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Yes, yes I did. A model (someone judged on beauty) compared to an athlete (someone based on muscle and brute strength). There are people in this thread saying that she is skinny in this thread.
I don't know if people are so much saying she's skinny as just not overweight. Pretty obvious that she isn't skinny but saying she's unhealthy seems like a stretch. Not as healthy as an athlete? Obviously. But UNhealthy?
I guess in my opinion when you have an overly visible amount of extra weight I call that unhealthy. Obviously thats my own opinion, everyone allowed to have their own
Skimmed the thread and saw some classic bullshit so here's my view
1) Kate Upton is hot as hell
2) She is in no way healthier than girls much skinnier than her with athletic bodies
People just do not get the difference between skinny and fit when it comes to girls. Kate Upton could be much "healthier" with less fat on her. So much white knighting on the internet trying to say fit girls who are sexy and healthy as hell are too skinny.
People actually think chicks like this are too skinny, blows my mind
I kind of feel like mass access to porn and softcore porn (like Victoria's Secret) has created this image of what a women has to be, to be sexy. It's fairly obvious, with evidence existing in this thread that people are obsessed with one kind of sexy. I think it's good that the existence of Kate upton is challenging these values and maybe even helping certain people return to a more healthy reality where being attracted to non-porn stars and non-super models is acceptable.
and really what makes her seem much more overweight than she is is her waist to hip ratio, which is like 1:1; shes just built differently and doesnt have that perfect hourglass figure like most models, also the shit she wears is so tight to push her tits up that it makes her upper body look fat when its not
Pretty much everyone has specifically said that there is a big difference between fit girls and too-skinny girls, so I'm not sure where you're getting this from...at least in relation to this thread.
This thread is fucking crazy. I cannot believe how shallow society is.
phil6x - I could take a picture of my midsection and you would call me unhealthy, not attractive, and possibly overweight. Which is hilarious, because I eat insanely healthy and am very active. I just don't have a super petite frame because I would have to work out every single day of my life because of the way my body works and honestly, I have better things to do with my time than work my ass off to fit into the vision of what you would call "healthy".
Or, you know, guys over time have become accustomed to how potentially hot girls can be. So it's really no surprise that they find them unattractive when they don't meet those standards, even though the girls in question would've been considered dimes maybe 10 years earlier.
Ok, sure I can understand ones view on what is hot/attractive - but I'm not about to call someone who might have a little extra body fat, unhealthy. That's ridiculous and completely presumptuous as I don't have access to their daily food intake. Upton may have extra body fat, but it does not mean she is unhealthy. What a load of crap.
Don't know if your joking or not, but I totally would. Sure I think fit is sexy as hell, but curvy can be quite nice as well. There can be a lot more unattractive things about a woman besides a little extra weight. Horrible self confidence issues for starters. Id take a curvy girl that loves her body over a fit girl that bitches about her body any day of the week.
Healthy weight is not an "opinion" thing. There is hard science about weight/heights/lifestyles that are healthy for each individual person. I'm not Kate Upton's personal physician so I can't comment on her overall health, but neither can you. However, having a "visible amount of extra weight" certainly =/= unhealthy.
what the fuck are you talking about? She's beautiful. I'm not saying she's the pinnacle of female attractiveness, or that she is everyone's type in terms of frame, but come the fuck on. Lay off thedirty.com or wherever you picked up such a skewed sense of reality.
What you're really saying is that 99.999% of humans don't look "good" naked.
Static photos don't mean shit. For that matter, moving pictures don't mean all that much either. So much is lost in a person's overall attractiveness, and I'm not even necessarily going the "it's what's inside that counts" route.
I mean that mannerisms, expressions, subtle gestures, posture, voice, attitude, confidence, and on and on play such a huge part. It's really gotten out of hand how people literally sit around and not only objectify, but compartmentalize and scrutinize individual body parts. I don't get it at all.
I can't imagine having these rigid parameters and quantifying beauty to the exact specs that some of you guys are waving around. For me it's all instinctual and about general impression....I'm like a figure skating judge....I know beauty when I see it, and it doesn't necessarily look anything like the last woman I thought was beautiful.
I'm not at all trying to come off as completely free of vanity or superficiality or like I have some "mature" approach, I'm just genuinely surprised by some of this shit, and I agree with those suggesting that the unprecedented access to images of beauty and "physical perfection" has profoundly changed the way both men and women evaluate one another.
And oh, as an example, I didn't think Kate Upton was beautiful until I saw this video because I thought she seemed fun and like she loves life and loved her smile. I think this is better than body paint photos because even though she's "performing", it's intimate in a way that nudity isn't.
^^ I don't think many people are saying she's unattractive, ugly, or fat, just that she's pudgy/chubby, which she definitely is, especially for a supermodel. Look at Marilyn Monroe. She is touted as one of the most "beautiful" women of all time. Tell me she wasn't chubby. You can't. Same with Kate Upton. She may have a good looking face, but she's absolutely got a little extra cushion for the pushin' on her. I don't know how anybody can deny that. All the butthurt people in here just assume that chubby =/= good looking or chubby = "normal person body." Well, wonderful. She may have a "normal person body," but that doesn't mean that the average woman should be a supermodel either. Girl needs to hit the gym.
