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Why are there no female pro urban skiers?

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gouda
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Just watched Never Not (Nike snowboarding movie) and saw Jess Kimura for the first time, she was slaying urban pretty hard. Then I started wondering why I have never seen any female skiers in the urban scene.
Sep 17 2013 2:17AM
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eheath
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Girls used to hit rails like 6 or 7 years ago, hopefully this new wave of girls does. Kelly hit a few mellow rails in her pvs seg.
Sep 17 2013 2:20AM
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stupendous-man
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Now that I think about it, the only time I can recall is in Eye Trip where Kaya hits a few spots.
Sep 17 2013 2:31AM
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t_rob
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Jess is in a league of her own. Check out her edit barely pt 2 and her real snow women edit as well.

Kaya has an sbc cover doing urban but that is also my #2 on my list of things that are wrong with urban.
Sep 17 2013 2:35AM
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Tikayt
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Generally speaking, girls somehow can't manage to compete with men urbanwise or parkwise. Since it's a business, why promote a girl who can do things that were done in edits posted in 2003 when you can shoot a rider taking the sport to a next level. I mean that's unfair and maybe sexist but this is how it is.

And I am actually happy to see that in skiing, girls actually have a respected place compared to other sports.
Sep 17 2013 3:59AM
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Crispy.
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...so hard not to post something which will get me banned...
Sep 17 2013 7:37AM
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CrotchKiller
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Jess takes some of the worst falls I've seen hitting urban.
Sep 17 2013 7:54AM
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Yaraelpoof.png
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The fight is real. Stay strong and don't post
Sep 17 2013 8:18AM
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arnie_grape
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because it's hard work
Sep 17 2013 9:27AM
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One.2
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Was gonna comment that shizzz. She had a pretty sick seg in that movie.
Sep 17 2013 11:02AM
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Session
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Urban is a niche segment, of a small part(park/freestyle), of a pretty uncommon sport(skiing as a whole). That is already pretty lean on chicks. It's not rocket science.
Sep 17 2013 11:13AM
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T.Karlsen
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this.. also you film urban for the unique shots, buys will easier provide that simply cause they're better on a average.
Sep 17 2013 12:39PM
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Mag
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I think female snowboarders are doing a lot more urban than skiers, there's some impressive stuff in here, sure it's nothing compared to what some of the insane guys are doing, but a lot of it is more than I'd be doing

Sep 17 2013 12:51PM
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corona
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because they all die

PMS #1: Darrah's Leap of Faith from peepshow on Vimeo.

Sep 17 2013 12:53PM
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Mag
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That's one lucky girl


Sep 17 2013 12:54PM
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whoa-dere
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didnt maude hit urban in some meathead movie
Sep 17 2013 1:02PM
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gouda
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That does make sense. But at the same time as far as I know there are not that many more good girl snowboarders than girl skiers and there are at least a few snowboard girls who are into urban. Of course it could just be that snowboarding is still a little bit ahead of skiing when it comes to the sports progression.
Sep 17 2013 1:13PM
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DIX~
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Kaya kills it in Eye Trip
Sep 17 2013 1:23PM
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Session
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Chicks that snowboard generally have a grimier baseline than skier chicks who most likely started out racing until their daddy issue led them to rebel, and start hanging out in the park.
Sep 17 2013 1:27PM
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Casey
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From a business persoective, its about selling skis. The riders themselves are totally irrelevent except to push product. So how is a guy pro throwing triples supposed to convince your average woman skier to buy a new pair of boards?
Sep 17 2013 6:07PM
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Girays_Brother
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because they "dont have to" and still get paid, I got a lot more respect for snowboard chicks. They push their limits every year in Back country and Urban every year, not just competitions hitting the small side of the jump half the time..

