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Heat mold yes or no?

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M.Freeman
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Would i be stupid not to heat mold my full tilt booters at a ski shop for 50$?.. Is it really a huge difference in comfort? +K for help.
Feb 10 2012 10:51PM
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SKI.ING
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I think you would be. Intuition liners are one of the main reasons people rave about full tilts. So if you payed hundreds of dollars for them, what's $50 more going to hurt. You're just maximizing your purchase and what you payed for. I would heat em up for sure. $50 is just a drop in the pond once you've already bought them, so go for it!
Feb 10 2012 11:01PM
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Julian.F
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id definitely but i cant beileve your shop charges $50 to do it when you just bought new boots
Feb 10 2012 11:07PM
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max...
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this. i got my heat molded for free. it seems as though it should be part of the boot fitting service.
Feb 10 2012 11:08PM
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k-fred
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i never heat molded mine and they fit my feet pretty well. try them without heat molding them and if you dont like the fit then heat mold them.
Feb 10 2012 11:08PM
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rudager
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If you just bought your boots from the shop, tell them that the heat mold should be included.
$50 is such a rip off, considering all they usually do is put them in the boot heater and then get you to put them on.

Feb 10 2012 11:35PM
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k-fred
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for 50$ ship them to me, it would cost 10$, ill heat mold them for you for free and them ship them back for 10$ haha

but seriously im sure there's another ski shops that will heat mold them for maybe 10$?
Feb 10 2012 11:37PM
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Parks.
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50 seems steep
Feb 10 2012 11:48PM
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Crispy.
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$50? My shop doesn't exactly rip people off, but their prices are VERY high. When I brought in my classics that I didn't even buy there they offered to heat mold the liners for free.
Feb 10 2012 11:50PM
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richard.
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*is. I'd find another shop at that point that can do it for free or a few dollars (especially since its very easy to do)
Feb 11 2012 12:05AM
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M.Freeman
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PS: i didn't buy the boots from the store as they don't sell the specific full tilt i have.... still, 50$ is such a rip off... im pretty sure they said 60$ actually, and 25$ waxing...
Feb 11 2012 12:25AM
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rudager
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Go to a different store than...
Perhaps even where you bought the boots.
Feb 11 2012 12:27AM
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onenerdykid
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If you didn't buy the boots from the store, then they should charge you. It is a technical process that helps fit the liner to your foot in a proper way. People are trained, tools are purchased, and expertise is required.

If you purchase boots from a shop, this service should be included in the price of the boot. It's part of the reason why you buy from a shop.
Feb 11 2012 7:02AM
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RyandaGod
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this exactly, services like this is what will keep shops around. While the internet might offer a little cheaper prices, getting fitted by someone who knows trained or being recommended a proper ski is essential imo.
Feb 11 2012 7:40AM
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ARMADAR7
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If i where you i would find a different shop, generally 20-30. Bucks is the going rate from i have seen, if you bought them thier than they should without a doubt heat mold them, if its a local shop tell them that you will be bringing youre buisness elswear if they dont do it for free after buying the boots from them, hope this helps and i apologize for any typos, i am doing this through moble
Feb 11 2012 8:22AM
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ChocolateMilk.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Those liners are ment to mold over time.(swear I read that on they're website) Anywho my shop charges 100 so I just put mine on boot driers all night(like 12 hours) and let them mold to my feet naturally while I ski. Has worked great for me.
Feb 11 2012 8:40AM
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onenerdykid
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All liners mold to your feet after enough time. What heat molding (by a professional boot-fitter) ensures is that it is done in a controlled environment and done properly to ensure a correct fit.

