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Lord_Piot
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Pelosi also was critical of a Republican proposal that would establish a national sales tax.

Pelosi called the proposed national sales tax, co-sponsored by House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, a mistake that would raise the cost of a $20,000 car to $26,000.



They are starting to have to tax mroe and more in order to sustain the debt it has dug itself into. Soon the USD will no longer be the standard at which oil and other commodities are sold. The currency will fall in value in comparison to others. Since the US is a giant and bloated consumer this will make your imports more expensive. This with the new taxes (read your paycheck goes to the government) needed to keep the economy alive everyone will becomre poor. Like depression poor. Have fun!
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Sep 25 2004 3:56PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/25/radio.address/index.html

is the link where i read the tax thing.
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Sep 25 2004 3:57PM
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the Euro is becoming stronger the the US $ every day!

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Sep 25 2004 3:59PM
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and to think bush is still ahead in the poles...makes me want to vomit/cry/pee/poop/pick my nose/bleed profusely from my ass crack



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It's funny that you post so much stuff saying it will lead to the downfall of the U.S., well maybe it will... But you also seem to think that it will in no way affect Canada, or Europe... Well, in todays global economy It doesn't work that way, especially if countries are close trade partners. But of course you're an economist, a world diplomat, and an intellectual on the same level as Nobel prize winners. Oh how silly...


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Sep 25 2004 4:08PM
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mabey canada, and no doubt it will affect europpe but im sur ethat europe could survive on its own

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Sep 25 2004 4:22PM
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canada could survive...dont forget alberta and the arctic have lots of oil. Alberta could be the next north american kuwait.
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Sep 25 2004 4:35PM
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its not a question of bush or kerry anymore...
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Sep 25 2004 4:35PM
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My ass, if the U.S. goes under canadians are screwed too. Europe would also be screwed. We're all so interconnected that if any major player goes belly up, all the other major players will take a significant hit.



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Sep 25 2004 5:08PM
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Hi piot, towelhead. Anyway, guess who Americas biggest trading partner is? DING DING DING! Canadaland! If we go down prepare to go down with us. By saying raising taxes will lead to the downfall of America is jsut ridiclous. Some european countries with lots of social programs citizens pay like 60% of their income in tax.


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Sep 25 2004 5:12PM
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i think i remember reading that 86 per cent of imports into canada come from the US.















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Sep 25 2004 5:30PM
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haha yup im a towel head.

your a nigger.

there like that?
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Sep 25 2004 6:28PM
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Keep your radical islamic dreams to yourself, Americas gonna be around for a while.


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Sep 25 2004 6:32PM
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no shit man, what's your deal Piot?? Last time I checked our economy is doing just fine and there are many jobs available all over.
You forget that the U.S. is a large country with many motivated people here. All states have their own tax code that decides how much we pay in taxes. All states are not governed under one rule.
Oil is going to be a resource of the past, and become one of last resorts. We will find more efficient ways to conserve oil. New cars are extremely efficient, other than SUV's.

The states are a good place to live man. I don't know when you became so angry towards us. It will be interesting to see what happens in the future with all countries througout the world. We are in a global community now, overpopulation has occured. All we can do is each do a small part to make things better for the future.
man, your just a hater. Just because you guys have legalized ganja, you think your better?? Well, the U.s. will be there soon, just wait. Medical maryjane is becoming legal all over. Then we will start growing hemp and our economy will be just fine. We just have to make it happen.
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Sep 25 2004 8:10PM
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Sep 25 2004 8:16PM
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Er... I'm going to go out on a limb here, and predict that the barring major nuclear war in the next four years, the U.S. will never collapse, or at the very least, it will not do so in the forseeable future. However, fade slowly over a couple of decades? That's another story altogether.

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Sep 25 2004 8:19PM
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Canadians pay way to much tax as it is PAUL...
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Sep 25 2004 8:23PM
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You think Alberta is going to share with Ontario? Ahhhhhhhh haaaa ha. And no we can't survive on our own. Look at what BSE did to the farmers in CANADA. Its our own fault for depending so much on the states and letting everyone know when one of our cows tested positive. Oh wait, that was the responsibility of the Feds aka Liberal Party.

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Sep 25 2004 8:27PM
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I think america's economic power will decrease over the next few decades. Only because thats a natural progression as other countries become more advanced and committed to making their economies grow. The wealth will probably be spread around a little more. I don't really think it will be a big deal though.



