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Marker squire vs squire shizo

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MYNAMEISCARSON
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I am an intermediate park skier and like to ski powder and all mountain occasionally. I was wandering if it would be worth the extra money to buy the marker bindings that move 6 cm on your skis and if they would fit your needs.
May 9 2012 10:02AM
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Pipe_Munky
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buy griffons instead...you'll be happy you did!
May 9 2012 11:02AM
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50Kal
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This is just my personal opinion, marker royal line sucks. I'd say go with almost any other brand and you would have better luck.
With that being said Id recommend rossignol axium 100. Good binding it will last for a long time and its easy to resell cause alot of people like it.

 I'd say dont get the schizo (If you stick with marker) cause there is less contact with the ski which equals less performance on your ski.  If your only in the park your not gonna be playing with the settings much cause your on the same type of surface all the time.
If you were doing every thing on the mountain maybe then so you ride dead center in the park and -4 back for powder. But with the schizo your gonna have LESS PERFORMANCE cause its not drilled as well into the ski. Its on a flimsy track thats drilled it to the ski instead of being directly drilled into the ski.

Like I said I dont Like marker for lots of reasons. The only time I've ridden then is on demos cause thats what they got. Every time I ride the Griffon schizo feels like the plates gonna snap on me.
I'd highly recommend Rossi/Dyna/Look company. Its what I use and never has given me any premature ejections and comes off when It should. 

Thats my rant on marker. Peace.

BTW: the House boardshop is trying get rid of last years gear. you can probably get good bindings close to a $100.00
http://www.the-house.com/ski-bindings.html
May 9 2012 11:04AM
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Mag
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^agreed
May 9 2012 3:30PM
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shred_nasty
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shizos suck. their base plates always break. if you want to go marker get just the regular griffons.
May 9 2012 3:36PM
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snakerton
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shizo is ass. they always break. like everyone else said, get griffons
May 9 2012 3:39PM
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selkirks
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I highly disagree with the statement that the Royal Family of bindings "sucks." in fact, I'be had nothing but positive things to say about my Griffons. I don't know how a binding can get so divisive.
May 9 2012 7:36PM
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Skiingsnow
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by breaking alot
May 9 2012 8:05PM
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rozboon
Posts: 1642 - Karma: 868
This. It really f*cks up your ski trip when you bin a lincoln on your first day and both your Jester's toepieces turn into bobbleheads.
May 9 2012 9:10PM
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MYNAMEISCARSON
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the skis that i will probably get are they k2 recoils and they shziofrantic inserts. will that help the preformance of the bindings?
May 10 2012 10:01AM
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MYNAMEISCARSON
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^have
May 10 2012 10:01AM
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snakerton
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itl probably hurt the performance. schizo sucks. they come loose the the bindings adjust when you dont want them too
May 10 2012 10:15AM
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mountainviper
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Yeah first don't get the squires unless your a hundred pound non aggressive skier. I don't care what the ratings say or what some kids on here say...they will break. Can't tell ya how many younger guys who are new to the scene but those cause they're cheap and they break. IMO they're a safety hazard. The rest of the royal line is good though. I've never had an issue with mine. (knock on wood). As far as the schizo part goes I'd recommend against those as well. Peeps say the new Schizos are better quality but I personally wouldn't trust em. Too many extra moving parts to fail IMO. These were developed to make skis designed for one disci
May 10 2012 11:56AM
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mountainviper
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God I hate the mobile version! Anyway they were designed to make skis of a certain discipline able to ski variable conditions that the ski wasn't intended for. Good idea but there are so many great all mountain hybrid skis out there now that can go from park to pow with ease and no need to change the mounting point. Save yourself the headache and get a ski that does it all on a near center mount. The new bacons are an excellent example or next years chronics. (though I doubt the chronics will perform on the deep days.)
May 10 2012 12:01PM
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Aiden-P
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get the griffons for sure
May 10 2012 2:15PM
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selkirks
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I honestly think that it's because it's so popular. So the instances of breakage get more attention.
May 11 2012 4:00PM
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mountainviper
Posts: 1931 - Karma: -3
It's also due to guys who buy the Griffs for weight and then push the ability of the binding. If your a light guy and ride zero park then you can get away with the squire. If your a lighter guy who isnt a total park rat and isn't goin big then use the Griffs. If your doin alot of park and are a fairly aggressive skier go jesters. If your goin huge in the park and/or droppin big cliffs or generally pushing the boundaries of what equipment can handle then ya go jester pro. That's simply from a durability perspective and isn't accounting for personal din. The simple answer is the jester has a metal heelpiece that will take those big impacts much better than the Griffs plastic heelpiece.
May 12 2012 10:31AM
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rozboon
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Where it all comes crashing down for me is the plastic pylon assembly they use for ALL their bindings... it's where the top half of the toe-piece attached to the bottom half, the thing is held in by a single metal pin and the fact that it's square-sided in a square hole... but a couple of massive hits is all it takes to stretch out the hole it sits in so the entire top of the toe-piece can rock forwards-backwards. And that's even the same on the Jester Pro, which seems a bit mad to me. Adding a big spring and some metal toe-wings to what is effectively a 12-DIN toe does not make it suitable for the kind of madness that needs 18 DIN. All in my opinion, of course.
May 13 2012 8:03PM
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Eloi
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I like the squires

