20k dollars, and not think of living cost/food/gas is taken out to get to said job...


Oct 3 2013 7:07AM
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ski0
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I just want to point out that I watched the video, and Matt has absolutely terrible form on his power clean. Especially for a guy without a job . I mean common, do you even lift bro?
Oct 3 2013 9:35AM
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Elg
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I'll donate a couple dollars.

Oct 3 2013 9:44AM
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Huck_Norris
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I bet you hold your poop in just to stick it to the toilet too, don't you?
Oct 3 2013 9:45AM
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Pipe_Munky
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Just fucking wow...

A little bitter are we?
As a prominant "athlete" in this industry I need to say you're a real fucking douche! Seriously, where do you get off shitting on someone's dream? Was he blinded by the "olympic rings of shit"? No! The Olympics are the dream of most high level athletes not because of the Olympic idea but because you are representing your country at the highest level of sport.

Will the Olympics affect your travelling around in a van and hitting rails? Probably not. Will the Olympics get more twin tip skis off the shelf? Fucking right it will. Sorry if skiing won't be as "core" anymore as a lot of people would like it to be but that's called evolution.
Oct 3 2013 9:47AM
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hey-dude-its-me
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there are tons of jobs like this in my industry alone (retail merchandising). lowest level possible but you set your own hours and make about $15 hr doing as much or little as you want.

even still a bad job is better than no job, fuck this guy
Oct 3 2013 10:29AM
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SFB
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because salomon hates those damn punks.
Oct 3 2013 10:30AM
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joshua
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At first I thought that this campaign was incredibly selfish, and I still don't agree with it, but here are my thoughts on this.

It probably wasn't wise to post the campaign on NS. This site is full of people who do what they can to ski as much as they possibly can, and more than a handful of people with their own hopes and dreams to make it in skiing. While other Olympic sports are build around competition, a large portion of NS (and skiers in general) could not care less about the Olympics or competition in general, and thus the concept and worth of an "Olympic dream" is lost on a lot us. To a lot of us, at first glance this campaign seems like a plea for a free ride.

Now, I personally could never see myself starting a campaign like this even if I was in the position to go to the Olympics. Sure, the Olympics are cool and all, but there are millions of other far more needy charities that money could go to instead, even with in skiing itself, such as Alpine Initiatives and the High Fives Foundation. Something about an able-bodied young male who is more than likely perfectly financially stable aside from whatever debts he has acquired from, just doesn't sit well with me.

Finally, I don't want this to seem like a potshot at Margetts, I'm sure he is a great guy, and while I personally don't much at all about the Olympics, I can see where he is coming from here. His funding just got cut, he hasn't had time to save up, and if he wants stay in a position where he is qualified to go, he has to train and treat skiing like a full-time job.

Its a tough spot, and personally, I think he could have gone about raising money in a much more respectable way. For starters, I think he should have emphasized on the products he is offering in returns for donations. Treat it like a pro sale with marked up prices, not a blatant "donation type" fundraiser. Or take out a loan or something, I don't know. The proposal just seemed kind of whiny, that's all.

I feel bad for Margetts though, he is taking a lot of hate for this, and I feel like he is becoming the scapegoat for a lot of pent up Olympic hate from people.
Oct 3 2013 11:31AM
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joshua
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*debts acquired from skiing
Oct 3 2013 11:33AM
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A^frame
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Understanding that every Olympian does fund raising is great. I say come up up with an original, hilarious, outside the box fundraiser and blow everyone's mind. This is NS! know your audience and you will see a great response. This sport has evolved with creativity. Come up with a creative approach and people will buy into it. Fundraising websites are not original.
Oct 3 2013 11:42AM
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Huck_Norris
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This is the part I think most people don't understand. Skiers'go WAY into debt going to something like the Olympics if they're not a top-tier sought after endorsing athlete. Why would you say in one breath "Oh man, yeah we want you to represent team USA... But if you live this dream for any amount of time without taking the gold you'll likely never own a house, have enough money to take care of yourself if something happens or probably even be able to maintain a lifestyle somewhere above homeless for the majority of the trip."

I guess it doesn't make much sense that an industry with so much money can treat it's athletes- the driving force behind the personification of their brands and the sport itself- like bums on the street more often than not when it's their ass on the line quite literally.

"Break yourself on your own dime in the opes that someday we will give enough of a fuck about you to fund something"


I honestly don't know how you guys do it. My hat is off to anybody chasing their dream on an uphill climb, and if that means begging your way there I'm cool with that too. Not sure why everyone is so upset about this. Skiing is a rich person's sport first and foremost- the rest of us are almost always left paying catch up as a result but it's a catch 22 for sure- if you don't win you aren't sponsored, but if you aren't sponsored in some form you'll probably never get there to be able to win in the first place.








