The Guardian UK Calls for Bush's Assassination

i do agree with you, that is bullshit. i hate pretty much everything bush has done within the last 4 years, and yeah, i think he's a bumbling idiot.

but you can't wish death on him for being a fuckup. i wouldn't wish death on anyone, except for those who have already wished death on others. (which in some sense bush has, but..... still.)
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First of all, I don't really want anybody to die, although in the case of certain dangerous fundamentalists, it might be better for the world if they did (still morally wrong in most cases, but that's another discussion). However, biggest asshat of the century award? I would think you'd want to pin that on Bin Laden. personally, I give it to Ann Coulter.

At any rate, I find it mildly amusing thatat you've taken one editorial to stand for the position of an entire paper. I find it even more amusing that you've taken it to stand for the position of a news association which just happens to be in the same country. I find it more amusing still that you've managed to imply that this one editorial writer's position stands for that of Europe in its entirety. I'm laughing... I just hope you were kidding.

By the way, it has occurred to me on more than one occasion that if there was a left-wing president who was as hated as this one, he probably would have been assasinated already. Thing is, liberals don't like guns. It would be too bad if the president were to be killed. Crying shame. I wouldn't exactly take it as the greatest tragedy that ever happened, though.

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Excellent point ASAC. As some might recall, Iraq had a hit out on the first Bush that was stopped by our intelligence agencies. Upon learning this, along with violation of UN sanctions, Clinton tomahawked the shit out of Saddam for a week.
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^My point in that last paragraph is that the guy isn't Jesus, and killing him would not be any worse than killing anyone else, and therefore not the worst tragedy imaginable. Just to be clear.

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At any rate, I find it mildly amusing thatat you've taken one editorial to stand for the position of an entire paper. I find it even more amusing that you've taken it to stand for the position of a news association which just happens to be in the same country. I find it more amusing still that you've managed to imply that this one editorial writer's position stands for that of Europe in its entirety. I'm laughing... I just hope you were kidding.

I associate the BBC (government owned station in an anti-Bush gov't, with exceptions such as Blair) and the Guardian because they both have a history of extreme liberalism. This is not the first time The Guardian has done such drastic measures. Recently they launched a campaign in Ohio that encouraged their readers to write to Ohio voters telling them not to vote for Bush. They retracted the campaign as soon as they realized it was doing more harm for Kerry than it was good. The Guardian is an extremely liberal paper and in Europe liberalism dwarfs the style of liberalism we are accustomed to in the states.

And I don't like making generalizations but I find it fair to equate most of Europe to this mentality as it has been shown in many of their polls and media outlets.
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There's a difference between leaning to the left and wanting the President of the USA to die. That's all I'm saying. I'm pretty sure the BBC head office would agree with me on this one. And I'm not even going to START with your miscalibrated political compass... that's been discussed enough times on this site.

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Quite frankly JD is only been discussed by you. Your so arrogant that you can't even realize that you are no different than me except that you lean far to the left and I lean far to the right. Try not being so ignorant.
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Looks like The Guardian realized how idiotic they were to post such an article and it appears that it has been pulled as quickly as it was put up, unless their server is down.
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Please don't equate the BBC with anything along the lines of a ridiculously left leaning newspaper in a country internationally known for having what one could call 'the most ridiculous press coverage anywhere', simply because both the BBC and The Guardian are located in the same country. The BBC has an amazing reputation for fairness and accuracy, and though some scandals have rocked it recently, it's still light years ahead of what most Americans watch, read, and consider 'news'.

I'm not going to jump into a debate on Bush. Though this may be the time for one, NS certainly isn't the place. But please don't make yourself look foolish by trying to attack the BBC and a foreign country's news service when your own are so piss poor.




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from my experiences and world travels over the last 4 years I am gonna have to say that yes, the modern free thinking world really wants bush to lose, and for good reason. After september 11th EVERYONE was on our side. But Bush has mannaged to change that 100%.












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qualities solidity well finished after sale services (if broken, ..). so what do you think? out of one fact: armadas black and PINK is ugly and faggy!

You know, that's the thing. I don't lean that far to the left. Sure, I think gays are people too, and deserve every right the rest of us have. That's just common sense. I think the education system is important, more important than big business. I think war should be avoided if at all possible. I think religion and government policy should be kept separate. So that makes me a radical? Ok. If you say so. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me... no one I know considers me a hardline liberal.

