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Abortion, pro or con?

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Lansfield
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wha are your thoughts?
Nov 27 2011 12:07AM
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skiminnesota
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herp

so i dont have the choice of what i do with my own body? (i want to go clubbing idiots over the head)
Nov 27 2011 6:55PM
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Aidan-G
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Wait what? What are you even saying here?
Nov 27 2011 6:58PM
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caliskigirl
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1) Not irrelevant. Let's compare the amount of time, energy, resources, etc that go into the development from oocyte to baby...Man=sperm and then done, female=the egg obvi, then 9 months of complete alteration of hormone levels, devoting her energy and nutrition and oxygen and such to the fetus, huge physical changes, etc. The commitment is phenomenally greater for a woman then a man to make a baby. Men don't get pregnant, therefore I don't think that men should control in a political manner what women do when their pregnant. However....I mean this on a government/general level, and I do acknowledge that a husband/boyfriend can have a say in the matter on a personal level.
2) It is definitely a religious issue in part, as many people who are pro life are because of their religious beliefs. Not everyone, but definitely many of them. Bringing religious beliefs into a political issue is exactly what we shouldn't do if we truly believe in the separation of church and state (though there seems to be a lot of inappropriate blending of the two in other issues these days anyway, abortion is just one of many such cases).
3)I think that I'll be a great and loving mother actually, but thanks anyway. But I'll be a mother when I'm good and ready and can responsibly raise a child through and past it's parasitic stage. Sorry you don't like my blunt, perhaps even crude, but true statement.
4)So do you think it should be illegal or not? Your opinion seems vague based on your statement.
5)Glad we agree :)
6)No I am not. Sorry I didn't include that...getting pregnant can be equally irresponsible.
Finally..yes, there are gray areas to the issue. But I, like everyone else who has commented, have given my opinion. However I'm happy to read other people's opinions, and I like seeing other people's insights one way or another.
Nov 28 2011 2:49AM
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Skiingsnow
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im very much pro abortion. cannot be fucked to give reasons but i think the idea of making it illegal is fucked. chick gets raped. then what?
Nov 28 2011 3:12AM
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B.Lyfe
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nothing a coat hanger cant fix...

I am anti abortion btw. I d love to have a kid


Nov 28 2011 8:48AM
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coldcuts69
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you sir are the man to ask about such a topic. words of wisdom?
Nov 28 2011 8:57AM
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theabortionator
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I don't think you're getting it. There really are a lot of gray areas.

I can honestly understand where both sides are coming from.
Nov 28 2011 9:04AM
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caliskigirl
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I respect that-if it wasn't obvious I'm pro choice, and those with intelligent reasons behind their beliefs, regardless of what side they're on (and yes, I think there are people who just argue or jump on a bandwagon on both sides of the issue) I can at least understand even if I don't believe in the same thing. As Mr. Teeny said, you are the abortionator ;) bestow your wisdom upon us.
Nov 28 2011 11:12AM
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Mr.Gaga
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prooooooooooo. If the feotus is less then 3 month.
Nov 28 2011 11:26AM
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Trojan~Man
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pro choice all the way.

