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Occupy Pepper Spray Cop

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seward
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So...

Occupy "protesters" are being evicted from their grounds in almost every city that is being "occupied".

In this picture, students sat down to form a barrier so cops could not pass and repeatedly stated the fact that they would not be leaving. When repeatedly asked to move, the "protesters" continued to block the path.
Personally, when a police officer asks me to do something, i do it, even if i dont agree with them, or if he is being a big meany, or im just mad at the world, i still do it.

As a result of not moving for the police to get by AND not evicting the grounds when asked to do so, the next obvious solution was to pepper spray the "protesters". Nothing says get the fuck out of the way like having your sight and repertory system temporarily disabled.

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of course now this officer is under alot of heat for being supposedly overly aggressive.

im not sure where i stand on this. as i mentioned, if a officer tells me to do something i do it, cause i dont want to be pepper sprayed, and those guys HAVE pepper spray. but on the other hand, ive never had a reason NOT to listen to the cops. ive never been part of these "protests", ive never done anything thats illegal, except for the obvious socially acceptable offenses. hell, i dont even know if im considered the 1%, or the 99%.

it begs the question, how far is a officer allowed to go to complete his tasks. In this case, their task was to remove occupiers. When the protesters refused, the police used non-lethal means to aid in the eviction. On paper, everything sounds ok to me.

either way, this cop is now famous, and it turns out that throughout the course of history, he has sprayed much more then just bitchy baby students.

enjoy


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Nov 22 2011 10:08AM
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hey-dude-its-me
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ok but his name is still funny
Nov 22 2011 12:16PM
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Blurst
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Alright so that reinforces the point that it was ridiculous for the school to even call in the police in the first place. These students were not showing any signs of violence so why would they need to be taken out in the first place?

I understand shutting down some of these occupy protests but to me it just seems like the people that these protesters are protesting against are starting to get scared that the vision of the protesters is actually starting to be discussed more seriously. These occupy protests seem pretty damn successfull to me.
Nov 22 2011 12:18PM
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ohmythugaim
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>your house = public university campus
Nov 22 2011 12:19PM
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seward
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pssst, university campus' are not public....
Nov 22 2011 12:21PM
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nkmo.
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Before you go making long, drawn out responses, learn what the fuck you are arguing against.

The UC Davis protest were not part of OWS. They were protesting an 8% tuition hike. Seems like a perfectly valid reason to me.
Nov 22 2011 12:23PM
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Gnarwall
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The only reason this shit is still going on is because of the media/cop attention. If everyone just stopped pretending to give a fuck, occupy would go away. but nooooo, we need to make a big deal about it. Just let them sit there for a few weeks without big brother looking down on them, and they'll burn out, go home, and occupy a job.
Nov 22 2011 12:34PM
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Curb.
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Idiots should've moved
Nov 22 2011 12:53PM
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RubberSoul
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threads
Nov 22 2011 1:01PM
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ohmythugaim
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bad decision.
Nov 22 2011 1:30PM
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SKI.ING
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I go to this school and the protest was for an 81% fee increase to our tuition. Yes it coincided with wall street movement. Just shows how the system is crumbling. And yes a university campus is public space and its Davis on top of that. OP before you call people little whiny bitches, lets see what you can do. I bet you wouldn't even dare man up like these students did and take a chemical agent straight to the face. Sometimes doing the easy thing isn't the right thing. I'm not one to get into a fight on the internet but I would like to beat the shit out of you, a pussy, trash talking little wimp sitting at his computer if ever I saw one.
Nov 22 2011 1:46PM
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AGOF
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if you seriously believe we live in a police state you are fucking retarded. try going to cuba, or look at what happened in the soviet union or nazi germany. those are police states. The US is a government with police. these are completely different things. also the limits of american freedom have been shown to be pretty much what is outlined in the constitution. so please go away and shut up
Nov 22 2011 1:50PM
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Blurst
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Have you ever been to Cuba? No because your country will not allow just because they have different political beliefs than yours does. Cuban people have a decent quality of life (comparatively against other countries in the are) and they have a real public health care system which is something that the US has yet to figure out. It is just the propaganda from the US government that makes Cuba a police state to Americans.
Nov 22 2011 2:09PM
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fujarome
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I have, and I still think they're idiots.
Nov 22 2011 2:10PM
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Brenone
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Nov 22 2011 2:18PM
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Willgum
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Thats good
Nov 22 2011 2:20PM
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soulskier
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me too,and it sucks for a while but life goes on
Nov 22 2011 2:25PM
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Nov 22 2011 2:27PM
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seward
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Youre absoluetely right, i would not "man up" and take a chemical agent straight to the face.