As for me being arrogant, you're going to have to do a bit more than regurgitate talking points and spin everything you can find as far to the right as possible for me to acknowledge you as a decent political thinker... as far as I'm concerned, you're a sheep. Take some lessons from Anewmorning. And by the way, it's been discussed by a lot more people than me... there was a 5 page thread on it a month or two ago. Use that fancy search bar up there at the top.

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keep in mind this is the same paper tht told it's readers to write people in ohio to vote for kerry, that went over well.


'No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride . . . and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well . . . maybe chalk it off to forced consciousness expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten.' HST

Isn't it great how JD always sits there and tries to degrade me? I find it really politically astute *cough* that JD always retaliates my posts by childish name calling.

I do and always have defined myself as a conservative. I have read Moore's books and seen his films, something no sheep would ever do. I constantly read democraticunderground.com and moveon.org, and Michael Moore's site. I am also a fan of Liberal commentator Alan Colmes because I believe he is rather objective despite the fact that I don't agree with what he has to say. I enjoy challegning my political beliefs on my own record because I find that it solidifies the base I stand on. So if those are the actions of sheep than I am proud to be one. I do not agree with Bush 100% of the time but I do agree with the majority of his policies.

So JD if you think you can win your little vendetta against me by lowering yourself to name calling, then your barking up the wrong tree.

And by the way I never said you were a radical. I said you lean far to the left (aka I think your a Liberal).


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Greaves, just based on looking at your signiture, i would call you extremely conservative.

And while I dont agree with the Gaurdian and the whole assassination thing, Europe does hate us.
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JOB APPLICATION
NAME: John Kerry

RESIDENCE:

7 mansions, including one in Washington DC, worth multi-millions. I served in Vietnam (four months).

EXPERIENCE: Law Enforcement. In my career as a U.S. Senator, I've voted to cut every law enforcement, CIA, and Defense bill. I ordered the city of Boston to remove a fire hydrant in front of my mansion, thereby endangering my neighbors in the event of fire. I served in Vietnam (four months).

MILITARY: I served in Vietnam (four months). I used three minor injuries to get an early discharge from the military and service in Vietnam (as documented by the attending doctor). I served in Vietnam (four months). I then returned to the U.S., joined Jane Fonda in protesting the war, and insulted returning Vietnam vets, claiming they committed atrocities and were baby killers. I served in Vietnam (four months). I threw my medals, ribbons, or something away in protest. Or did I? My book ' Vietnam Veterans Against the War: The New Soldier', shows how I truly feel about the military. I served in Vietnam (four months).

COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. Unlike my counterpart George Bush, I have no higher education and did not get admitted to Harvard nor graduate with an M.B.A

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE: After College and Vietnam, I ran for the U.S. Congress and have been there ever since. I have no real world experience except marrying very rich women and running their companies vicariously through them. I served in Vietnam (four months).

ACCOMPLISHMENTS: As a U.S. Senator I set the record for the most liberal voting record, exceeding even Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. I have consistently failed to support our military and CIA by voting against their budgets, thus gutting our country's ability to defend itself. Although I voted for the Iraq War, now I am against it and refuse to admit that I voted for it. I voted for every liberal piece of legislation. I have no plan to help this country but I intend to raise taxes significantly if I am elected. I served in Vietnam (four months).

My wealth so far exceeds that of my opponent , that he will never catch up. I make little or no charitable contributions and have never agreed to pay any voluntary excess taxes in Massachusetts, despite family wealth in excess of $ 700 million. I served in Vietnam (four > months).

I (we) own 28 manufacturing plants (Heinz) outside of the U.S. in places like Asia, Mexico and Europe. We can make more profit from the cheaper cost of labor in those Countries, although I blame George Bush for sending all of the other jobs out of Country. I served in Vietnam (four months).

Although I claim to be in favor of alternative energy sources, Ted Kennedy and I oppose windmills off Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard as it might spoil our view of the ocean as we cruise on our yachts. I served in Vietnam (four months).

RECORDS AND REFERENCES: None. However, I served in Vietnam (four months).

