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before u learn fives...can u 1 and 3 both ways and can u tweak them however u want. once u can do that everything will just come. you wont be thinking 5 anymore. youll be thinking rodeo 5 or misty 5 with a bow and arrow. i did that and now it seems as if i can do anything i want whenever i want. learning grabs with spins opens up a lot of doors. just put that in mind.