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Sep 25 2004 8:39PM
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my dad thinks it's about time my family moves out of the united states.... i wouldn't mind.


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Sep 25 2004 8:43PM
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The only immediate collapse would occur if all the oil inexplicably dried up and we hit production/price peak, destroying our economy and causing us to start a resource war with the entire Middle East, China, and Russia. Barring that, the devaluing of our currency would only bring the U.S. to the point of collapse over several decades.


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Sep 25 2004 8:48PM
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Sep 25 2004 8:59PM
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strong economy? repeat after me: $422 billion deficit, by the end of fiscal year 2004 (which ends at the end of october) i agree with piot we're screwed
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Sep 25 2004 10:12PM
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anyone know aaabout the 'great white flight' ?? ye im gonna re-enact that shit and go to canada



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Sep 25 2004 10:15PM
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a 422 billion dollar deficit isn't that bad. Thats only 2000 dollars for every person over 18. We could eliminate the national debt if we really wanted to. But the debt is just a number. We owe the money to ourselves.

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Sep 25 2004 10:31PM
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So in theorie you can takedown your own country by taking all of your saving out of the banks.

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Sep 25 2004 11:22PM
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''We owe the money to ourselves. '' - you know what that means??? just what piot was saying, inflation, inflation, inflation!

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Sep 25 2004 11:25PM
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I dont understand why we would get tax cuts while we go to war. It doesnt make sense to me. If you are at war you will need a lot of money so I dont get why we would be giving it back. It strikes me as irresponsible



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Sep 26 2004 9:18AM
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this is EXACTLY why im moving to canada when im 18


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Sep 26 2004 9:56AM
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'a 422 billion dollar deficit isn't that bad. Thats only 2000 dollars for every person over 18.'. And then you applaud the tax refund that was given out. Whoop-de-doo! 422 billion dollars is such a huge amount that it seems trivial to you. that's 422 times one million times one thousand dollars.

On the subjet matter, everyone knows that the U.S will soon start declining into becoming just another country, and the new superpower will be China, and probably after that India. India is like what China was after their revolution... look where China is. Plus India's population is growing faster than China and it's economy is starting to get better.
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Sep 26 2004 10:08AM
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China still has a long way to go. They have more people in poverty, then there are people in US. China's major cites are the ONLY places that are showing any growth. Once you leave places like Beijing, Shanghai, and Hong Kong, it a whole different story.

Population growth is not necessarily a good thing. China has been having huge issues with controlling the growth of their population. If the growth can't be controlled, then they wont be able to support themeless. You said India's population is growing even faster than China, give it a few more years and they will have the same issues as China. India also has a similar issues with poverty.

If anything it will be several decades, at least, if India and China pass the US. Their economies are showing growth, but they do not have nearly the current influence the our economy has on the market. It will be a long time.

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Sep 26 2004 11:40AM
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^You need to think back to your History/Social Studies 10 course and remember the industrial revolution. China is finally seeing its industrial revolution happen, and its already being recognized on the G8 and by pretty much everyone as the next superpower. Think of Britan pre revolution - for the most part it is the same as china is right now on a much smaller scale. Benifits of the revolution catapulted Britian even further ahead of the world, and then sent the US to the top as the number 1 superpower. Now imagine what a industrial revolution can do with a country that houses over a billion people. Of course - with more people it will take alot longer, I dont expect china to even start to take off for another 50 years.
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Sep 26 2004 11:57AM
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^You need to actually look at my post. I never said it wasn't going to happen, I simply stated it was going to take a long time.

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Sep 26 2004 12:00PM
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That is discounting the fact the US will actually cease to grow.

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Sep 26 2004 12:01PM
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^ OPEC will keep won't embargo U.S it would be business suicide. The problem America is facing in the near future is the fact we cannot compete with cheap labor of large countries such as china. Textile business's in America are history as is the Steel industry. In a sense we are victums of our own success. Our labor is worth so much to our people that other people who work for peanuts can get as much accomplished. The government is subsidizing many industries who are doomed for failure. But China has and India have a pretty fast population growth which is not very good. The faster your population grows the faster you outgrow social institutions and your countries ability to deal with the load. America has a 2-3% population growth which is are very capable of keeping up with. We can speculate all day but only the future will tell.


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Sep 26 2004 12:59PM
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Well I dont have statistics about this on hand but I'm assuming the U.S is at least top 3 in oil consumption if not the highest. Would Opec have say over oil in Alaska or could we just pump that if worse came to worse?