PERSONAL:

I practice my Catholic faith whenever cameras are present. I ride a Serotta Bike. I love to ski/snowboard. I call my Gulfstream V Jet the 'Flying Squirrel'. I call my $850,000 42-foot Hinckley twin diesel yacht the 'Scarmouche'. I am fascinated by rap and hip-hop and feel it reflects our real culture. I own several 'Large' SUVs including one parked at my Nantucket summer mansion, though I am against large, polluting, inefficient vehicles and blame George Bush for our energy problems. I served in Vietnam (four months).

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.

I don't have a 'vendetta' against you. I don't think that would even approach being worthwhile. I'm surprised that you look at an internet forum in such a melodramatic way. If you've played this up in your mind to some sort of 'Me vs. you' rivalry, you aren't the first; I get disturbing PMs to that effect all the time. But it just isn't the case. I don't care about you one way or the other. Sorry to disappoint.

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Simonfiller, if you want to spam up a thread with pointless propaganda (and on occasion bald-faced lies, Kerry, over his career, is far right of Ted Kennedy), you might as well make it even. With that in mind:

RESUME
GEORGE W. BUSH
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20520
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:
Law Enforcement:

I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been 'lost' and is not available.

Military:
I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

College:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
- I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

- I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
- I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.
- With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
- I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
- I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.
- I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
- I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
- I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
- I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
- I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

- I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My 'poorest millionaire,' Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

- I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President.
- I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.
- My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.

- My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

- I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to
intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
- I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
- I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
- I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.
- I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.
- I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.
- I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

- I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
- I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S. 'prisoners of war' detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

- I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
- I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.
- I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

- I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

- I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

- I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

- I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime.

- In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

- I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

- I am supporting development of a nuclear 'Tactical Bunker Buster,' a WMD.
- I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
-All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.
- All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

- All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004!

Or this equally trashy piece of e-literature...

Past work experience:

a.. Ran for congress and lost.

b.. Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.

c.. Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil
in Texas, company
went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

d.. Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a
sweetheart deal that
took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded
Sammy Sosa to the
Chicago Cubs.

e.. With fathers help (and his name) was elected
Governor of Texas.

Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and
oil companies and
made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
Replaced Los Angeles
with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America.
Cut taxes and
bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of
billions in borrowed
money. Set record for most executions by any Governor
in American
history.

f.. Became president after losing the popular vote by
over 500,000
votes, with the hel
p of my fathers appointments to the
Supreme Court.

Accomplishments as president:

a.. Attacked and took over two countries.

b.. Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

c.. Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in
history.

d.. Set economic record for most private bankruptcies
filed in any 12
month period.

e.. Set all-time record for biggest drop in the
history of the stock
market.

f.. First president in decades to execute a federal
prisoner.

g.. First president in US history to enter office with
a criminal
record.

h.. First year in office set the all-time record for
most days on
vacation by any president in US history.

i.. After taking the entire month of August off for
vacation, presided
over the worst security failure in US history.

j.. Set the record for most campaign fund-raising
trips than any other
president in US history.

k.. In my first two years in o
ffice over 2 million
Americans lost their
job.

l.. Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work
Americans than any
president in US history.

m.. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a
12 month period.

n.. Appointed more convicted criminals to
administration positions than
any president in US history.

o.. Set the record for the least amount of press
conferences than any
president since the advent of television.

p.. Signed more laws and executive orders amending the
Constitution than
any president in US history.

q.. Presided over the biggest energy crises in US
history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.

r.. Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US
history and refused
to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

s.. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

t.. Set the all-time record for most people worldwide
to simultaneously
take to the st
reets to protest me (15 million people),
shattering the
record for protest against any person in the history
of mankind.
(http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches
/)

u.. Dissolved more international treaties than any
president in US
history.

v.. My presidency is the most secretive and
un-accountable of any in US
history.

w.. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any
administration in US
history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Con
doleeza
Rice has an Exxon
oil tanker named after her).

x.. First president in US history to have all 50
states of the Union
simultaneously go bankrupt.

y.. Presided over the biggest corporate stock market
fraud of any market
in any country in the history of the world.

z.. First president in US history to order a US attack
and military
occupation of a sovereign nation.

aa.. Created the largest government department
bureaucracy in the
history of the United States.

ab.. Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget
spending
increases, more than any president in US history.

ac.. First president in US history to have the United
Nations remove the
US from the human rights commission.

ad.. First president in US history to have the United
Nations remove the
US from the elections monitoring board.

ae.. Removed more checks and balances, and have the
least amount of
congressional oversight than any
presidential
administration in US
history.

