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Not everyone is a BINDING TECH

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freeskier108
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I had some kid message me about how to adjust his salomon bindings, so that they would work for his boot. Bindings just arent that simple, especially salomon ones. If you dont know EXACTLY what youre doing, take them to a shop, it will take them 2 minutes to adjust them for you, and insure that youll have your knees saved for the rest of your life. Bindings arent like waxing or tuning, if you dont know how, leave it alone and let someone who does.
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Nov 15 2004 10:58PM
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SaraJ
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I probably wouldn't let somebody tune my skis if they didn't know what they were doing. Waxing too to some extent because you can kill your bases if you do something terribly wrong

But either way...yeah, take bindings to a shop for sure of you don't know what you're doing. Some shops won't even charge, especially if you bought your stuff there. And if they do charge, it probably won't be much.
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Nov 15 2004 11:02PM
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Pipe_Munky
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it's like people that mount their own skis. just plain retarded if you ask me






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Nov 15 2004 11:02PM
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thejackamo
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yeah, for the most part if you don't have any mechanical knowledge or don't have a shop manual to refer to about adjustments, then you'd be a lot safer going to your shop and just have them make the adjustments. at least you know that they know what they're doing.

which brings me to this point (since there's been quite a few posts about it) - i know the line bindings are marketed as 'easy to use' and 'adjustable' and all of that, but that doesn't mean that you can just slap the bindings on the skis, adjust them yourself and then go out and ride. unless you have a manual that shows you the steps of what to do, go to your shop. it will seriously save you from probable injuries that could occur.


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Nov 15 2004 11:11PM
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huckster989
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ok saying that mounting your own shit is retarted is just plan dumb. just cuz you aren't smart enough or know enought o mount your own bindings dosen't mean its retarted. i started mounting my own shit when it didn't matter and read some shit and learned and now i save my self a lot of money so i suggest that you and everyone else start learning cuz $60 bucks for a mount and tune IS stupid.


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Nov 15 2004 11:15PM
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thejackamo
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^well dude, not everyone has the technical know-how to mount their own stuff. you also run the risk of seriously injuring yourself if you mount your stuff wrong, ie without the proper jigs, taps, etc. normally just your bindings and an electric drill won't do it, which is what most people have.


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Nov 15 2004 11:19PM
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telestar6
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Yeah there's a reason you have to get certified to adjust and mount bindings. If you don't know what you are doing you can end up hurting yourself. And yeah Salomon bindings have lots of different adjustments so it's good to let some one who knows what they are doing deal with them.

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Nov 15 2004 11:24PM
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B-Flip
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waxing to sum extent? dude u have to be prety daum retared to fuck up waxing a ski

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Nov 15 2004 11:29PM
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freezed
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most shops here its either free or cheap to have them adjust your bindings or whatever...so i dont even know why you would do it yourself.


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Nov 15 2004 11:39PM
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SaraJ
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well for one, if your iron is too hot, it can screw your bases up. Secondly, I don't want to deal with having to scrape a ton of excess wax off or having to rewax my skis after somebody uses the wrong wax or doesn't put it on properly.

Most people with a brain wouldn't screw it up, but even people who do it for a job screw it up, so I wouldn't think it beyond any other person.
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Nov 15 2004 11:39PM
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telestar6
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Yeah usually adjusting is free but then some shops want to do a binding test which tells the amount of force it takes for the binding to realease and if the biniding is functioning according to DIN standards and that's what they charge you for.

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Nov 15 2004 11:44PM
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thejackamo
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^if you find a shop where all the techs are a bunch of bros, they'll do that sort of stuff for free for you (like P3 or kittridge in mammoth)


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Nov 15 2004 11:48PM
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J.D.
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Who the hell pays sixty bucks to get their bindings mounted?!? It costs me 10, canadian. Hell, to save ten bucks, that's too much work for me to do myself... guess I'm just lazy.

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Nov 16 2004 12:47AM
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Mahre
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thats right...pay 50 bucks for 2 minutes of their time...thats good wages...better yet...learn how to do it yourself...