May 14 2012 12:01AM
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rozboon
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I'm not sure if you're trolling or just 12? Such an unquantified remark suggests one or the other.

May 14 2012 1:18AM
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SKI.ING
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Wow, this is a quality post. Sums up what everyone tries to say when they don't back Marker's Royal Family. Well put my friend, +k for breaking it down.
May 14 2012 2:42AM
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mackcamp
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Squires and Griffons both suck, Go with Jesters or change binding companies. Tyrolia and Solomon make some good lower DIN bindings.
May 14 2012 12:19PM
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snakerton
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How do griffons suck?
May 14 2012 12:35PM
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mackcamp
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Plastic, plastic and more plastic.  Pretty much everything that is metal on the Jesters, is plastic on the Griffons. I just don't trust them IMO.
May 14 2012 1:16PM
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snakerton
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I have used griffons on everything from 30 foot cliffs to rails to deep pow and never had any problems
May 14 2012 1:36PM
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rozboon
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Be sure to quantify your post... how old are you, how tall are you, what skis are you on and how much do you weigh?

I'm about 185lbs and the Jesters on my Hellbents broke constantly once I got to a certain level of riding. I am always a little bit skeptical when people claim to slay so hard on Griffons with no problems.

p.s. Are you sure you've gone 30ft on a cliff? Seriously, go measure out 30ft some time, it's pretty huge. Like 3 stories of a building kind of huge. The biggest drop I took last season was probably around 20ft and that was pretty damn large.

May 14 2012 7:25PM
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snakerton
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im 15, 5 11, 130 lbs. i have jumped 30 foot cliffs. im a sponsored, competing skier. 30 feets nothin
May 14 2012 8:17PM
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rozboon
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With all due respect, I went and watched a couple of your edits, and you're... an alright skier? The biggest drop in your edits was maybe 15-18ft and you hottubbed it anyway. There's a big difference between dropping a cliff cleanly and falling off a cliff into pow. From your edit, you're in the second half. And if you got your sponsors on Hookit, they don't count, I'm sorry to say. Anyone can get sponsored on Hookit.

This is why you don't break Griffons.

May 14 2012 9:14PM
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snakerton
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yeah bro i guess your right
May 14 2012 9:37PM
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Six.0.Tree-ski
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you're.. stupid. I love seeing kids wearing 4xl in the park, full tilts, armada halos, mounted with squires. it really makes my day.
May 14 2012 10:55PM
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snakerton
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how is that relevant to what i said
May 14 2012 10:59PM
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Six.0.Tree-ski
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YOU'RE not relevant.
May 14 2012 11:04PM
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.ZT.
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May 31 2012 9:54PM
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