af.. Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

ag.. Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

ah.. Refused to allow inspectors access to US
prisoners of war and by
default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

ai.. First president in US history to refuse United
Nations election
inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

aj.. All-time US (and world) record holder for most
corporate campaign
donations.

ak.. My biggest life-time campaign contributor
presided over one of the
largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history
(Kenneth Lay,
former CEO of Enron Corporation).

al.. Spent more money on polls and focus groups than
any president in US
history.

am.. First president in US history to unilaterally
attack a sovereign
nation against the will of the United Nations and the
world community.

an.. First president to run and hide when the US ca
me
under attack (and
then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force
1)

ao.. First US president to establish a secret shadow
government.

ap.. Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after
911, and in less
than a year made the US the most resented country in
the world (possibly
the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world
history).

aq.. With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the
most hostile
Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

ar.. First US president in history to have a majority
of the people of
Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat
to world peace and
stability.

as.. First US president in history to have the people
of South Korea
more threatened by the US than their immediate
neighbor, North Korea.

at.. Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to
be awarded
government contracts.

au.. Set all-time record for number of administration
appointees
who
violated US law by not selling huge investments in
corporations bidding
for government contracts.

av.. Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin
Laden 'dead or alive'.


aw.. Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to
murder the
leaders of our country at the United States Capital
building. After 18
months I have no leads and zero suspects.

ax.. In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have
successfully
prevented any public investigation into the biggest
security failure in
the history of the United States.

ay.. Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for
Americans than any
other president in US history.

az.. In a little over two years created the most
divided country in
decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever
been since the civil
war.

ba.. Entered office with the strongest economy in US
history and in less
than two years turned every single economic category
heading
straight
down.

Records and References:

a.. At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine
(Texas driving
record has been erased and is not available).

b.. AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military
during a time of
war.

c.. Refuse to take drug test or even answer any
questions about drug
use.

d.. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have
been spirited
away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and
un-available for
public view.

e.. All records of any SEC investigations into my
insider trading or
bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and
un-available for public
view.

f.. All minutes of meetings for any public corporation
I served on the
board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for
public view.

g.. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP)
attended regarding
public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and
un-available for public
review.

h
. For personal references please speak to my daddy
or uncle James
Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the
Carlyle Group for
war-profiteering.)

Come on guys. These things are bullshit. Sure, there's some truth in there, but if it sways you... you need a little more information.

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just because in the uk some newspaper writes an article doesnt mean europe supports that oppinion. the uk is probably more american than european in its political decisions and political coverage.

quite true!^ and you can take some editorial from some dumbass american sensationalist paper (don't wana name any, not to offend somebody) and claim that the US government has contacts with Aliens




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which they do

the BBC is far better than ANY US MEDIA. there is no fucking hint of impartial media in the US.

ha...you think the BBC is impartial?

Foxnews is far more impartial than any of the ultra liberal networks such as CNN, NBC, CBS etc. At least Dan Rather doesnt make up stories -- *cough* *cough* Its great when people get caught making lies to further support liberal hogswash.

^^If someone is convinced Fox News is impartial, I find it's absolutely pointless to reason with them. Just stop arguing.

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I’ll be around
I’ll be loving you
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Always...

JD you sit there and bash me for saying the BBC is partisan but you turn around and say the same thing about FOX. HYPOCRITE.

And if you have nothing against me then why are you so adamant about bashing me?

You may say I am not worthwhile but you have yet to offer a political counter-point to my links and statements. All you do is sit there and degrade.
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^dude. you put an extremely liberal newspaper that called for the assassination of bush and the bbc on the same page.

no logic problems there? yah?

he's not saying that someone that says 'kerry is a communist hippy bastard that should be killed' and anyone from the fox news network are on the same page.
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How is 'Fox news is biased' a similar claim to 'One editorial from a newspaper says we should kill the president, so a news outlet from the same country must think the same thing'? I don't think I was being hypocritical. You can claim BBC bias all you want, but I'm afraid they aren't promoting presidential homicide. Nor, though this might seem disappointing given your apparent dislike for the continent, is Europe. You'll have to look elsewhere for pointless sensationalism, I'm afraid.