Oct 3 2013 11:56AM
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Petey.
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Bitter? It's the Olympics. Rules, rules, and more rules. Did you forget the sport in question is freeskiing? This isn't fucking figure skating or some dumb shit. Our sport doesn't have rules for a reason - so you can do whatever you want, progress the sport and never have to worry about limitations. Yeah, cool, we're getting some recognition, but fuck anyone who thinks this is the best thing for our sport.
Oct 3 2013 12:00PM
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GritznGravy
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To everyone being so negative:

Chill out, be respectful, and get your opinion out there by all means. But don't act like a child and spew hate all up and down a message board because you think you're a harder worker, more poor, or just think Matt Margetts is the worst guy in the world. A totally effective means of communicating your opinion could read as follows.

"This upsets me a bit, and I don't think this is the right way for Matt to pursue his dream. My experience leads me to believe that there are better ways to support your skiing career."

Most of you know that if you found yourself standing next to Matt Margetts after reading about his fundraiser, you wouldn't say the things you've said here. Think about it.

P.S. Notice I didn't call anyone out specifically here. I just quoted the first reply that I saw that fit the description of what I was talking about. A call out I am willing to make though? Iberg, your grasp of the proper grammar and usage of the English language could be better. Reading your posts is painful sometimes. It's all love though, maybe just think about a quick proofread ever now and then.
Oct 3 2013 12:05PM
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scofield
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Amen. The Olympics is taking a massive toll on all the production crews right now. Athletes depend on what little budget they have in order to travel and make their segment for the year. Production crews have seen a staggering decline in sponsor funding, and the majority of production companies must find other sources of funding (i.e. commercial work, loans, etc) which makes it even more difficult to focus on the main project. I believe the Olympics will benefit the industry in the long run, but in the short term it has had a real negative impact to the majority of those living off the industry and trying to grow the sport creatively, not competitively.
Oct 3 2013 12:24PM
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JahSpriggs
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THIS, sucks we needed the olympic to be a "legit sport"..... like skating and surfing did......not
Oct 3 2013 12:32PM
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djikstra
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I'm confused what this thread is even debating? The argument that donating to him is just giving your money to FIS or something is irrelevant and I've never been so disgusted by ns. Yeah he can get a summer job and pay for stuff but its really really expensive and put him at a disadvantage. yes he's lucky to be able to live the lifestyle as  a professional skier, does that mean he doesn't deserve a shot at the olympics directly because of his finances? It's really simple, you give him money you help him with going to the olympics, dont worry about who's getting that money. you don't want to donate then don't, go donate to an american red cross or something or don't donate to anyone but what good comes from saying fuck the olympics or arguing to others that he doesn't deserve your money? anything but support for him or silence is unnecessary and disrespectful.  It's an opportunity to help a fellow skier, if your money is so hard earned and you think NS is a poor place to ask for aid then fine but its beyond my comprehension as to how Marg could be called out for anything here. I don't see lots of stupid kick starter campaigns getting overly scrutinized, especially by their intended "fans" yet here's a kid who's sick at what he does and loves it and asks for help and there's a fucking thread about the semantics and morality of donating? WEAK.
Oct 3 2013 12:35PM
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djikstra
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a very bad analogy but you don't have to support the war to be fully supportive of the troops! especially when they're fellow skiers!
Oct 3 2013 12:38PM
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JahSpriggs
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but honestly.... fuck the olympics:)

Oct 3 2013 12:39PM
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Huck_Norris
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Honestly this... Don't know how a site full of people who most likely got into skiing through someone else's money (namely their parents) have such a problem with the concept of someone asking for money to ski.


Oct 3 2013 12:56PM
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Blurst
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Very well stated.
Oct 3 2013 12:57PM
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DP*
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simply awesome. well put
Oct 3 2013 1:31PM
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Calb3rt
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this is going in my threads for later.
Oct 3 2013 1:58PM
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duckets
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I have no disrespect or any problem with Marg asking people to donate to help him achieve his goal. That is perfectly fine and tbh i think it would be great to help the guy make it to the olympics. BUT the rewards his sponsors are giving out, the trips, the gear, all that has to come close to the $20,000 mark, if not, at least a huge chunk. why don't these sponsors take the money from the free shit theyre about to give out and just pay his way to the olympics. it just seems a bit odd to me!
Oct 3 2013 2:15PM
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00000000
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And this is why Newschoolers is awesome.

I don't see a any other media sources (mind you, I'm not actively looking) featuring this type of debate -- which is a total shame because this discussion NEEDS to happen. It's awesome reading all the replies in this thread, as I was kind of left with a sour taste in my mouth after seeing a lot of reaction's to the original...