but to caligirl, when you said that a man (other than husband/BF) shouldn't have a say in a political matter because they dont get pregnant and dont have to go through the physical efforts of being pregnant, logically your also saying that any other woman that hasn't been pregnant also doesn't get a say in the matter... just thought id point that out...
Nov 28 2011 11:29AM
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caliskigirl
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Touche good sir, touche.
I guess what peeves me is the idea of even the possibility of making abortion illegal completely- I just feel like in the end it should be purely a personal choice for a woman or a couple, and not a political one. For the most part, it's going to be a pregnant woman making that choice to keep it or abort it, and, like I commented before, if a woman wants to have an abortion then she should have that right too, especially over forcing her to bring an unwanted child into the world that she might not be able to properly care for (this could be emotionally, or financially, etc. I feel that that is an injustice to the child and the mother), or driving someone to risk a "backyard" abortion.
Nov 28 2011 11:43AM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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You sir are nutbag. So because that baby is the result of some idiots retardedness it deserves to be killed? Now i understand that this is gonna be like hell for the girl, but since when do ruining 2 lives make one better?
Nov 28 2011 12:10PM
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jibjunkie
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why is this everyones go-to argument? if your mom told you tomorrow that your real dad was some guy who raped your mom would you go and kill yourself?
Nov 28 2011 12:13PM
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daskis
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Depends on the situation... not gunna lie, I wouldn't wanna have a baby bump in college... I mean I understand to an extent where pro life people are coming from, but a 13 year old girl who got raped has to have a kid? That's messed up... Ya, I'm pro choice. It's not other people's decision to make. It should be up to the individual and her situation.
Nov 28 2011 12:22PM
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Kekambas.
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If your wife got raped would you want to raise a kid knowing that some guy raped your wife and that's his kid you're taking care of?  Would you even want her to have the kid at all? 
Nov 28 2011 12:42PM
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galang.
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I respect your opinion, but I'm Pro-Life and I'm not an idiot.
Nov 28 2011 12:45PM
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Milksteak
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How are you not an idiot?
Nov 28 2011 12:56PM
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galang.
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Just because I have a different opinion than some people makes me an idiot? Unreal the way some people think. Not trying to start a flame war or something stupid, just stating my opinion.
Nov 28 2011 12:59PM
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Abu_Hajaar
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You should be allowed to get an abortion as long as its not like 2 days before the baby is born
Nov 28 2011 1:03PM
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jibjunkie
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yes. that kid deserves the same chance at life that everyone has
Nov 28 2011 1:19PM
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Kekambas.
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I'm sure it's easier said than done
Nov 28 2011 1:22PM
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Anathema
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how are the two even comparable? you're meeting a valid perspective with idiocy. no you can't club people because you feel like it, that would be assault and battery. if you want to take a club and film yourself swinging it around like star wars kid, go right ahead. a woman isn't hurting anybody by having a choice as to whether or not she wants to abort a pregnancy.
Nov 28 2011 2:18PM
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Zimmerman
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derp
Nov 28 2011 3:33PM
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GayWolf420
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Also, I do think that if you fuck up and get pregnant on your own consent, You should have to deal with the consequences and not run from them by getting one. I kind of see it as a cowardice thing.
Nov 28 2011 4:42PM
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derpina
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How can you tell me this is not a human being?

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It has arms, legs, a head, a developing brain, and all the same organs as us. It's not a human because it's depending on something else to keep it alive? That's like saying someone on life support is no longer a human.

What makes me sick is how a mother with a conscience can kill her own baby. It's just really fucked up to me. I never want to have any kids, but if I ever got pregnant, I would damn well stay pregnant for 9 months. I would never be able to live with myself knowing I killed my own child who could have had a happy 80+ years of life.

I think a lot of you on here are young males and you can't really grasp that concept... That a mother would be ending the life of her own helpless DNA. There is a staggering number of woman who become depressed and/or suicidal after having an abortion.

I'm not saying I think it should be completely illegal, I just think it's incredibly fucked up. I personally believe that when an egg is fertilized by sperm it becomes a form of life, and no life should be ended in vain.

What's also sad to me is how all of you are able to be against abortion because your mom didn't have one. Another concept I don't think you're able to grasp. All of your lives could have so easily been ended. Don't you feel your worthy to live and be on this earth? I think those unborn babies would feel the same way.

Maybe some of you will change your mind someday when you actually have kids and know what it's like to love them... or when you're trying to have kids but can't. Life is so fragile.
Nov 28 2011 4:45PM
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FUUUCK
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People die all the time.
Nov 28 2011 4:48PM
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Skiingsnow
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thats such a shit arguement
Nov 28 2011 4:56PM
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ObiWanKablowme
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word. up until this point the fetus is no different in composition than a tumor. after the first trimester the person should have to give reason for the abortion and in the third trimester its a baby. just how i see it.
Nov 28 2011 5:05PM
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.AR6rider.
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That is not a human being.
Nov 28 2011 5:09PM
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gus555
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The answer to this thread lies somewhere in this post. Find it.
Nov 28 2011 5:11PM
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snowdon
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I completely agree with this. It's very easy to judge other people and very difficult to know what we would each do until we are actually put in that position.
Nov 28 2011 5:31PM
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hoodratz47
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humor any one