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Sep 26 2004 1:13PM
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More and more of our low income labour jobs are going to china, india, bengladesh and haiti(well maybe not so much now), and high quality labour could be easily replaced by europe, and canada. The US is running out of natural resources very quickly, thats where canada comes in.
So in the end, china, EU and canada could totally fuck over the US in their time of crisis. It will take time, but its possible. Personally, i think that if you guys vote for bush because of his foreign policy, and he wins then the majority of the US doesnt care about other countries, so why should we care about the US?



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Sep 26 2004 1:14PM
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All car manufacturers should start making their cars run on french fry grease.



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Sep 26 2004 1:20PM
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^ jesus christ if someone could harness the power of the average stupid fat american...

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Sep 26 2004 7:39PM
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'guess who Americas biggest trading partner is? DING DING DING! Canadaland!'

Well it sure makes me feel good to know that if we go down, we're taking Canada with us.

Now I can sleep at night.


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guess who slapped stupid taffifs on canadian wood? Guess who closed the border to canadian beef? Two HUGE Canadian exports to the US got either shut down completely or greatly reduced, it forced Canada to find other markets and also proved one important thing and I'll put in caps so you dumbshits understand. CANADA DOESN'T NEED THE US IN ANY WAY. If the US doesnt buy shit, other countries will. Canada sold to the US only because there was a huge market in the backyard, it was more out of conveinence. The same thing could happen with oil, grain, metals, you name it. The beef and lumber was the start, Canada simply needs to get used to finding other markets because the US isn't reliable anymore and is on the decline.

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Sep 26 2004 9:47PM
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how about china just wants more more more of everything. there are lots more people having lots more babies eating lots more kfc and driving and drinking water thats being drilled from wells 4000 feet deep. china is where its all happening now and theyre running out of water... which means theyre going to run out of food... which is going to cause issues.
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Sep 26 2004 9:58PM
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^It goes both ways, though, we import an absolutely huge amount from down there. Any problems with the American economy do have their effect on us, positive or negative. Do I think we could survive without them? Probably, although it would require massive organizational changes. Hell, we could probably be almost entirely self-sufficient, but it wouldn't be very pleasant as far as standards/costs of living go, at least compared to now. We're better off up here with the US intact and functioning, folks. Get used to it. Of course, we'd be even better off if they weren't traipising around asia minor imposing their will, but so would the rest of the world.

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Sep 26 2004 10:00PM
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if you haven't noticed, the US recession has made an impact on the rest of the world (yes, the canadians and euros included). if the US were to go under any further, the rest of the world would feel it. it's like a house of cards - if the foundation (and the US is the foundation of the global economy, even with all our debt that this wonderful president and his predecessors have bestowed upon us) moves, it will effect the rest of the cards above it. i'm not saying this to be all 'oh the US is better than your country' (i'd love to live in switzerland where it's a direct democracy and they have good chocolate), i'm saying this merely to demonstrate that we're all connected and if one of us goes under, someone else is going to feel it.

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Sep 26 2004 10:13PM
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Lord Piot Wrote:

Pelosi also was critical of a Republican proposal that would establish a national sales tax.

Pelosi called the proposed national sales tax, co-sponsored by House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, a mistake that would raise the cost of a $20,000 car to $26,000.



They are starting to have to tax mroe and more in order to sustain the debt it has dug itself into. Soon the USD will no longer be the standard at which oil and other commodities are sold. The currency will fall in value in comparison to others. Since the US is a giant and bloated consumer this will make your imports more expensive. This with the new taxes (read your paycheck goes to the government) needed to keep the economy alive everyone will becomre poor. Like depression poor. Have fun!




Sorry but you spun this whole thing out of proportion. The proposed national sales tax would only be implemented if the income tax was nearly/completely eliminated.

The wealthy spend more money anyways so they would likely still be taxed more than the poor. This would eliminate loopholes and other things people often do to lower the tax payments. If you don't want to pay taxes, don't buy anything, simple enough.

Nice try on the spin though, it almost worked.
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'everyone knows that the U.S will soon start declining into becoming just another country, and the new superpower will be China, and probably after that India' YEA RIGHT....China is a looong way to go, yea they have some good things going for them, only bcz they pay ppl like $.50 an hour and they have so many ppl to work under all types of circumstances...If you guys think the US is going to collapse any time soon you have another thing coming. This is a joke...



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