As for me arguing you, I've heard all of the points you've made since you joined argued at least ten times over during the past year, and better argued more than once. I'm tired of repeating myself. Use the search feature and argue with the me of 9 months ago, or 6 months, or 4, but don't expect me to Answer thesame question a dozen times. It's really rather boring. This is why you're not worth spending time on.

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JD don't back-pedal your way out by saying its not worth arguing. That is the easy way out. And just so you know, I only started posting here again about a month and a half ago.

B-Wald, I know I said the BBC and Guardian are biased. I was calling JD a hypocrite for lambasting me on my statements and turning around and blasting FOX. I don't have much respect for someone who won't counter another person's point just because of the source it came from. If the source is wrong certainly it can be debunked....right?

And Rekker, just so you know, I am a right-winger and I have no problem with that. Nor have I ever denied being a right-winger.

What I have a problem with is people like JD who call me a sheep when I clearly illustrated that I also pay attention to a liberal view-point. I have seen liberal movies, I have read liberal books, and I have listened to Liberal commentators. Actions I doubt JD has ever taken when it comes to Conservatives.
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Wow, you've sure got my number. You're totally worth arguing with. Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not about to be baited into a pointless squabble, certainly not with an individual of your qualities. Claim 'easy way out' (I seem to remember the 5th grade equivalent of this tactic, I believe it involved waving one's arms about and calling 'chicken' over and over again) all you want, but you're the one looking childish here. I've seen it and answered it before, and I'm not repeating myself. And I already pointed out the difference between my statement and yours.

I find it humorous that there have been two other people making the same claim about FNews within this very thread, but you're focussed on me. It's like you have some grand ambition to argue with me and only me. Sorry, but as I've said, you're really not worth it.

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JD did I ever accuse the BBC of promoting assassination? No. I simply stated that they, like The Guardian, are liberally biased.

And your right, I don't like Europe...their diplomacy that is. In my opinion most of the governments are far too socialistic for my liking. I also believe that they put to much faith in the UN. An organization that I find to be rather corrupt. Clinton wants to take a run at being the head of the UN and I believe that that could be the best thing for that organization (despite the fact that as a President I did not agree with the majority of things he did) as long as Clinton does push for the UN to interfere with American politics.
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JD, once again, if I am so politically 'uninformed' as you like to claim, certainly you could debunk me in a matter of seconds. Yet you keep back-pedaling, claiming that you have argued such points months ago, as I stated before, I was not here months ago.

Grand ambition to argue with you? Not quite. But I do have the ambition to get something more intelligent out of you besides the word 'sheep' and the phrase 'your not worth it.'
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You're not worth it. You're. Contraction of 'You' and 'are'. Your is possessive. That's slightly more intelligent than 'sheep', isn't it? Now go away.

''as I stated before, I was not here months ago. ''

Yes, as I said, look back. It's really not all that difficult to understand. You use this snazzy little feature:

To find similar threads, and my opinions have been posted therein. I'm really not here for your (possessive) enlightenment, and I apologize for any impression you may have had to the contrary. Because of this (possibly surprising) fact, I'm not about to repeat myself solely for your benefit. I'm just selfish that way, I guess. This is all fairly amusing, though, which is odd, because normally you're (contraction) just annoying.

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Stange thing is, Freezy, I never even said that the BBC was unbiased, nor did I compare that bias to Fox News'.

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I agree witrh the editorial. Is that bad?
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no, just radical. but we all already knew that..,.


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You're not worth it. You're. Contraction of 'You' and 'are'. Your is possessive. That's slightly more intelligent than 'sheep', isn't it? Now go away.

''as I stated before, I was not here months ago. ''

Yes, as I said, look back. It's really not all that difficult to understand. You use this snazzy little feature:

To find similar threads, and my opinions have been posted therein. I'm really not here for your (possessive) enlightenment, and I apologize for any impression you may have had to the contrary. Because of this (possibly surprising) fact, I'm not about to repeat myself solely for your benefit. I'm just selfish that way, I guess. This is all fairly amusing, though, which is odd, because normally you're (contraction) just annoying.


Wow, JD I made a typo. It still doesn't support your 'you're not worth it statement.' And your right it is not amusing becase, despite your childish 'school-yard bully' tactics of name calling and telling someone they are not worth it, I won't go away. I will stand behind my beliefs till the day I die. If I were to succumb to your tactics and leave as you so arrogantly requested I would become one of your 'sheep.'