Nov 28 2011 5:54PM
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.AR6rider.
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Hahahah fucking gold.
Nov 28 2011 6:01PM
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uosdwiSrjewoH
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pretty loosely related, but the girl who i just started seeing has a younger sister (she's 21) with a baby, and i'm irrationally terrified of having sex because i feel like her family is hyperfertile
Nov 28 2011 6:02PM
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Ski_Alot
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pro-choice, babies are annoying as fuck
Nov 28 2011 6:16PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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Well first of all this thread is on ns so atleast a third on the replys are stupid ignorant and most likely from 12 year olds. Such as this guy. Still though pro-life is the way to be. If a women wants to have sex then they have to be ready for the possible consquences. Same with the man on the other hand if he wants to play, then he better be ready to deal with providing for the baby until its grown up. If shes raped? Slightly different story but still killing the child will in no way make it better for the women and the baby doesnt even get a chance at life because of the dumb raper. The ONLY time abortion should ever be considered is if the women is going to die because of the baby. And in that case i still believe its wrong because being a Christian i believe that God has a hand in things and what will be will be. Aboertion=Bad

Nov 28 2011 6:50PM
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applejuice.
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I agree :)
Nov 28 2011 7:21PM
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*yostertoaster*
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There's many perspectives you'd have to look at; age, situation, finances, scenario ect.

 ex. If someones 20 and well off and just got too wasted one night, i think its not right to abord a child.

But say a situation where a woman was raped and is now pregnant with her rapists child? she'd be mentally unstable for the child and i feel like that is an exception where abortion should not be looked down upon. (my personal opinion)

Nov 28 2011 7:32PM
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Anathema
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but thats the beauty of having a choice.

pro choice = whatever the situation, circumstances, etc, you can make a decision.
pro life = no decision, you keep that fucking baby cause it's a living thing. deal with it.
Nov 28 2011 7:47PM
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wasatch_rat
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well pro lifers don't have a problem with adoption. just sayin
Nov 28 2011 7:51PM
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dbstar
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Pro lifer's are uneducated, ignorant scum that should be feeding from the trash with the rest of their wretched congregation of "do-good'ers".
Nov 28 2011 7:59PM
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wasatch_rat
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and there goes any hope for real discussion in this thread. someone post porn or something so it gets deleted
Nov 28 2011 8:02PM
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ObiWanKablowme
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but thank goodness your parents were "uneducated, ignorant scum that should be feeding from the trash with the rest of their wretched congregation of "do-good'ers"" so that we have you here to clear this matter up
Nov 28 2011 8:11PM
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geteducated
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these decisions is why i wear a condom made out of depleted uranium when fucking a christian girl.
Nov 28 2011 8:15PM
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.AR6rider.
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Lol having a baby does not make you pro-life. They could be pro-choice and CHOOSE to have a baby. Dumbass.
Nov 28 2011 8:15PM
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applejuice.
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This is what I don't appreciate. I chose to be pro-life because of my research on the subject matter. I chose to be pro-life because of personal experience with family and friends. I chose to be pro-life because I'm not ignorant, I just feel differently about the issue than some people.

I'm not a "do-good'er," I make plenty of mistakes like any normal human being but I just have a different perspective on life, conception, and abortion. It doesn't make me a bad person nor does it make me "right." Honestly, there is no right or wrong choice, it's just what you feel in your heart.

I know people who have had abortions and I also know people who have children, I respect both.
Nov 28 2011 8:20PM
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ObiWanKablowme
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very true
Nov 28 2011 8:23PM
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Anathema
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qft
Nov 28 2011 8:25PM
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dbstar
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Thanks, I totally agree, the fact that their is even a discussion over this is a disgrace to modern society. Obviously the implications of "pro-life" policies are considerably more far reaching than simply being a massive intrusion of one's personal rights (which is ironic, seeing as how it is fringe conservative nut-cases who constantly refer to their individual rights who advocate it), but go along with contraceptives as being one of the most important tools 3rd world societies have to alleviate poverty...

unfortunately, religious people for the most part are a fan of pain, suffering, and poverty... I mean, who else do they have to preach to?
Nov 28 2011 8:26PM
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corona
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fuck bitches, get abortions
Nov 28 2011 8:27PM
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