If you buy a boot, you should get it heat molded. Otherwise, you just spent a lot of money on a boot that isn't living up to it's full potential.
Feb 11 2012 9:03AM
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ChocolateMilk.
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I understand this i wasn't sure if they used some type of different technology because it says "Full Tilt Quick-Fit™ liners use authentic Intuition® foam that is body heat activated to mold 100% to your feet during use, or can be instantly heat molded by a shop in minutes."
http://fulltiltboots.com/ski-boot-liners/pro-ski-boot-liner
Of course professional heat molding will be the better option but i just wanted to bring up that this was also an option. (The people who "professionally" mold boots by me are just untrained teens who think they know what they're doing. this may not be the case by him though.)
Feb 11 2012 9:13AM
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sskier
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put your liners in your dryer for a few minutes,pop them both back in the boots and diy.
Feb 11 2012 9:25AM
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steezypink21
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Cook them yourself. There's a good thread on tgr (that I can't find ATM) that I have used 3 times to bake my own. Get liners, and over, foil, cut off the toe of a thick sock (helps create a toe box), slip said half sock on under thin ski sock. Preheat oven to 300* f with racks out and foil over the heating elements, once 300 is reached turn oven down too 200, put liners on cold rack and slide into oven let cook for 7-10 minutes. Put toasty warm liners on put foot and liner into boot, pull up on cuff to get creases out, buckle and enjoy the pain that molding intuitions brings. Worth it though they fit like a dream once they cool down
Feb 11 2012 1:41PM
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sskier
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or save the hassle and put them in the dryer...
Feb 11 2012 4:35PM
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ARMADAR7
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Is there a different shop near you?
Feb 11 2012 4:37PM
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onenerdykid
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YOU DO NOT WANT TO "COOK" FT LINERS. Their layup is different from other Intuition liners and the foams will separate from each other. Just use a normal heat stack, not an oven.
Feb 11 2012 4:38PM
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sskier
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putting them in the dryer is fine though right?
Feb 11 2012 4:43PM
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steezypink21
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No don't do the dryer. If your afraid about cooking them its the hot rice technique that can be found on tgr
Feb 11 2012 4:55PM
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sskier
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I'm not afraid about the oven and I'm not even the OP I'm just wondering because I did mine in the dryer and they seem fine.
Feb 11 2012 5:00PM
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steezypink21
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Well I just might have to try that with some old ride snowboard intuitions I have laying around. Sounds like its a lot less hassle
Feb 11 2012 5:04PM
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sskier
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it worked and nothing seems wrong with the liners and they feel better than when the shop did them.
Feb 11 2012 6:55PM
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Heart
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AHHH!!! sorry to bring an old thread up but does this mean that attempting to heat mold my full tilt's in my convection oven would be a bad idea?
Nov 18 2012 8:07PM
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DeRizzo
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I had a little bit of arch pain and my boots felt a little loose yesterday. When i tried them on they felt great. What do I do?
Nov 18 2012 8:14PM
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tomPietrowski
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Yes its a bad idea, take them to a shop and get it done right.
Nov 18 2012 10:21PM
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tomPietrowski
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Did you buy some footbeds at the same time as getting the boots? Your arch is probably not supported and is colasping under weight. As for why they feel loose, well it may be your foot is moving around because there is not enough support, or there just to big unfortunately.

Either way go to a good boot fitter and have him look at the size, and have him make you some custom footbeds if the boots are not too big.
Nov 18 2012 10:24PM
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DeRizzo
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they were a tiny bit loose, definitely the minor issue in fact i just remembered i was wearing thin socks. I didn't buy any footbeds for them either, I just figured they'd mold while I was skiing
Nov 18 2012 11:53PM
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snakerton
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hell no with that price. try another shop cause they should do it for free. if you have to pay its not worth it. when you ski in them they will mold to you foot anyway
Nov 19 2012 1:10AM
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tomPietrowski
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The liners will mold around your foot, but you will still need a footbed. Liners dont mold to the base of your foot, and that includes intuitions, they will not mold to correctly support the bottom of your foot.

Its not really a good sign that a new boot felt loose, even if you were wearing thin socks. With a well fitting boot you should only be wearing thin socks. Just think how thick a sock you will have to wear when they pack out.
Nov 19 2012 1:32AM
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LC.
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Unless you've got fit problems just let them mold on their own, they'll last longer.
Nov 19 2012 6:42AM
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JWeinstock
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same here
Nov 19 2012 6:45AM
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MittensFoDayze
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What do you mean by "last longer"
Nov 19 2012 7:20AM
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onenerdykid
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While this is technically true, it really offers no benefit to ski them on their own. Liners will last about 150 days of skiing. If you want the most out of your liners, sure you can ski them without molding and grunt it out for 10 days until they fit but you ski the first 10 days in less-than-ideal comfort. If you get them properly molded in the shop, it slightly reduces the life of the liner by about 10 days but you will have 140 great ski days left. It's not really worth it to not get them molded.

If you let them mold on their own, you will not get as nice of a fit compared to someone properly molding them to your foot and also the shell. Having the proper duration, tempurature, toe cap, toe elevation, etc really makes a difference in how the liners fit and feel.

Like I said in an earlier post, you purchased these liners for the point of getting a better fit. If you don't heat mold the liners, then the boots are not living up to their potential and you are not getting the most out of your money.
Nov 19 2012 7:29AM
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Crispy.
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These numbers are gonna be a little big off, but generally a boot liner will last you about 140 days, when you heat mold you bring that down to about 125, but those lost ~15 days will not be as comfortable for the skier.
Nov 19 2012 7:30AM
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Johnson.Show
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I didn't mold mine at first for the first few days and my feet were pretty sore by the end of the day, had them molded pre-season and it's made a huge difference, no more pain at all.. $50 for a heat mold though is robbery. Got mine done free from a shop I didn't even buy them at..
Nov 19 2012 12:07PM
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Caucasian_Asian
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How many days have you skied in them since you bought them?

Sounds like they might be too big.
Nov 19 2012 12:18PM
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onenerdykid
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That they did it for free is pretty lucky, I mean why would ou expect a free tune or wax on your skis or any other service that requires someone's time, training, tools, and expertise?

While $50 might be expensive, be prepared to be charged $30-40 as this process isn't random and in fact when done improperly can cause worse problems.
Nov 19 2012 3:13PM
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DeRizzo
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shhitt. 1 day
Nov 19 2012 9:21PM
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Gameday
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$50 is definetly worth it
Nov 20 2012 9:39AM
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