I'd like to see a girl slayin urban, Kaya tried but I think she went with the "dont have to" mentality, and kim lamarre used to
Sep 17 2013 6:51PM
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t_rob
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exactement.
Sep 17 2013 7:07PM
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willysworld
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This made me laugh very hard.. thank you for making my day that much better..
Sep 17 2013 8:11PM
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Balto
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I mean honestly it would be a pretty boring segment with most girls. The level that urban is at now I do not see girls catching up to or even close anytime soon. In the past girl's segments in movies have really been a lot of filler that should have been used by a guy to put out a good part

not saying that girls CAN"t hit urban, but most probably suck and it wouldn't be worth watching
Sep 17 2013 8:15PM
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mode2n
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I was watching Never Not too, and also came to the same conclusion, some of the stuff those girls were throwing was on par with the mens, (gap the flat to last down). Meanwhile, in skiing, Red Bull sets up a private airbag session for Kaya
Sep 17 2013 8:22PM
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Miomo
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There are
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Kelly Sildaru
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Sep 17 2013 8:56PM
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JoshWong
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Cause there aren't too many urban rails in the kitchen...
Sep 17 2013 10:23PM
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Miclovin
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they dont have the balls.
Sep 17 2013 10:48PM
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GrahamGould
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In some of the MSP movies from around 10 years ago there are shots of sarah burke hitting some urban rails. Its not very common, but sometimes you see it.
Sep 17 2013 11:48PM
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katrina
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do you have any idea how hard it is to convince a group of dudes to bring a girl to hit urban
Sep 17 2013 11:52PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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not hard? Any time i've hit urban, if a chick was begging to come along, no one would have said no. But there were no chicks begging.
Sep 18 2013 1:34AM
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CREASTON
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Kristi Leskinen circa 2002 PBP's "Happy Dayz" she hits a nice downrail over cheese grater stairs and takes some tumbles... but she gets the shot.

I'd post it but don't have a vhs to youtube converter... shit was $ though
Sep 18 2013 2:58AM
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Mag
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Duh... dress up as trevor
Sep 18 2013 9:52AM
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Mr.Sloth
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I got banned for saying that once....






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Sep 18 2013 10:23AM
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TimRiley
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They'd have to shovel snow...
Sep 18 2013 10:24AM
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Blunttip360
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I remember In Advanced Visions : Assault (Canadian Skiers) that one of the girls was getting down on some urban. This was b4 kfeds being the norm but it was stll girl urban.
Sep 18 2013 11:47AM
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katrina
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now theres an idea
Sep 18 2013 12:25PM
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annex_
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probably partly because of this perception. I mean...why try if you're just gonna get shat on and ripped apart by the people who are always the first ones to bitch about not seeing girls do something like guys do or as well as guys?
also i'm assuming partly because of the perception that it's higher risk and more commitment than just going to an already groomed park with comfortable lifts.
I'd be stoked to see more girls hitting urban. I'm hitting my first urbans this winter.
Sep 18 2013 12:58PM
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katrina
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It's because girls make their money and their "fame" and their reputations on competitions for the most part. As more girls get into freeskiing, this will change, we are already seeing that with little miss sildaru. But it isn't easy, guys who know what they are doing dont want to mess up the "vibe" which I understand, and I've been invited on countless super sketchy urban missions but I like the idea of remaining physically intact.

Urban is very high risk, arguably too high of a risk if you are pursuing a competition season, which is why fewer girls break into it. Also most girls purchase their skis because they match their jacket and boots not because they saw "so and so" hit an urban rail.

It's womens skiing...
Sep 18 2013 1:14PM
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Troy.
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EricaMN everybody!

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Sep 18 2013 1:35PM
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t_rob
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When it comes down to it, some girl just needs to man up and do it.(Or some other idiom along the lines of being tough, most of them having to do with aquiring testosterone.)

There aren't girl urban skiers because there aren't girl urban skiers. It's circular.

Please don't point out pictures of Kaya from 3 years ago or whatever flat rail grete hit in ski porn. Those are the exception.