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Nov 16 2004 1:16AM
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ski_Crystal
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^ true. as a pretty much poor skier, i learned how to do a lot of things with my skis beyond simple waxing and tuning and it's paid off. i have saved so much money
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Nov 16 2004 1:22AM
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hexum
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or i could adjust my bindings myself and not listen to them bitch about it being illegal for them to put the fucking things over 6 when i weigh 180 lbs and ski the shit out of my sticks
Nov 16 2004 7:51AM
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nothanks
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ya hes sorta right it helps to have a salomon binding tech certif. on the wall with your name on it. its just smarter to go to a shop and spend a few bucks


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Nov 16 2004 7:58AM
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420jibber420
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It's pretty easy to do any kind of adjustments on your binding since there';s only two of them that could be made. 1 DIN setting (set it to what ever the hell you want), shops woudnt set it higher than 6 anyway and as I heard you got salomon bindings those usually will have to be cranked up to avoide pre-release. 2. Lever adjustment for the boot - pry the lever up and move the rear piece to accomodate your boot, zs simple as that.
And since this is a salomon (don't know the model)
it might have the wing adjustment (s912ti) just tighten it so you boot doesn't wouble in the binding. My shop (sporting life) installed the bindings and I had to readjust everything anyway.

Nov 16 2004 8:10AM
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nut
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I think the point here is that binding mounting and adjustment is not rocket science, however there are dangers if you don't know what you are doing.

If you feel comfortable doing it on your own, more power to you. If you've never done it before, don't just guess at how to do it. Ask someone knowledgable to teach you, or read up on shop manuals and technical specifications and use the proper tools.

Me, I let the shop mount my bindings, but i do all my repair/tuning myself.





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Nov 16 2004 8:25AM
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d-loc
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its rocekt science... i never try cuz its so hard



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Nov 16 2004 8:30AM
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Bangor
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i have a shop release check my bindings at the beginning of every season, only because i don't have the special tool thing that they use to do that. mounting, release checks, and an occasional tune when i'm strapped for time are all the shop does for me.
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Nov 16 2004 8:43AM
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real9999
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$50 to mount bindings at a shop here. And the bindings are going into pre-drilled plates!!!!

I don't think so.
Nov 16 2004 12:13PM
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aggro_sk8
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um, my advice? find a shop that doesnt cost an arm and a leg. i will wax my skis myself, but adjusting, and deff mounting needs to be done professionally. i adjusted a pair of skis once, but set it low and cranked it up if needed. i guess one prob of me doing it is i need a copy of the mounting sheet for my job at the mountain in order to be allowed to work there.
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Nov 16 2004 12:51PM
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fdsa
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Um. Most shops do it for free. Even a lot of the online ones. Why bother?




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Nov 16 2004 12:58PM
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gambino500014
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meh, its not alot of money to get it done
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Nov 16 2004 1:00PM
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skibum193
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i mounted my urban skis toe piece myself and they work fine, even though i would never do that to skis i wud actually ski on. however, din adjustemnts are the easiest shit ever, and u just have to know not to crank them up like 3 settings. i tightened mine by 1 1/2 settings because they popped off everytime i landed this 60 ft kicker perfect

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Nov 16 2004 1:00PM
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h3ofilms
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its super easy to learn how to wax/sharpen your skis at home..it saves a shitload of cash, and its FOOLPROOF...just check google to learn

with mounting, i would definately NOT reccoment doing it unless you have the proper jig, the right drill bit that prevents you from drilling too far into/through the core, the proper glue, and a general KNOW HOW
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Nov 16 2004 1:55PM
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Moses
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i dont go to a shop to mount my skis. the one i used to work at would fuck up mounting even with a jig. my dad borrows jigs from his friend who owns a shop. at home it takes him a long ass time, but he does it right. Not like those stupid shop kids who dont give a shit (like me)
Nov 16 2004 2:01PM
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undercover_skier
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what do you think is better saving 60 $ to install your own bindings or being able to ski for the rest of your life. what a stupid question
aren't your legs and knees are worth a hell of alot more than 60 bucks
Nov 16 2004 2:04PM
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Moses
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then set the din low
Nov 16 2004 2:06PM
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Most shops will adjust your bindings for beer.
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Nov 16 2004 2:19PM
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JackBach
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hahaha. Someone up there ^ said you run the risk of hurting yourself if you mount your bindings wrong. As if having the shop mount them wrong wouldn't result in injury.

