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Uh, no. It is because that fetus is living off of the mother's nutrients through blood.(placenta->umbilical cord) If it is living off of the mother then how is it not a living organism? So scientific observation is not being put aside. I agree though, to each his own.
This is highly debated. But the argument is that if it cannot live on it's own, it isn't living.
Which is just kind of silly because some kids are 30 and still not living on their own.
ba dum psh!
Baby
In the third month, your baby is the size of a small apple and is fully formed. She has grown from 1 to 3 inches and weighs about 1 ½ ounces by month end. Her head now sits on her neck and you can even see the whorl of a hair pattern on the top of her head. Her head is still very large and makes up half the length of her body. Her eyes are moving closer together and her ears are continuing to form. She has taste buds and has developed the sucking reflex. She is beginning to practice her swallowing too. Teeth buds have also begun to form, as well as fingernails and toenails. Her major organs, as well as her sex organs have formed and are developing steadily. Your placenta has now developed and has taken over hormone production.
Source: http://smartmomma.com/pregnancy/fetal_dev_3.htm
Fetal Goop hey? Wake up.
You must not have read all of the posts.
It is actually required in the majority of the states...
here is some interesting info on it..the table is pretty informative.
I'm not going to argue with you because it's really just a matter of differing opinions. But, I do have to say that quite a few states do not require parental permission to have an abortion-- meaning a 12, 13, 14-- any age child-- can walk into a clinic and get an abortion. These aren't women, they're girls. An assumption that they are neither independent or intelligent enough to understand the magnitude of their decision is fair in my opinion.
And when I say counseling, I don't mean that they should be coerced into having the child. I mean they should be checked to see if they fully understand their decision, if it's one they made on their own as opposed to being persuaded/bullied by boyfriend, parents, etc., and that they don't show signs of suicidal behavior. This would be counseling for the benefit of the patient, so I don't see a reason to be against it per se, other than just thinking that mandatory interferences of any kind are bullshit.
I'm a woman, and I don't consider precautionary measures ensuring my life altering decisions are informed ones an insult to my intelligence, mandated or otherwise. A woman can be intelligent, yet emotionally unstable and that doesn't make her any less of a woman. Additionally, a woman/girl can be a victim of domestic abuse and/or be bullied into the decision and requiring a counseling session could give them an opportunity to be heard or have someone to confide in.
your posts are usually really good, but this isn't one of them.
I didn't say the parents should be involved-- in fact I mentioned that parents could bully/pressure a child into a decision as well, so your first point is just reiterated what I said. Counseling would not involve parents, if that's what you're getting at.
What other surgical procedures are children able to undergo without the consent of their parents? If you're referring to adults only, your statement would be correct. However, we're talking about a procedure that is available to minors without parental consent, and as far as I know, they don't "give informed consent for all kinds of procedures without state mandated counseling."
We would do it for abortion in particular, because, as I stated above, it is one of the few, if not the only surgical procedure available to minors without parental consent. AND because abortion is an unusual procedure in that it can be a total mind fuck for people.
I already addressed your point in saying that for some the counseling could be a really beneficial thing, for others it might not be necessary but really doesn't hurt. However, to answer your question of "what if a woman comes in and is perfectly aware of what she's doing but still has to go through needless counseling?" The answer is that she will have an hour of her time wasted on needless counseling-- what's the harm? If 10,000 women who don't need counseling have to sit through an hour of counseling just to save 1 woman or child from domestic violence, parental coercion, or suicide, then I'm for it.
^reiterating*...please ignore typos.
On another note, you pro-choicers can't compromise to save your lives-- pun intended.
Um, no. He was being a fucking immature prick and threw out about a dozen half-assed AND COMPLETELY WRONG assumptions about her/young parents when she had been doing a pretty damn good job of articulating herself on a tough topic.
And no, you don't need government assistance just because you're young. Young does not equal needy or unsuccessful either. I know plenty of families that are middle to low income and don't need anything from anyone. They work hard, earn an honest living, they make ends meet, they are happy as can be and wouldn't have it any other way. You don't have to have a perfect life to have kids. Your assumption that someone who would have a kid at that age would or should automatically be under a magnifying glass as to whether or not they are a fit parent or are of lesser character I find laughable. Many of our parents and grandparents did it without problems, would you go back and nitpick their upbringings? Probably not, you'd get laughed right out of the house. Just because MatRich can barely pay for his own cell phone and car with his shitty job at his age doesn't mean others of a similar age aren't fully capable of living as an adult in a grown up society. So yeah, further assumptions that it's just not doable, etc. are just an admission that you're immature or didn't/don't have your shit together at that age. No need to attach any assumptions to others because of your own shortcomings, k? That's what I'm getting at.
Yes, this! is what I was trying to get at.