Look at the post I quoted a few posts up. I'm not at all interested in debating Kate Upton's BMI, I was speaking much more in generalities, and trends I've noticed in evaluating people's relative attractiveness and the tendency of people to get hung up on these contrived, weirdly specific numbers. At no point have I said that Kate Upton is fat, skinny, should or shouldn't be put on a pedestal as a supermodel, etc. Maybe she does need to hit the gym, I don't care either way.
I'm saying she's attractive whether she does or doesn't, and not from some coddling, new agey "everyone's beautiful" world view, but from the perspective of a guy who likes to fuck women. Like I said before, I know who and what I'm attracted to, and it's divorced from what the media tells me is ideal or not. I'm attracted to different women for different reasons, and I wanted to point out in that last post that much is lost in still images and even video.
On your point, I do think it's pretty pointless to get into fights about whether Kate Upton is fat or not. And, there is a tendency of some in this thread to argue that she isn't which comes across as a sort of self-preservation of the "if she's fat, so am I" variety. I don't know, I don't think I'd describe her as fat, or even unhealthy, but it's clear she has body fat in places that many other models appear not to. I'm cool with that, but then again, I like voluptuous women as much as I like skinny gals.
Sometimes I wonder if certain men find bigger women less attractive because they feel emasculated in some way. I'm not saying this is true for everyone, and maybe there's also a subconscious element at work, but think about it.
If a guy is 5'7" and 150lbs., I could see him not finding Kate Upton attractive at 5'10" 150, or whatever she actually is. A lot of the dynamics between men and women are genetic, primal, and procreative in nature, right? A part of that would certainly deal with gender roles, and how men are "supposed to" be caretakers, providers, and protectors. I think it's reasonable that many men are drawn towards waify, slight and petite women because they feel physically dominant and thus more masculine in relation.
Again, this is pure speculation, not fact, and I'm not saying it applies to necessarily anyone here, but I think there could be something to it.
didn't mean to offend.. it's all perspective. like i said I'm small, 5'8, 130 pounds ish, and I'm 20. lots of girls are bigger than me. you may be very pretty, but you probably don't want to date a guy my size, just like i usually don't date girls who are heavier than me.. its kinda weird. call it biological or evolutionary, I don't know, but lots of guys want to be bigger than the girl they are dating. and i assume lots of girls want to date guys bigger than they are. it works both ways - i realize girls that are bigger than me can be objectively pretty - i just don't find them to be personally attractive if they have like 15 - 20 pounds on me which is honestly pretty common. likewise, im sure lots of sexy girls that are 150 pounds don't think i am attractive cause i'm small. no worries. like ideally i want to have at least a couple inches and like 15 pounds on someone i date, so i like really small girls. i'v had sex with girls who are like 5'10, 5'11 and its definitely a little strange. im much more into 5'3 haha. and honestly 150 pounds can be hot - i didnt mean to insinuate that you are fat, i feel bad.
back to the original argument of the thread, yes Kate Upton is a big girl but she's hot and has great tits and yes I would if given the opportunity.
I am 5'9 150lbs and I find chicks who are very short and tiny the most attractive. I don't think I feel emasculated if a chick is "larger" but I definitely feel more masculine if she is tiny compared to me.
As to kate upton? I still find her extremely attractive, but I think I am much more attractive to a girl like Miranda Kerr instead.
I was spitballing for the most part, not trying to pass it off as fact, but again, your own statement sort of backs up my point.
Ok, you don't feel emasculated by a big woman, but you do feel more masculine when a woman is small, and therefore you're more attracted to that.
So, couldn't the way you feel just be a point on a continuum of potential feelings? If you feel that way, it's certainly possible that there are men, small or not, who are not sexually attracted to larger women because they don't feel masculine or potent, or whatever in their presence. It's not that much of a stretch when you consider stuff like "man hands" and how society reacts to women with decidedly male facial features such as prominent, square jaw lines.
I'm not saying that anyone who finds KU unattractive or fat is threatened or Napoleonic, or feeling emasculated, for the record (they just have shitty taste). I'm basically just thinking out loud, and suggesting that maybe there is a real, psychological reason as to why our cultural standards of feminine beauty skew towards slight women, with decidedly un-male characteristics—that reason being that they in contrast feel more masculine.
I mean I am not really trying to argue I was just giving some anecdotal evidence... But on that note if a chick is even an inch taller than me it is the biggest turn off in the world. Like okay if the chick is still really attractive but tall lets say taylor swift who is 5'11 I am still going to hook up with them. But honestly would not want to date a chick taller than me at all.
The person who I am dating right now is actually the exactly the same height as me and I absolutely hate it when she wears heels.
So point being I agree with your premise, and you can tie it to evolution if you wanted too. In fact in my animal behavior class (which pretty much was an advanced evolution class) we talked in detail about sexual dimorphism (which are differences between the sexes of the same species). And a lot of the differences that come with that in regards to size/morphology can be traced to sexual selection in which parental investment has a lot to do with those traits of each sex. It is actually really interesting stuff and I suggest you google it if you want to learn more.
