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Why I Raise My Children Without God

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theabortionator
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http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-910282

Not saying I think she's 100% right. I think it brought up some good points and I figured I would share it. If you want to read it go for it, if not that's also fine.
Jan 16 2013 2:16PM
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Ski_the_east01
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Read 'No god' and 'living in Texas' in the first sentence...those kids are fucked
Jan 16 2013 2:18PM
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Abu_Hajaar
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It shouldn't matter wether a child is raised with or without religion, what should matter is wether that child was also raised to think for him/herself and to be able to form a conclusion based of evidence they think is credible. The problem is not god the problem is a lack of tolerance.
Jan 16 2013 2:25PM
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theabortionator
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If you're raised religious it's not something you can easily get away from. It's actually incredibly hard to escape from. I'd like to say it doesn't matter either way as long as they get to a point where they have an open mind they can choose their route.

I guess it all depends on whether you're raised with the idea of God as a possibility, or raised to be religious.
Jan 16 2013 2:30PM
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MNS
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lol @ people who believe in god.
Jan 16 2013 2:31PM
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zagfan5
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this.  hopefully the world will be rid of it after the baby boomers die off. then our generation can stop worrying about pointless things like religion, gay marriage, drug wars, ect and get on with life and the progress of the human race.
Jan 16 2013 2:37PM
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Stickity
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younger generations are pretty tolerant as it is so i'm hoping this is where we're headed
Jan 16 2013 2:41PM
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Hammyslapwagon
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Why not let the kid choose for himself? If he is capable of understanding concepts such as mortality and the afterlife, then let him choose.  The parent shouldn't be choosing whether the child should follow religion or not.  
Jan 16 2013 2:45PM
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Pancake_Fucker
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This. I was raised catholic and I don't agree with the Catholic Church, and I'm not sure about a lot of things. That being said, I live a completely non Christian life apart from acknowledging that something had to have made everything.
Jan 16 2013 2:50PM
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theabortionator
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Tell that to all the religious fucks trying to rope kids in with free puppies so they can shove religion down their throats.

I mean the majority of the pressure seems to be coming from the religious. For a kid when you're young and impressionable, end up at a church rec program program or something of that sort and get constantly bombarded with do you know what's going to happen when you die? All you have to do is accept jesus into your heart and everything will be okay. That makes things pretty tough on young kids.


If they want to believe something ridiculous later in life that's fine, but I would def be trying to guide my kids away from it at least while they're young.
Jan 16 2013 2:50PM
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Darth.Maul
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Implying its impossible to be religious and tolerant? Im a religious guy and am totally tolerant with other religions, gay people, etc. i respect everybody as a human being and as an individual despite having different morals or whatnot.
Jan 16 2013 2:52PM
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Stickity
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because if the parents go to church every sunday they'll want to instill the same beliefs on their child since they see it as morally right. it's not malicious but as soon as you go against it you're a dope smoking, liquor swilling, polar opposite of a moral human being simply because you questioned it. i think it's something that has grown over time and isn't exactly conscientious, but having something drilled into your head without asking why leads to a lot of blind followers who really aren't quite sure why they believe what they believe.
Jan 16 2013 2:53PM
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maximiliaan
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We still would have the muslims.... Oops! oh no he didnt!
Jan 16 2013 2:55PM
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Casey
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Well hes going to learn something from someone, be it you or his coach or teacher or cult leading neighbor. Its a parents job to raise a functioning adult and i think its their perogative to share their own worldview with their kids if they want to.

But most i just get irritated with these attention whore parents and their new age bullshit to get on the news. Oh my child doesnt have a gender, my child still breastfeeds at 15, i want my child to decide for himself when he gets punished or not. These parents are conducting social experiments, not raising children. I award them 0/10
Jan 16 2013 2:56PM
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Stickity
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more power to you. it's older people that are generally less tolerant.
Jan 16 2013 2:57PM
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saskskier
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It's not going anywhere. The world religions are still showing growth. Religion and god, whatever form he/she/it/they will always have a place in society.
Jan 16 2013 2:59PM
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Pancake_Fucker
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How has nobody noticed this. Lost it haha.
Jan 16 2013 3:01PM
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Hammyslapwagon
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As long as the parents shares their views and other views in an objective way, that is the how it should be done. 
Jan 16 2013 3:06PM
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Stickity
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and that's not necessarily a bad thing. i'm atheist but in terms of helping people find meaning and guidance in life, i think religion is fucking awesome but it's every single person that feels it's necessary to post endlessly on facebook and twitter, or question your personal beliefs, or stand on a street corner and preach to people about how you're going to hell and god hates you if you don't get down on your knees that gives religion a bad name and makes it an annoyance in society. i also can't stand militantly anti-theists who feel they have to convince people religion is stupid since they're doing the exact same thing they hate so much
Jan 16 2013 3:06PM
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bo0b
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Moar like "I was on CNN and found this article" amirite?

It very well could have been /r/atheism. But people calling everything a repost from reddit is getting really annoying. Yes, chances are it was posted on there first, nobody gives a shit

that was an interesting article.
Jan 16 2013 3:06PM
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saskskier
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I'm a Christian and I agree with you completely.
Jan 16 2013 3:09PM
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Clark_Griswold
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I lost hahahahahahah
Jan 16 2013 3:11PM
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ReignMan
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My parents told me every religon in my area when i was 5 or 6. They said i could see how they were. I ignored there offer until i was 10. They took me to a monestary, a cathlic church, and a jewish temple and let me call bull shit for myself. I did.

I realize now, i didn't ask stupid fucking questions as a kid because i already understood that religon is a stupid excusse for saying you know what the fucks going on."