not because i am "a pussy, trash talking little wimp sitting at his computer".

but because i am not fucking retarded.

if i were upset about my tuition costs being hiked, i would speak up.
not revolt against police officers who have absolutely nothing to do with my school, let alone my tuition fees.

sometimes doing the wrong thing, is doing the wrong fucking thing.

oh, and PM me for my address, we can dual like real men at dusk.
you fuckin dirt squirrel.
Nov 22 2011 2:30PM
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Mister.F
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this threads too much
Nov 22 2011 2:35PM
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seward
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jim crow laws > tuition hike.
vietnam > tuition hike.
womans sufferage > tuition hike.
safe working conditions > tuition hike.
safe food > tuition hike.
the birth of our country > tuition hike.

kids "protesting" tuition = bunch of complainers.
Nov 22 2011 2:38PM
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SKI.ING
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Tuition is just the face of the problem right now for some people. It runs much deeper than that and I'm sure when something that is relative to you hits, then your perspective might change.
Nov 22 2011 2:40PM
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Tasche
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I see that you don't pay your own tuition.
Nov 22 2011 2:40PM
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C-DAWGSTYLEZ
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Man, you are retarted.
Nov 22 2011 2:43PM
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AGOF
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ok, but minus cuba my point still stands. we do not live in a police state
Nov 22 2011 2:48PM
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seward
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actually...

i was a student at the university of toronto for 4 years.
after graduating i took a year off to apply to teachers colleges.
i then decided to attend george brown college for another 4 years to study architectural engineering.
i graduated last year and am now employed full time, with a excellent starting salary, and great benefits, in my field of study.

i never once received government assistance, any bursaries, or a single fucking cent from anyone in my family.

i worked.... hard.
imagine that.

but thanks for assuming because i dont agree with students "protesting" tuition hikes that i have never had to pay tuition.

further proves your ignorance.
Nov 22 2011 2:53PM
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Tasche
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Patriot Act

A "defense" budget larger than all other nations combined

Killing and imprisonment of American citizens without trial

Public beatings against non-violent, lawful protests.

Massive arrests

Federal agents infringing on state issues

Secret prisons

Documented police corruption in all major cities that goes virtually unpunished.

Tracking and recording of every US citizen

Internet censorship

the list goes on...

Everyday more and more of your rights are taken away, and you are telling me to go away and shut up. Go fuck yourself. No nation instantly becomes oppressive, it happens slowly because of apathetic douche bags like yourself.
Nov 22 2011 2:59PM
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Tasche
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So let me get this straight. You went to government subsidized "free" college, in a different country than the one up for debate, and you are claiming that as some type of moral authority on the issue?

You never even participated in the American education system. Your government paid for your college. You don't know shit about anything that is going on. Are you serious with that post?
Nov 22 2011 3:05PM
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Big.L
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i don't see what the big deal is, their sitting on the fucking ground refusing to move, that officer has a job to do. He told them to move and they refused, officers have discretion he could stand there and write out 15 tickets but do you think they are all going to wait and cooperate and give their names so they can get a ticket? no. besides a ticket isn't an effective punishment in this situation, what says get the fuck out of here better a 50 dollar fine you can pay within 30 days or the feeling of your eyes burning out of your head?
Nov 22 2011 3:10PM
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S_Jenk
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"How can I side with or stand against the Occupy Wall Street? What are they?"

