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Can an Edgeless skis work?

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SIMPLE.
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Ninthward has said that they will soon be dropping a completely edgeless ski explained on this page : http://ninthward.com/skis.html. although I understand it will barely work on normal groomers. To what extent will the ski be usable I.e. jumps, cannons etc. And how do you think it will affect the way your jumps jumps and rails as well as groomers would feel?
Apr 12 2013 2:21AM
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SIMPLE.
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http://ninthward.com/skis.html# here's the actual link.
Apr 12 2013 2:22AM
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SIMPLE.
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http://ninthward.com/ sorry my phones being weird
Apr 12 2013 2:24AM
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liftedresearcher
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damn dude maybe you should just stick to browsing the forums rather than posting.
Apr 12 2013 2:43AM
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eheath
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Define "work" ha

I feel like edgeless skis are only actually practical for hitting urban rails that are not hitable with normal skis.
Apr 12 2013 2:52AM
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Flowbear
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Well this year i used my salomon thrusters from like 5 years ago for a rail jam and their basically edgeless and what edge they have left are completely dull and dont help at all and on rails they're great and u never catch but on groomers theyre extremely ackward to ski cause u cant get an edge in unless the snows soft. So unless all u do is rails or urban i wouldnt reccomend gettin them.
Apr 12 2013 7:49AM
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NinetyFour
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Both line and moment have made them for their team riders and interns and stuff like that before. I think I had heard that some moment interns unleashed on a slushy spring park with them and they were some of the funnest skis they ever rode. Then line, pretty sure the TC guys have edge less skis for doing some of the jibs that they do. I've also seen pics of John Kutcher trying to rip some ON3P edges out to hit some gnar urban. The skis would work for soft conditions and be pretty good on rails. But without a steel edge, there's a lack of grip on hard snow which is obvious, but also a lack of grip on rails for spins. Hopefully that helps ya OP.
Apr 12 2013 8:57AM
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Holte
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all you gotta do is mount up a pair of jumping waterskis from the 70s.
Apr 12 2013 9:32AM
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skiierman
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Park rats don't know how to use their edges anyways so I can see this catching on pretty quickly.
Apr 12 2013 9:41AM
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first_rodeo
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this
Apr 12 2013 9:48AM
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Saga.
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Forum made a completely edgeless board years and years ago. It was marketed as a cheap board for hitting street rails with. It was garbage. The base and sidewalls got all torn up and ruined so fast. The metal edge is important to keep your board or ski from getting destroyed by minor hits I think.

The only real need for not having edges would be if you're trying to slide things like Will Wesson does. Aka picket fences and tenis court nets. Or I guess if you're exclusively riding deep powder you probably don't need edges.
Apr 12 2013 10:07AM
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404404
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Only good for urban, and would be dumb as shit in the park. You need edges to make a turn.
Apr 12 2013 11:03AM
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TristonHall
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Oh Andy, thou art so wise
Apr 12 2013 11:04AM
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SKIU4EA
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I have a pair of skis with absolutely no edges and this is very accurate. Except i don't see any difference in gripping rails.


Like everyone said, they're good for urban and actually skiable in soft snow. Forget about carving off jumps with hard snow, or skiing on any hard snow for that matter. And yea, the sidewalls/base get trashed extremely fast without and metal support.
Apr 12 2013 11:27AM
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jermhy
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If you'd read what they actually said about the ski, they said it is strictly for urban, so one would assume it wouldn't be that good on jumps, cannons, etc.
Apr 12 2013 11:35AM
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corona
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ever seen the MSP movie Focused?
Apr 12 2013 11:56AM
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corona
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they say that so they have no liability when someone decides to take the ski down a groomer and can't stop because there are no edged, slams into a tree and dies. It's not because it won't perform well on a jump
Apr 12 2013 11:59AM
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corona
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although landing a jump without edges would suck unless you land pretty much perfectly every time
Apr 12 2013 11:59AM
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ShredMasterPlus
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Dunno what the story on these are but they look pretty funky.