To see a girl break the urban mold, I want to see one of them hit a true gnar urban feature; not something that could be found at half of the terrain parks in the world on any given weekend.

Sep 18 2013 1:43PM
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skiierman
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Wrong. If you wear tight pants, you're a girl. No man can handle their package being so tightly wrapped while preforming impressive physical maneuvers.

It is impossible... like a woman making a career in hockey, basketball, field hockey, lacrosse, soccer, softball...
Sep 18 2013 1:47PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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stupid cunt. did you not see the snowboard girls urban segment earlier in the thread? They may have not been doing 610's out on quad kinks, but they were trying their hardest and doing some creative urban shit. And no one "shat on and ripped them apart". And yes i am complaining that female skiers aren't even TRYING to do better in urban. And if you girls who have the mentality you present really aren't hitting urban because its higher risk and less comfortable, you really deserve no respect at all. I don't see EricaMN whining.
Sep 18 2013 1:54PM
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Dr.Dickless
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because you touch yourself to their pics at night
Sep 18 2013 2:07PM
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errrka
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I feel like a lot of it is that we, women skiers, are just not to that level yet. I love to ride park, but still struggle with urban on. I've gone on some urban expeditions with the boys, but the rails they're hitting, quad kink, closeout to 10ft drop, etc., there is no way I could hit those or the other girls I know. So I help build the run in, landing, pull the bunjee and film. Most of the time urban features are more complex, more kinks and turns and drops that, for me at least, are just way above my skill level. And I feel like for the average girl skier it's the same way, if I could fin a rail/wall like the one EricaMN is hitting I so would, but my area doesn't really have "easy" urban.
Second, you really need a group of people to make urban happen. The boys don't want to take the time to set up an easy urban rail when they can go hit a quad kink. It's just how it is, and me and the only other freestyle girl I know aren't going to be able to set up everything needed in a nice amount of time just for a easy urban rail.
And as for the snowboarding girl dilemma. A lot of it, I think, is that they are still a little more advanced in progression. They also have a bigger group to pool from. Snowboarding is still more popular among girls than freestyle skiing. Therefore, you can have more girls do more risky things.
In my personal opinion its way easier to hit an urban rail on a snowboard than skis.

It's not about the balls to hit an urban rail, its about the ability.
Sep 18 2013 2:10PM
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because their vagina gets in the way of the jib
Sep 18 2013 2:11PM
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katrina
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dont you just hate that. id say its the boobs, throws off the center of mass. its a fact of science.
Sep 18 2013 2:12PM
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amo
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Jeses the person that hit her didn't even get out of the car...
Sep 18 2013 2:30PM
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gouda
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Aren't we all freeskiers here? Roots of freeskiing are all about not caring about "perception" and what others think. I think the only reason that girls should not be doing urban is if they don't want to be be doing urban, no other reason is a good reason.
Sep 18 2013 3:33PM
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errrka
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That's the dream, but look at this thread. Every comment a pinkname has made has been downvoted and every comment a guy has made has been upvoted.
It's not a coincidence.
Sep 18 2013 3:48PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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because what we're seeing are excuses. When i first started hitting urban it was me and 2 other kids. We built a huge kicker to a tiny low consequence handrail, for no reason than we thought it was fun. I'm still not great, but none of the pinknames have given a respectable reason as to why they arent at least trying like snowboarders. Whats stopping you from grabbing some other beginning urban freeskiers and planning your own urban mission? If you really aspire to be an urban filmer, go for it!!! But the message you and others are saying is its too hard to learn. No its not. If i can learn, so can you. Be your own motivator, dont rely on others to do the work for you. Naturally im a shitty freeskier, but since ive put in the effort im at least respectable now.

If you don't want the hate give a real answer as to why your not hitting urban. Maybe you just don't want to, so just say it. Or if you do want to, just learn. Its really that simple and it doesn't take a massive amount of testosterone to do.
Sep 18 2013 3:57PM
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