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it's not stupid. you could take the morning after pill.
late-term, partial birth abortions??
These are still legal in places.
My point was that very few abortions are rape babies. If you want a stat/source I will provide one-- so the argument that abortion should be legal for everyone because a small percentage may have been raped is like using the example of that guy in Texas who killed his daughters rapist as an argument for the legality of murder.
I'm not saying there aren't good arguments for pro-choice, I'm just saying this isn't one of them.
And yet again, to answer your question-- I'll spell it out--
IF abortion were illegal, there would still be highly effective methods for women who are raped to prevent pregnancy. This goes along with my point that rape is a bad argument for pro-choice.
Time to heal our women, be real to our women
And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies, that make the babies
And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one
So will the real men get up
I know you're fed up ladies, but keep your head up"
People should have the freedom of choice and raising a kid in poverty isn't the best for the parent(s) or the child. Having a kid should take a lot of talking and thinking between the two. Teens aren't ready to take care of a child so there should be choices open to them.
My stance is not black and white. I think some abortions should be illegal and some legal. Here are my thoughts:
1.) Late-term, partial birth abortions should be illegal in all cases—except in the case where carrying a baby to term could potentially kill the mother. However, after 21 weeks, a baby can survive outside of the womb, so it is probably a very rare circumstance in which the baby threatens the life of the mother AND isn’t developed enough to sustain life if labor were induced or a C-section performed.
2.) Second trimester abortions—not allowed, with the same exception as above.
3.) This leaves us with first trimester abortions—same exception as above with a few others... Surgical abortions can leave the woman emotionally and psychologically scarred --even if she thinks she is fine going into the procedure. In addition, there are many other complications: http://afterabortion.org/1999/abortion-risks-a-list-of-major-physical-complications-related-to-abortion/
RU-486 is a chemical abortion that can be administered in the first 7 weeks of pregnancy. I see no reason that 7 weeks shouldn’t be long enough to decide to terminate a pregnancy (this is the one area my arbitrary opinion comes into play). However, I think that in order to be eligible you should be required to get a psych evaluation and counseling so that your decision is an informed one.
My personal stance—for myself—is prolife. I would not have an abortion and I am against it. I am against it for others as well, but I realize that it would make no sense for my personal opinion on the issue to dictate what others can/cannot do. I also recognize that there are valid arguments for why it should be legal.
And Mike-O, you said “abortion is a good thing”—I’m assuming what you meant was that unplanned pregnancy is a bad thing, and that abortion is a way of correcting it. Abortion is certainly not a good thing—a good thing would be if all unplanned pregnancies could be avoided to begin with.
As a side note-- honestly I don’t understand why abortions are so common-- well I do, but I don't. Theoretically if you’re pro-choice, you’re most likely democratic/liberal—in which case—you should be using that birth control you all shove down everyone’s throat. If you’re pro-life, you’re most likely republican/conservative—in which case you likely wouldn’t have an abortion if you did get pregnant. So who are all of these people having abortions? Don’t try to tell me they’re all broken condoms and .02% pill travesties. The majority are likely a result of poor decision making by liberal children under the roofs of conservative parents—(I have no source but common sense here, but if you call me out I might be able to find one)but this is just the result of lack of education which I could go on-and-on about.
Why does everyone count out adoption?
Wow, who would have really thought you could have fit both feet into your mouth at the same time. Way to show 'em how being wrong AND being dick is done. Bravo.
First—in addressing the other person—I am none of the following: a kid, ignorant, from suburban Seattle.
Now, to address your post…
I am 29 years old, and I currently own my own home in Bellevue, WA. I have also lived in Issaquah, WA, Sandpoint, ID, and Bozeman, MT.
You say that you are incapable of supporting a child, and I don’t doubt that for a minute. However, there are many 20 year olds who are capable.
You said that I came off as having “never stepped foot out of a higher class region,” but to be honest, that’s how you came across when you said that 18 and 20 year olds can’t raise children because they’re in school. You do know that many young adults never go to college, and do manage to raise families in their late teens/early 20’s?
To address the rest of your post—which is honestly just a very unorganized hot mess—you make a lot of unnecessary and irrelevant assumptions.
-your first line states “most jobs an 18 year old will get.” But in your original post you said 18 or 20, and you’re 20, so this would seem like the more relevant age for your calculations. But seeing as a 20 year old could likely have an associate’s degree and more work experience, which would hurt your argument, I can see why you would use 18 for your examples.
-Who said anything about buying a house? A lot of people are never able to purchase their own home, or don’t do so until they’re far beyond 18, so I’m not sure why this was brought up. But, since we’re on the subject, you can purchase a home for much less than 200k in more cities/town throughout the U.S. than I have time in a week to count.
-You state that most jobs an “18 year old will get will top out at 12$/hr”—what about a construction laborer? Or a waiter at a restaurant with tips? What about two full-time jobs? Had you included 20 year olds in your calculations, as you had in your original post, factoring in work experience and possible post-grad education to supplement, you’d have a whole world of occupational opportunities.
-Why would you have a used car payment? Did you not have a car or any savings going into the pregnancy? There are many reasonably priced, reliable used vehicles on the market. I bought my car at 17 with money I had saved bussing tables and I’ve never had a car payment since. I’m not saying it would be unreasonable for a young couple to have a car payment—just that it isn’t necessary for everyone. She has nine months of pregnancy. If you both work, you should be able to save enough to purchase a car. In addition, you should be able to afford furniture and clothing for your child as well. It may not be brand new furniture—it may be off craigslist or from goodwill, but it works.
-To address your food concern, a family with that low of income would qualify for government assistance.
-and for your last bit, if you really knew anything about mortgages, you’d know that your quote of $1500 for a 200k home would include PITI.
I didn’t say life was a fairy tale—quite the opposite. I said you can make it work if you want to. Not everyone has the privilege of a higher education. Not everyone owns their own home. There are millions of families out there, busting balls and making ends meet. Is it ideal? No, but it can be done, and you can become successful.
My Grandparents started with nothing and they’re successful (see article below about my Grandpa), my parents started with nothing and they’re successful. They taught me the same work ethic and I bought my own home, by myself, without assistance from anyone at 25. My brother had a child when he was 20 and his girlfriend was 18. It wasn’t planned but they kept it, worked hard, finished school, got married, bought a house and continue to be successful.
link to full article: http://www.capjournal.com/more-than-three-dozen-philanthropists-honored/article_02835fd8-05b9-11e1-9663-001cc4c03286.html