Apr 12 2013 4:15PM
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cheener12
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haha that was sick!
Apr 12 2013 4:21PM
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ShredMasterPlus
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Shit sorry for the autoplay, doesn't usually do that when I copy the embed code from vimeo
Apr 12 2013 4:22PM
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Crehm
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Imagine the iciest snow you have ever skied. All skiing is now like that. You need edges.
Apr 12 2013 4:26PM
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406
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ive been skiin without an inside edge for a season now....no big deal.
Apr 12 2013 4:27PM
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AndrewGravesSV
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They have rocker across the base and tip and tail rocker. The base looks like canoe haha
Apr 12 2013 4:33PM
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stupendous-man
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edges are raised up a bit so they dont contact the snow unless you are turning.
Apr 12 2013 4:33PM
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Kebec
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so, snowboarding on skis?
Apr 12 2013 4:34PM
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loganimlach
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moment's edgeless design (the frankenski) is fucking sweet. it embeds the edges so that you still retain the strength that they provide the ski, but have the advantage of no edges. granted, they are sketchy on hard snow, but great on urban and in spring slush.
Apr 12 2013 4:37PM
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FunkySane
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This stuff seems quite interesting, i have my old masterminds and the edges are fucked up. Might just mod them into basically edgeless skis!
Apr 12 2013 4:58PM
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fghtoffyrdmns
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basically its a ski for urban only is what ive deduced....ninthward gets funky with their designs ahah
Apr 12 2013 5:35PM
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SIMPLE.
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Do they still sell these?
Apr 13 2013 2:34AM
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Randy_Marsh
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fuckin autoplay. but yeah, from what i gather edgeless skis are prime on sketchy rails and pow, otherwise not so worth it
Apr 13 2013 2:41AM
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SIMPLE.
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On top of this what are the general thoughts on the game changer I.e. plastic grind plate. How well would this work with groomers, jumps etc.
Apr 13 2013 3:24AM
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Tanner-D
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Haven't been sold
Apr 13 2013 9:15AM
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loganimlach
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They'll be on sale this season
Apr 13 2013 10:18AM
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SIMPLE.
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Sorry, I don't quite understand the whole deal with their edge, can you please elaborate and how much are these going to be. Oh and just an FWI your segment in sunny alongside parker's was just mind bogglingly sick like your one foot ski slide on that ledge when you just slammed into that wall. mind=blown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apr 13 2013 1:38PM
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HOTPOSSIE
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If you want the most creative jib ski out the Frankenski is the way to go. Flexible, durable and frankly I think they do pretty well all over for a ski without a complete edge touching the ground. I guarantee it will be the smoothest sides of your life.
Apr 13 2013 1:58PM
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Malcolm
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bump because of the 2020 Bdog edgeless skis
Jan 30 2019 9:20PM
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sunsetconoisseur
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Can't wait to see how the b dogs are this year
Jan 30 2019 9:40PM
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tahoearmada20
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lord.steezusCan't wait to see how the b dogs are this year

they worked great for phil to win real ski
tanners been crushing urban on them since last year
theyre an urban specific destroyer and they weigh about two thirds of a normal ski some kids are gonna love them
Jan 30 2019 10:37PM
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suup
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Malcolmbump because of the 2020 Bdog edgeless skis


link?!
Jan 30 2019 10:39PM
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Pataguccimane
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Valid bump
Jan 30 2019 10:52PM
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tahoearmada20
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suuplink?!


https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/Outdoor-Retailer-2019-Day-1-Highlights
Jan 31 2019 12:00AM
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tahoearmada20
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suuplink?!


https://www.newschoolers.com/ski-gear-2020/manufacturer/76/Armada
Jan 31 2019 12:01AM
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SofaKingSick
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I’ve had skis with the edges ripped out underfoot and they...worked, I guess.

Eliminating the entire edge, not just underfoot, seems silly and pointless to me, especially since I think I already read that their price isn’t going to be that low
Jan 31 2019 10:16AM
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ghoti_hook
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Malcolmbump because of the 2020 Bdog edgeless skis


The noted flex pattern is a 1-2-1. I’m thinking this is about as soft as it gets since it is missing any added stability from edges. Purely hypothesized though. Feel free to correct me if anyone else has more details.
Jan 31 2019 12:20PM
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first_rodeo
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6 years later..... im still looking at this thread
Jan 31 2019 12:34PM
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SofaKingSick
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ghoti_hookThe noted flex pattern is a 1-2-1. I’m thinking this is about as soft as it gets since it is missing any added stability from edges. Purely hypothesized though. Feel free to correct me if anyone else has more details.


Wait that’s actually what armada states the flex rating as?
Jan 31 2019 12:36PM
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skiguy04
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Would ski them but I grind my edges down completely before they touch snow anyways
Jan 31 2019 3:23PM
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Eastcoastskier95
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I forgot which movie it was ben when will wesson slid that tennis court net his skis didnt have edges. And im pretty sure when the tc guys did the episode with skiing on sand they also got rid of the edges
NinetyFourBoth line and moment have made them for their team riders and interns and stuff like that before. I think I had heard that some moment interns unleashed on a slushy spring park with them and they were some of the funnest skis they ever rode. Then line, pretty sure the TC guys have edge less skis for doing some of the jibs that they do. I've also seen pics of John Kutcher trying to rip some ON3P edges out to hit some gnar urban. The skis would work for soft conditions and be pretty good on rails. But without a steel edge, there's a lack of grip on hard snow which is obvious, but also a lack of grip on rails for spins. Hopefully that helps ya OP.
Jan 31 2019 4:41PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Malcolmbump because of the 2020 Bdog edgeless skis


Impressive bumping skills.
Jan 31 2019 6:34PM
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skiguy04
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Worried I would blow up the base with disaster grinds and sniper taps

Armada! Let me product test for you!! Please
Jan 31 2019 10:54PM
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