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5DIII vs. 7D + lenses...

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DopeNZ
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M&A, give me your vote.

Do i get a 5Diii with a couple lenses?

or

A 7D again with bulk lenses...?

I have a bit of $ to play with, dont convince me to switch brands.

Also, what would be your favourite canon L lenses for video??


Jun 15 2012 7:42PM
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Sklar
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how much money are we talking?
Jun 15 2012 7:43PM
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1337
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7d+lenses for sure. Glass is way better to invest in. Actually, if you're just doing video, get a t2i. Photos would be another story (7d). But if you have a budget that is decently big enough for quite a few lenses with a 1k+ body, then the extra ~$500 would be even better.
Jun 15 2012 7:43PM
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plorr
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What do you mean a 7D again? You already have one/had one? Also is this primarily for video or still use?
Jun 15 2012 7:46PM
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DopeNZ
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Insurance claim, Had 7d and alot of vintage glass, getting replacements, so have about 10K nz to play with. I shoot stills aswell, so yer gotta be 7 or 5.
Jun 15 2012 7:55PM
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1337
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can you buy used? A 5d II is sweet and can be had for ~$1600, just sayin :)
10k NZD is about 7,9USD
I'd say:
1600 USD - 7d/5dII (5dIII is nothing special, not worth your time)
1200 USD - Canon 16-35 2.8L II
1000 USD/2000 USD - Canon 70-200 2.8L (IS II if you have the space in your budget)
750 USD - Canon 28-70 2.8L
Then go nuts on primes
850 USD - Canon 135 2L
400 USD - Rokinon 35 1.4
250 USD - Rokinon 85 1.4
650 USD - Rokinon 24 1,4
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1200 USD left, buy a sachtler tripod with the leftover and you'll be golden!
Jun 15 2012 8:03PM
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S.C
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If you play your cards right... (prices in USD)

7d- $1000
Tokina 11-16- $600
Canon 24-105- $800
Canon 35L- $1100

Then spend the rest on rigging, flashes, filters, a nice tripod, or whatever else suits your needs. Save the money you dont need to spend
Jun 15 2012 8:14PM
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DopeNZ
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Nah, cant buy used, got credit for equivalents at camerashop.

That was another question, is it REEEEEALY that much diff mk2 vs. mk3
Jun 15 2012 8:16PM
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eheath
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what are you filming mostly? if you're filming skiing, i wouldn't even consider the 5d. The 60d seems to be the best canon for filming.


How much video vs photo are you doing?
Jun 16 2012 12:04AM
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S.C
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key differences:


What the Mark III has that the Mark II doesnt:
moire-free video mode
slightly better video codec
change audio levels while recording video
720/60p
faster burst
greatly improved AF
SD card slot in addition to CF
significantly improved lowlight performance



If those are worth $2000 extra to you, then the Mark iii is just what you are looking for.
Jun 16 2012 12:06AM
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eheath
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Ok so I know you told us not to try and convince you for a different brand, butttt



let me suggest something, see what you think.


Buy a use d200/d300 nikon camera. Really solid photo camera.

Buy a bunch of SICK nikon lenses (better than canon IMO)

Buy a gh2 for video. Use the nikon lenses on your gh2 with an adapter.

You could have a SICK setup with a gh2 and a bunch of top notch lenses for 5k then you have 5k to spend on a nikon photo cam and setup. eh?
Jun 16 2012 12:27AM
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plorr
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This would be ideal. I think this is my eventual plan when I get some money to buy a body for photos.
Jun 16 2012 12:36AM
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eheath
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to be specific


Nikon d300 - $1700
Tokina 11-16 - $600
Tamron 17-50 - $350
Nikon 80-200 2.8 - $800
Nikon 300 - $250
Samyang 35mm 1.4 - $650 (or something)
Samyang 85mm 1.4 - $290
Nikon 50mm 1.4 - $100
Nikon 24-70mm another like 700-800 bucks

total $5400

Gh2 - $899

total - 6400

Satchler Ace tripod - 500

glidecam 2000 HD - 500

total 7400. So thats your video and photo setup, minus mic and flashes. You could have an epic gh2/d300 setup
Jun 16 2012 1:28AM
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zbphoto
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Heath that is some major overlap between the tamron, the 24-70, and those primes....
Jun 16 2012 1:36AM
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eheath
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i mean, kinda but not really, they dont make a 50-80 lens, so suck it ha. Plus, you yourself should know the operation of a prime lens is much different than a than a zoom lens.
Jun 16 2012 1:40AM
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eheath
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whoooops forgot you were NZ money, you could eliminate a few of those lenses to compensate for different gear like mics and flashes etc
Jun 16 2012 1:49AM
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TijmenDal
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Personally, I HATE overlap. I also REALLY don't see the use in having every focal length. I reckon it could be different with video, but I'm really happy with my 14mm/28mm/35mm/50mm/85mm/135mm prime set. Zooming while filming looks cool, but I don't think anyone on here does it right? Because you need to zoom and focus at the same time and all that?