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Nov 16 2004 3:39PM
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Nov 16 2004 3:43PM
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Anyways, even if you can do it, not getting it mount at a store is renouncing to a lot of rights and liabilities and
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Nov 16 2004 3:59PM
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freeskier108
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420jibber420 is an idiot. Im glad he doesnt know a thing about bindings. If i were to pay for mounts, 50 dollars is outrageous. 25 is pretty typical, and dont bother with the new ski prep.
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Nov 16 2004 4:25PM
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freeskier108
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This post is just an idea to anyone thats trying to mess with their bindings. Its worth it for the shop guys to take 20 seconds and turn some screws, rather than having 5000 dollars and 6 months rehab for knee surgery...
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Nov 16 2004 4:29PM
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real9999
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So if I touch my binding screws my knee will explode?

What it comes down to is that the person doing the work will determine whether the bindings are mounted and set correctly. A shop with a inexperienced kid can fuck things up and a guy with the right experience and tools can do a perfect job in a home basement.

Most of the people here are mature enough to make their own decisions. If you're comfortable with working on bindings and are aware of the consequences of doing so, by all means go ahead. If not, you have no business touching them. Then the work is best left to a shop.
Nov 16 2004 4:54PM
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aggro_sk8
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your chances of hab=ving a god ount at a shop is much higher than one done by you (an inexpirienced person) also, if you screw your knee up because they did a crappy job they have to pay for it. im not talking about a frivolous lawsuit. something they did wrong resulting in your being injured is something they need to take care of. if you screw yourself up cause you messed up, your screwed
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Nov 16 2004 6:53PM
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freeskier108
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^exactly.
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Nov 16 2004 7:12PM
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arsenal601
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i feel like such a retard, i know nothing about binding settings or anything









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Nov 16 2004 7:26PM
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telestar6
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Hah good first post 420jibber. Way to show just how smart you are. DIN settings are set based off of a standard chart that is based on boot sole length, height, weight, and skier type. So if you are a good skier then yes they will set it higher that 6. If you ask them most shops will set it whereever you want it they just wave liability if you get hurt. My recommenced setting is an 8.5 and I have big feet and I only weight 160. I big person with small feet can go all the way up to a 13.

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Nov 16 2004 7:30PM
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Nov 16 2004 10:49PM
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SaraJ
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yeh, my shop set my DIN only after they took a ton of stuff into consideration. height, weight, how agressive i ride, how skilled of a rider i am, what type of riding i'll be doing, and so on.
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Nov 16 2004 10:51PM
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real9999
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I'm not saying that most people shouldn't go to a shop, but a binding DIN chart is ridiculously easy to use.

I have one in front of me. If you can't determine your DIN setting from the chart, you're retarded.
Nov 16 2004 11:47PM
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bret
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the ski shops have so many releases of liability, it's not like you can just sue them if your knee gets fucked up. at least at my shop, when you get mounting or adjustment there, you have to sign like 4 places on the form that you release them from all liability and agree not to sue them if your body gets broken. still though, i'm chill with the shop guys to they mount my stuff for free and then if i need to make any adjustments later (cuz sometimes even shop guys mess up) then i'll just whip out my screwdriver and take care of what needs fixin'.

the bottom line is, the shop guys are right most of the time, but it's still your responsibility to learn about how your bindings work and double check them, and fix any problems if necessary. it's hard to sure a ski shop, so it's better to look out for your own knee safety.



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Nov 17 2004 12:02AM
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420jibber420
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Hey one more thing. If its a s912ti binding you will have to adjust your wings on a daily basis. The wings get loose after a day of hard landings. And you better do it yourself or you can take your skis to the shop every day you've been skiing. And if you don't know how to use a screwdriver, well too bad. Shops make their money on people like you.
Nov 17 2004 8:22AM
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Ryno
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i would never mount my own...besides if you buy em from your local shop they usually do it up for you for free anyways (corbetts always does it for us)
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Nov 17 2004 8:27AM
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420jibber420
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And yeah freeskier108 you are an ignorant fuck. First I never said a word about mounting your bindings yourself. Thats plain stupid if you goit brand new skis cause it will automatically void your warranty. Second, you are the one who asked this question in a first place, I answered, no need to call people idiots cause you are the one who doesn't know shit.

Nov 17 2004 8:28AM
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d-loc
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^ohhh its real hard to get a screwdriver and turn it like 2 times to adjust it



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Nov 17 2004 8:29AM
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420jibber420
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Well yeah that guy is having trouble.
Nov 17 2004 9:03AM
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d-loc
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haha yah i can see that but i dot see why he is having so many problems.



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