I ran across this in the comment section of NYT article on the OWS movement.

In my opinion, I would give a shit about the OWS movement if they actually became organized, as well presented a clear and uniform message along with their demands. Until they do this, I won't give a shit about the OWS movement.

If they want to actually go anywhere with this, what people are doing currently will not work. It's plain and simple.



Nov 22 2011 3:12PM
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Tasche
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Did you read any of the thread before sharing your foolish opinion?

Officer did not have a job to do, he is there to protect and serve. Who is he protecting? Who is he serving? You have to break the law for him to get involved, no laws were broken, as covered under the FIRST amendment.

What is this crazy hate you people have for protestors? This country was founded on protestors, every important change in civil rights and equality came through protests, it is not optional to protest it is an obligation of living in a free country you cowards.
Nov 22 2011 3:16PM
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seward
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my schooling was free???

jesus, tell my wallet that.

nor did i ever say i was a moral authority, but thanks for putting words in my mouth again.
i guess thats what you do when you dont have facts eh, just pretend like other people said things they didnt?

come on, tell me i didnt pay my tuition again, then change the subject when i prove you wrong.
Nov 22 2011 3:21PM
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Huck_Norris
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Well this is tough, because that's not the case.  These kids live there, it was on campus and they paid tuition to be there.  Paying too much for the tuition was why they were there in the first place.  So for a more accurate example, you'd have to go out on your own lawn to protest then refuse to vacate your own property and get sprayed because you annoyed the neighbors.    

If I pay 20k+ to be somewhere and I can't sit there peacefully in demonstration without fear of being attacked by those who are supposed to protect our rights (and have taken our money as well), I'd be pretty pissed too.  I mean, does our generation really need another Kent state to remind us that the people can speak out against whatever they want?  Sure, it may be annoying but someone else might think this thread is annoying.  So what?  Should someone kick in your door and pepper spray you for not stopping posting?  I mean, when do you draw the line once you start squashing peaceful protests by people who have paid money to be where they are, what's next- rental properties subject to the views of the landlord?  It's a slippery slope. 

I don't like the occupy movement either, but when this type of stuff starts happening something's gotta give. 

Nov 22 2011 3:23PM
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PhaedeD
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because no one fucking cares. like get the fuck up and move when the cops tell you. I dont give a fuck what you are protesting when a jake tells you to move you move. if you dont well then you are setting your self up for gettin hit with the pepper.

he told them numerous fucking times, if you watch the video not just some picture you would know that. he told them to move he tried picking people up to move them. no one said anything no one stood up so instead of violently beating the fuck out of people with clubs he just pulled out the pepper and hit these fools. much safer and causes far less damage then pullin the clubs out.
Nov 22 2011 3:23PM
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B-Wald
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your seamless transitions from chastising them for being part of OWS to University campuses not being public space to accusing them of "revolting against police officers" shows that this is a much more personal argument about the nature of protesting than it is about any of the particular details of the situation. if you're going to call it a horse, call it a horse. defending an officer that is using unnecessary force (i read that pepper spray is intended to be used at a distance of 15 ft.) is an instance of being blinded by a one-sided view. if your argument is that they're lazy and should work harder, build an argument upon that. but going from an uninformed original post to grasping for anything you can use to demonize the protesters with shows that your arguments hold little more than a distaste for protesting.

i agree that there are better ways to go about getting things done. you won't find me making signs and locking arms about anything really. however, what do you do about changing a situation when you don't have the conventional means to do so? these students aren't university board members or financial planners. sure, it would be more productive to attend meetings and say your piece wherever possible, but these students aren't doing anything wrong. they are voicing their opinions on the campus that they pay to attend. colleges are a place where ideas and opinions are supposed to be incubated, not sprayed in the face with pepper spray.
Nov 22 2011 3:25PM
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Nov 22 2011 3:28PM
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Tasche
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College in Canada is far cheaper and more subsided that in the US. Moral authority means you used your own experiences to discredit others based on personal merit, which is what you did.