Props to everyone who took the time to share their opinions!
Oct 3 2013 2:21PM
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skodeo7
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Couldn't agree more. Seeing NS' knee-jerk reaction is pretty tough to read, especially knowing Marg, he's such a good guy. On the flip side, seeing the ridiculous amount of assholes responding to the original article was enough to make me donate.

It's been said more than once but it would literally be impossible to train on an Olympic level and maintain any sort of job other than a freelance crack dealer. An athlete on that level has a completely different amount of preparation and time dedication to achieving their goals.
Oct 3 2013 2:25PM
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crawley
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Are we sure Matt doesn't have a summer job? I mean, is it possible that he is working his ass off and still not coming up with the cash to train? Maybe this was covered and I missed it. Love or hate the Olympics, they aren't nearly as much a test of talent as they are a test of practice and commitment, the dude who shows up with the most quality hours of "training" is going to win nine times out of ten once you get to the elite level.
Oct 3 2013 2:52PM
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Huck_Norris
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Seriously, I've been kind of annoyed/bored with NS lately but this brought me right back and then some.

This is a fucking awesome discussion and hopefully it's giving people a better idea of how things like being chosen for the Olympic team actually work.


Oct 3 2013 2:53PM
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nickmcnutt
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Seriously, the best post in this thread.

Nobody's holding a gun to your head telling you to donate. Matt asked (politely, I'll add) for help getting him to the Olympics. For those of you saying "get a job", the games are in 4 months. I'll let you figure that one out yourselves. It's now or never for Matt.

Not every "pro" skier has endless financing handed to them on a silver platter, and here's Matt, asking the community (online, not specifically NS, I'm sure he's aware that 99% of the funds will have to come outside of newschoolers) to support him if they are able. His funding was cut, and he can either turn to a funding campaign like he has (and many other have) or give up on the dream. Put yourself in his shoes. I'm sure it took alot of guts to come out and ask for what he has, and the very website that should be the most verbally supportive has little to say other than some serious hating. It's embarrassing to even read, I can't imagine how he feels reading through these posts.

Sure you need your money to go skiing yourself. Fair enough, so do I. But that doesn't mean that someone with medal contention in the fucking Olympic Games should just give up on all the hard work over the past few years working towards going. If you can't help him, then don't. Quit fucking flaming the hell out of one of your fellow skiers, trying to make it into the worlds biggest stage to represent "newschool skiing".

The Olymics are certainly bullshit on many levels, but possibly only rivalled by some of your posts, NS.

WEAK is right.
Oct 3 2013 3:40PM
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nickmcnutt
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well, I shit the bed yet again posting on mobile. my apologies for the triple post. i meant to quote LJ.
Oct 3 2013 3:42PM
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Bateman
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sounds safe. i heard he flies naked.
Oct 3 2013 3:43PM
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MKeller91
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Line should do one of these to buy Andy more socks
Oct 3 2013 3:57PM
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JAHrig
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Im with LJ and Mcnutt on this for sure. Im no huge fan of the olympics and freesking and I think most every angle of this has already been expressed. But this guy obviously works so hard at this and competing at that high of a level is whole different ball game then trying to make a film segment (not that I respect either more or less) and it disgusts me to see some of the comments especially from figures in the industry who I previously had a lot of respect for. People need to grow up.
Oct 3 2013 4:06PM
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Mr.Bishop
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There is a damn balanced debate going on here, and I think its important to note that fact. There are just as many people pouring out support as there are hating on the thing. With anything in life - and especially with someone who puts themselves on the worlds stage for scrutiny - there are differing opinions.

The fact that since going up here he's achieved almost half of his funding goal is by no meansa co-incidence. Any online community has vocal haters - which can absolutely enrage you - but for every one members there's 100 lurkers just watching what is happening.

This is an important debate to have, and its awesome to see so many people coming out to defend what he's doing. Its also awesome that those who don't like it have a platform where they can voice their frustrations with the whole setup.

What is really great is the fact that he's getting closer and closer to his goal with every day that passes. Those who want to support him get a chance to be a part of the story where the community banded together and sent one of our own out to the big show. Those people are fucking stoked, and Matt is stoked.

I am trying to convince him that he needs to come on here and speak his mind. There is nothing worse than staying quiet in a situation like this, and I think that if Matt jumped on here he'd see that for every one hater there's a ton of us who want to support him - irrelevant of your stance on the Olympics.

Oct 3 2013 4:10PM
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t_rob
Posts: 6433 - Karma: 11,458
The problem was this was never about Marg. The hate was all generated by opinions on whether the Olympics should exist or not. Maybe things would have been different if an NS favorite like Wally, Henrik, or maybe even Torin was fundraising and it hit the forums.

I think LJ said it best, you don't have to support the war to support the troops.

I support Marg.

Try to get Marg to come on here but try to also get Dylan Ferguson as well.
Oct 3 2013 4:39PM
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