What Evan says sounds like the best option. Or if you really want to stick with Canon you can do the same with Canon glass and use those electronic adapters, in the end it really doesn't matter as long as you know your gear like the back of your hand. Nikon would probably take some getting used to, but if you read the manual, fool around, go out and shoot and have fun you'll probably be used to Nikon in a month.
Jun 16 2012 6:10AM
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DopeNZ
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This.

I understand where Evan is coming from, and the advantages of the GH2 etc. but, i think i will stick with Canon as i know it through and through, i can set up a shot quick and easy, and i know the 7d.

I think i will go 7d, Tokina 11-16, (Fill this space), 70-200 f4 with 1.4 extender. Prime 24mm 2.8, 50mm 1.4.

I shot a bunch of stills, and im looking at getting into it more aswell, theyve replaced my 2 yongnuo shit flashes with 430ex's too which is nice of them.

So what im looking for is the fill this gap lense(s)...

Suggestions of L series from 16-70 gap to fill it? its a pretty critical photo range so probly needs to be one of my nicer lenses.
Jun 16 2012 6:56AM
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[J_Gasper]
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^ i mean you could go 24-70 f/2.8, but if you need something wider, you can go canon 16-35 or 17-40 and of course tamron 17-50. I think those are really your only choices.
Jun 16 2012 9:32AM
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edai
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Yea I would go with the 24-70 L to fill that gap, the 8mm gap wont be very noticable.
Jun 16 2012 9:34AM
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eheath
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i own a 18-200 and a 17-50... big over lap but they both serve a purpose. the 17-50 is 2.8 while the 18-200 is 3.5-6.3. The tamron I use for more specific shots around 24 and 35, if i wanna shoot 50 i use my 50mm and then anything longer im using my 18-200. The whole point of having primes and zooms is speed. yeah a 24-105 covers a huge range,but its a f4. same with a 70-200 but unless you have 2gs its gonna be f4. a 85 1.4 or 1.8 is very cheap compared to a fast zoom, know what im saying? same with a 35mm 1.4, little more expensive but much faster than 2.8. Sometimes you need a fast lens and having just 2.8 or f4 zooms can bite you in the ass.
Jun 16 2012 10:31AM
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zbphoto
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Fair enough, if I owned all the L primes I would probably be able to justify the purchase of a 24-70 for those 1 or 2 lens scenarios. But I haven't seen someone zoom during video in years, so I figure if he's going to get a bunch of primes then he could skip either the 24-70 or 17-50 and maybe get a fisheye or something longer.
Jun 16 2012 11:27AM
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1337
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no need for both a 17-50 and 24-70. absolutely no justification of that.
Jun 16 2012 11:31AM
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.Max.
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Personally here's what I would do for glass:

7d: Tokina 11-16, tamron 17-50, canon 35 1.4L, Canon 50 1.4, Canon 70-200 2.8L is

5d: 16-35L, 35 1.4L, 50 1.4, 70-200 2.8L is and a 1.4x teleconverter
Jun 16 2012 1:07PM
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TijmenDal
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If I would have some money to throw around for glass, I'd get 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm, 70-200 f/4 IS. I really don't see the purpose in fast telephoto zooms unless you're shooting indoor sports.
24mm: Olympus Zuiko (f/2.8 or f/2.0)
35mm: Samyang 35mm f/1.4 Hands down best lens ever
50mm: Sigma 50mm f/1.4
85mm: Canon 85mm f/1.4

Should cost you 2500$ tops I guess (don't know NZ prices though).
Jun 17 2012 11:38AM
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1337
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Canon doesnt make a 1,4

I'd suggest the rokinon, I used one at a wedding last night and it was awesome. Focus ring was smootthhhh
Jun 17 2012 12:29PM
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zbphoto
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Canon 85mm 1.8 is a great lens, but you scarifies like 1/3 of a stop for auto focus.
Jun 17 2012 12:31PM
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[~_~]
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Too bad the "moiré free" feature is just a crappy softening filter placed in front of the sensor, and the "improved video codec" isn't really an improvement at all.
Jun 18 2012 3:39PM
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remster
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Seeing as you're in chch, Paul's camera shop on riccarton road had a 7d and a 5diii when I was there on saturday. Also ken's cameras on peterborough st? stock canon and always have a mean range. Photo warehouse stock manfrotto tripods and heads.
Jun 19 2012 4:16AM
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