Didn't change the subject at all. You went to school in Canada where tuition was much cheaper and you didn't experience a massive increase in tuition, which is what they are protesting? Do you understand?

Just so I can contribute to the pissing contest, I paid for my own tuition and lived in my parents basement for 4 years. I would never say I had 0 help, because people helped me all the time. I paid my own tuition but I could have never survived without that help. My tuition increased by 25% every year, and I protested that and we were able to keep my school a public university and keep my tuition from going from $12,000 annually to $30,000. Because we were able to protest we gave the students a voice, and made it possible for me to go to school. I make more money than you do, and I am still stuck with $20,000 remaining in student loans. There is a problem with education in this country and trying to say there isn't, by using the experiences you had in a different country is so crazy it literally hurts my head.
Nov 22 2011 3:29PM
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PhaedeD
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you are dumb. glad you posted that video now I feel almost as dumb as you.
Nov 22 2011 3:32PM
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S_Jenk
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But it takes more than just people on the streets to actually make progress on this, especially when it lacks leadership and a clear and uniform message. That is what I see as their problem.

I understand their anger about the current state of things, in fact I side with many viewpoints amidst the jungle of the OWS movement. Money does have a corrupting influence in government politics, and that is something that needs to be dealt with, but until they get their act together, they will not have my support.

The OWS movement needs do something that will actually bring them legitimate attention, as opposed to being a fad that will fade with time. If/how they go about doing it is their deal, but I'd propose that they involve themselves in the elections this coming fall. That would be a start.
Nov 22 2011 3:33PM
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seward
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if that is the opinion you have come to i highly suggest you re-read every word in this post.

i never chastised anyone for being part of ows.
i dont know about us universities, but i have never been to a public canadian university. yes, students pay to attend classes, that does not mean you own a part of the land.
not listening to police officers when asked to move is revolting against police officers.
i have nothing against people that want to protest, all im saying is people should pick a little more reasonable things to protest about.
i never defended the officer. if you bothered to read this whole thread you would know that.
i can understand why he did what he did, i never once said it was right.
everyone seems to think this is a protester vs the rest of society thing.
just cause i dont agree with what they are protesting about does not mean i have "a distaste for protestors".

Nov 22 2011 3:34PM
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Big.L
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"In this picture, students sat down to form a barrier so cops could not pass and repeatedly stated the fact that they would not be leaving. When repeatedly asked to move, the "protesters" continued to block the path."

i read about that much. the police are outnumbered and when protesters are not letting officers pass by they may seem like they don't have control or may seem threatened by the situation, in which they used pepper spray to show them who's boss. like i said dude it's discretion they could have handled it differently (cops are known to have ego problems) but police can and will step in and take control if THEY feel it was necessary.
Nov 22 2011 3:40PM
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seward
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jesus h christ.
your condescending tone is so crazy it literally hurts my head.

this --> "I make more money than you do, and I am still stuck with $20,000 remaining in student loans", proves how ignorant you actually are. not once did i tell you what i make nor what i owe.

this --> "You went to school in Canada where tuition was much cheaper and you didn't experience a massive increase in tuition, which is what they are protesting?  Do you understand?" Is as ignorant if not more ignorant then your previous comment, not to mention hypocritical. You have never attended a Canadian university, so how in the hell would you know that we dont have tuition hikes?

all you have done is assumed things in this thread.
you have assumed my salary.
you have assumed my student debts.
you have assumed i didnt pay my own tuition.
you have assumed i never experiencde a tuition hike.
and worst of all, you assume because im an not american that i am missinformed.
Nov 22 2011 3:46PM
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Tasche
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Ya he looks like he is scared for his life while he is macing everyone...

What if the cops said you couldn't enter a public building and you maced them?
Nov 22 2011 3:47PM
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Tasche
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We are getting off topic, but I didn't assume anything. I used available data and came to a conclusion.

Feel free to prove me wrong on any assertion.
Nov 22 2011 3:48PM
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.AR6rider.
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Hahaha what "available data" did you use to determine you make more money than him? Dumbass.
Nov 22 2011 3:53PM
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