Guess what JD? I won't be joining your flock anytime soon. And everytime I post it seems like you respond with frivolous phrases.

If I am not worth it, why bother replying?
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I find the article a bit ridiculous. They made their point but then finishing it up with an assassination call on our president makes their point completely ridiculous. Jibtech is correct. most of the world does not like us right now. BBC is biased in their own way. they are not left or right. Because they do not support Bush doesn not mean if Kerry is elected they will support him. Fox News is leaning towards the right as CNN is towards the left. The BBC is from another prospective. For any of you to think that a news station does not have political bias, you are wrong. ALL STATIONS HAVE BIAS. Al Jazera is obviously in support of Middle Eastern, Quorran led politics and does not support the US.
Europe hated FDR for a long time and then after we saved them in World War 2, we were loved. Now the French and German's seem to have forgotten that. I think we were rushed into this war in Iraq but that argument is over. We're already there and it's clear from watching the debate that neither candidate has a clear exit plan.
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''And your right...' You're right. You're. I thought I just went over this.

''despite your childish 'school-yard bully' tactics of name calling and telling someone they are not worth it''
Apparently you're (contraction) incapable of reading anything except that which you want to see. I don't know why I find that surprising... anyways, I told you you weren't worth it simply because I've said it all before. You, personally, have nothing to do with it, and therefore this is not really an insult to you, personally. As far as I'm concerned, you're (contraction) just another con posting and reposting ideas that have been expressed dozens, if not hundreds of times. I've said my piece on these issues enough. But perhaps I needed to be more clear: your (possesive) ideas are not worth any more of my time, simply because they've already taken up enough of it in the past. I don't see why this is so hard to understand, and I won't be explaining it again. If you still can't grasp this, read the last paragraph over again. Please.

''If I am not worth it, why bother replying?''
Case in point... how many times have we heard THAT one? Dozens, from Dspin7x alone.

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'your not worth it' is JD_May's way of saying I'm not sure how to argue your point, but I think I am the smartest person on this site which is full of 14 year olds.

Anew, if you do decide to make that cult you were talking about, you might also want to make a 'We bitterly dislike JD May' cult. You could probably find a few to join that one, too.

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Ok first of all, the text is dumb. If there is a God, religion teaches us he won't change the opinions of Americans on the night of november first to make Kerry win. It's very dumb, I concede, but for me it almost looks like satire, a sarcastic article. It's a bit too dumb. Taken out of context, however, it's impossible too know.

Oh and the world is hoping that Bush will lose, Graves, saying fuck Europeans doesen't change that. YOU would be nothing without THEM, as you are an old colony... plus last time I looked the pound and the euro were still stronger than the U.S dollar, and economy was flourishing in Europe with the ever-succesfuel EU.
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nothing is impartial, but just throwing the BBC into a completely unrelated argument is stupid. im giving up arguing with right wing americans. im not going to change their views and they arn't going to change mine.

also have ANY of you considered that this article is not 100% serious? maybe its because you're all American, but i find it hard to believe that's true.

I find it amusing that the term 'extreme liberalism' came up in this slugfest. No extreme left wing sources have been mentioned in either sides case, as per usual within America the argument is between right wing, and a more centre ideal. I'm not going to condone either candidate because they are both rich men with an incredible disconnect from the people, the only reason the world wants Kerry is because he isn't bush, he policies are hardly extreme towards the left.

There is nothing extreme in liberalism because in contemporary terms, liberals are fence sitters between the right and the left, the problem in the united states system is that because of the cold war and conditions therein, there is no left wing voice in main stream america. This leaves Democrats in the centre to be portrayed as commies because they are as far left as America knows.

About the article, a truly bad idea to print, no one should be threatened with death. If they had done their history and were not speaking in jest (Which the British do sometimes), they wouldn't have called for assassination because they would know that shooting a President only means that their party will win a landslide in the forthcomming election, and you Bush haters, if you think things were bad with him, imagine 4 years of President Cheney

^Even if it is a joke... that would be pretty damn low.

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True, I don't condone that, it just seems to me to be the British dry humour, meant to get a chuckle and be forgotten.

Sorry, I was actually pointing at the guy above you. You, I agree with completely. Unfortunately, you'll have one hell of a time getting any American conservatives to admit that there's something to your claim. Judging from my experience, they seem to be of the position that the rest of the world is just too damn far to the left.

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