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New powder ski?

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Pancake_Fucker
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Hey guys I'm looking for a new powder ski and just do not know what I should choose. I already have a pair of hellbents 179 and 2011 sfb 172. I'm looking for a longer ski (180+) that is not as bulky as the hellbent, can charge decently well and handle mostly powder but also get me back to the lift, and is also playful enough to jump into a backcountry kicker session. I've been looking at the atomic automatic and the bentchetlers, and also the pettitors, but am open to any suggestions. 5 foot 11 and 150 pounds. Thanks guys!
Aug 1 2013 11:13AM
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Profahoben_212
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Check out the moment bibby! Sounds like exactly what you are looking for in a ski!
Aug 1 2013 11:26AM
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Pancake_Fucker
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How does it handle the crud a couple days after a powder day?
Aug 1 2013 11:29AM
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Pancake_Fucker
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Should also add I plan on putting at bindings on them. Either guardians or barons.
Aug 1 2013 11:30AM
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VD.
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The Caylors sound like they would be a pretty good suit, take a look at my review of them here -http://aslansskiblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/on3p-caylor-ski-review.html (sorry if the clicky doesn't work, I'm on mobile) Also if you're wanting to hit BC booters, I'd stay away from frame AT binders. I've never hit a BC booter with my frame AT bindings, but I wouldn't want to. If you are considering hitting BC booters, skiing in bounds and doing some touring all on one pair of skis, maybe look at quiver killer binding inserts as a solution. But if you're set on frame AT bindings, take a look at this overview of the market and the choices out there that I wrote - http://aslansskiblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/guardian-duke-epf-mfd-and-adrenalin.html (again apologies for the lack of clicky). Lastly, I presume since your looking at the Barons, it's the 13 DIN Guardian/Tracker you've got in mind?
Aug 1 2013 6:45PM
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VD.
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^If someone could make the links 'clickies', I'd appreciate it.
Aug 1 2013 6:46PM
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Bozite
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The opus is perfect. My everyday ski. They make a 185 and slay on powder. Super playful and good on jumps. And in the crud they slay
Aug 1 2013 7:49PM
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Pancake_Fucker
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i hit booters all last year with barons and the held up, and i was looking at guardians this year. if not i'll sell my 2011 sfb and keep the griffons for these new skis and buy trekkers. I am almost at the point of designing my own ski and using that through a company in revelstoke since i'll be living there. i have the build sheet just have to go over it with the builders to see if it can be improved at all. trying to make a mix of the opus' rocker, the bent chets flex, and the pettitors dimensions.
Aug 1 2013 9:21PM
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SSchepkowski
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check out the new barrons, pretty low and really wide. they're gonna drive better than any at binding on the market other than dukes. seem killer! + if you dont have salomon boots they say other boots dont work very well in gardians
Aug 1 2013 9:26PM
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Pancake_Fucker
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i have spk pros but i'll take a look at the barons! and i had some friends with guardians last year with no complaints so idk
Aug 1 2013 9:29PM
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1kewldewd
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4frnt yle 187 it would be perfect.
Aug 1 2013 10:42PM
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SAGA*
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The best pow ski I have ever owned is the new Armada Magic J! These things slayed everything I threw at them this year! They are wide enough to get you through the deepest of days while allowing you to get anywhere you want on the mountain. I took them to Whistler with no new snow and they destroyed the whole mountain. I have even took them through the park and they did surprisingly well! You will love them!

Cheers
Aug 2 2013 6:57PM
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snakerton
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great! it handles awesome in not perfect conditions
Aug 2 2013 7:40PM
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Dr.Dickless
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I have moment night trains, I have been very happy with them, they absolutely charge through chunder and crud, they are a little heavy for park, but they would probably be fine for a backcountry jump
Aug 2 2013 9:51PM
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Pancake_Fucker
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I have park skis. I have skis for all snow I just would like a harder charging ski than the ones I have. And a bit lighter than hellbents would be nice for touring and hucking.
Aug 2 2013 10:35PM
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malonius_funk
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My vote goes towards Bibby's or Caylors. I ride caylors and i can ski switch/jib with them but they're stiff enough to charge when I want them too, though the massive amounts of rocker can get just a little unstable at times, but that's going to happen with all skis like this. Haven't ridden the Bibby's but they're gonna be pretty similar to the caylors. and the last thing to say is that on3p construction is absolutely bombproof. I've put mine through hell and they've stood up to everything with barely a scratch.
Aug 3 2013 9:59AM
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jon@wh2o
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I'd say it's worth looking into Epic Planks. Most of the skis people are listing are just popular and not necesarily what you want. If you say you're looking for something chargey that you can still throw around on booters, a stiffer ski will be better for sure.

Aug 3 2013 1:35PM
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tomPietrowski
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Where did you hear that only salomon boots work well with guardians? That certainly is not correct. The guardian is the only touring binding with a true adjustable toe. The markers use a sliding AFD so not true height adjustment. Because I this you can really dial the fit of the guardian to any boot.
Aug 3 2013 3:27PM
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Kreech
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+1 for caylors. They straight up kill it in every condition other than boilerplate, and even then, you could do a lot worse. Jeffreys would also be sick. Use the hellbents for bottomless days and the jeffreys for everything else.
Aug 3 2013 4:02PM
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elm.
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Fat-ypus if you want to be like no other...

Aug 3 2013 5:09PM
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VD.
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"From the warning brochure:

These alpine bindings are intended to be used only with the following ski boots:

- Alpine ski boots compliant with ISO 5255 standard

AND

- Ski boots equipped with “WTR” technology” labeled kit of walking soles for touring skiing. Any use with other ski boots could cause the ski-binding-boot system to be faulty…"


It was published by Wild Snow backcountry skiing blog, and it comes up 3rd/4th down on google when you search Salomon guardian, might be why there's quite a lot of confusion about it all at the moment.

-http://www.wildsnow.com/8495/salomon-guardian-boots-backcountry/

Aug 3 2013 7:17PM
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tomPietrowski
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^ none of that means it has to be a salomon boot though, it's just saying which type of soles are safe to be used.
Aug 3 2013 7:48PM
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VD.
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I wasn't necessarily disputing your earlier comment, I was just trying to give an explanation as to why a lot of people are confused about what boots they can use in their Guardians.
Aug 3 2013 7:56PM
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tomPietrowski
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I could see how some people may get confused. Basically it just means any alpine boot or crossover boot which would be safe to use with any alpine binding. So no boots with huge rubber soles basically if you can use a boot in an alpine binding you can use it in a guardian.
Aug 3 2013 7:58PM
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VD.
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This was my understanding of it, ie. no vibram soles
Aug 3 2013 8:14PM
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tomPietrowski
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^ yep that's it.
Aug 3 2013 8:47PM
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