"Religon is a plague."- it causes stupid.
Jan 16 2013 3:11PM
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Stickity
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high five!
Jan 16 2013 3:11PM
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Ski_the_east01
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She pretty much regurgitated the Epicurus argument but dumbed down the vocabulary for a Texas educated audience...nothin new here
Jan 16 2013 3:13PM
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theabortionator
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This is how I feel about it. My other post came off a bit dickish. I just don't think it's fair to blame parents for raising their kids non religious for "not letting the child think for itself" when you have so many things set up to trap kids into religion. Youth groups, VBS, rec programs, summer camps, and all kind of people trying to take kids aside and instill in them religion. When you're talking about young kids it's hard to combat that.

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I do agree with whoever was saying that there are too many of these things making the news. At least this isn't really a social experiment as the other examples you pointed out.
Jan 16 2013 3:16PM
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nagger
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good article but very one sided. the god she is talking about is christian/catholic god who is an omniscient man in the heavens who punishes you for doing bad things and has a set of wacky outdated specific rules that you must obey. that is 1 perception of god. this woman could use a lesson in ontology.
Jan 16 2013 3:39PM
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Folivora
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I was raised in a Christian family, as a Christian. But, my parents always stressed for me to develop my own beliefs. So, at age 15, I finally realized that I was an atheist.
That being said, I don't support this woman. She needs to present her children to many different beliefs, instead of sheltering them... That does no good at all.
Jan 16 2013 3:40PM
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midwestpowhunter
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http://500questions.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/18-why-does-belief-in-god-decrease-as-intelligence-increases/
Jan 16 2013 3:45PM
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GrabsForFun
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If you present a child with the choice of beeing religious (where they supposedly would live in an afterlife) or an atheist (where you will simply die) almost any child would choose a theist path, simply because of fear. And that´s basicly what religious people do to their children all the time. They assure them everything will be allright if they acept Jesus/ Muhammed/ God. And of course these childen grow upp with this way of thinking. If they were presented with the same choice later in life a lot more would choose an atheistic point of view. Because they would probably realize that having an inevitable end of ones life is not necessarly a bad thing. That´s why religion shouldn´t be forced on children
Jan 16 2013 3:46PM
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.Capn.
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I think religion is net good for the world... Crucify me for thinking it ehh!
Jan 16 2013 3:49PM
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midwestpowhunter
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is it ironic that the first step to becoming Catholic is getting your head clensed or dare I say brain washed?
Jan 16 2013 3:53PM
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theabortionator
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In America that's the god that is talked about all the time. That's the god they want in schools. So yes but I don't think it's because she doesn't understand that there are other religions
Jan 16 2013 3:53PM
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FuckAllOfYou
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Jan 16 2013 5:51PM
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Stickity
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clever
Jan 16 2013 7:25PM
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Abu_Hajaar
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You all imagine a world without religion which is the most unrealistic idea i've ever heard. Why not instead of saying someone is stupid or brainwashed for not having the same opinion as you, you respect their opinion and be tolerant of their beliefs. The world would be a much better place if people could just respect each other's views. I'd much rather live in a world with religion and tolerance as opposed to a culture-less waste land where everyone is the same.
Jan 16 2013 8:11PM
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roddy116
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my face just got ripped off and put back on backwards because so much stupidity and "intolerance" has flown out of my computer screen.
Jan 16 2013 8:29PM
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DaffyDaDak
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people should respect other peoples beliefs, so you dont have the same religion they do or you have no religion at all its their choice if they want to have one or not, i mean im christian but i just believe in god, no bullshit i do believe there is heaven and hell. and do believe in god, but im not against gay marriage its peoples decision. not everyone who is religious is a dick and tries to shove it down throats
Jan 16 2013 8:31PM
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JAHpow
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This
Jan 16 2013 8:33PM
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roddy116
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how has one person "abused" their privelege of what they believe, the only person that would be abusing priveleges is you because you're trying to stop people from their beliefs.
Jan 16 2013 8:34PM
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Stickity
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this wouldn't be the case if everyone respected each other and their beliefs.
Jan 16 2013 8:35PM
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roddy116
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no :(
Jan 16 2013 8:37PM
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Miomo
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Oh shit xD
Jan 16 2013 8:37PM
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Stickity
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well duh
Jan 16 2013 8:40PM
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roddy116
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out of curiousity which religions would you say fit in that category?
Jan 16 2013 8:40PM
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yourthemannowdog
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It really depends what you concern yourself with. That kid probably hasn't taken any Philosophy classes because he argues very poorly.

I don't think introducing the idea of a god into a child's life is a bad idea, but it can be. From an ethical stand point, I don't think we should worry about God. Teaching tolerance is so much more important than defending your beliefs of God.

Besides, no one can persuade me that god does or does not exists.
Jan 16 2013 8:54PM
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Casey
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Dude... really?

I get irked at the anti Islam sentiment on NS, people think they can paint with such a broad brush probably the most complicated region of the modern world, without so much as one day of higher level history class under their belt. The world is actually really simple if you are stupid.

Jan 16 2013 9:06PM
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twin-tip-hero
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TLDR
Jan 16 2013 9:08PM
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Anathema
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raise your children with god

raise them without god

who gives a fuck

just dont tell me one way or another is right

go do your own thing your own way and be happy

i will do the same
Jan 16 2013 9:14PM
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JASTEW206
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" I like too blog". No fucking wonder...
Jan 16 2013 10:47PM
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gucci_mane
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this statement is a thread ender. a wise man right here.
Jan 16 2013 11:36PM
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