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Aug 30 2004 11:30AM

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Anyone that votes for a third party canidate is making a big mistake. If you dont remember, voting for nader in 2000 got us into this trouble in the first place and assisted in getting bush into office. Although you may not support either of the canidates, if you want bush out then you vote for Kerry and if you dont want kerry to win you vote for bush. thats how it works in our two party democracy. no third party candidate will win an election anytime soon.

and coolcat you are a fucking idiot, can i just add that?

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Aug 30 2004 12:41PM

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actually about 10 times as many dems voted for bush than voted for nader so we only have gore to blame for that. and the fact that bush didnt really win anyway

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Aug 30 2004 1:33PM

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^ Explain how he didnt win
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If you expect to be taken seriously, then you should start your whole rant off differently than 'Bush sucks!/Fuck bush/kerry sucks/fuck kerry'

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Aug 30 2004 1:59PM

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gore got the popular vote. which should mean he should have won.bush lied. there was no weapons of mass destrution. he lied. 947 are so american soliders have died. not counting any of our allies and dont forget about civillians. was it really worth that much pain and suffering. no. we should just send all you fucking bush lovers over there and see if you still think that war is still justified

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Aug 30 2004 2:05PM

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^ How we're we suppose to know if there were or werent weapons of mass destruction? They would not let us look through their weapons so it was safer to assume that they did.

900 soldiers have died but thousands of terrorists have been captured or killed. And for ViperSki i love how you dont agree with what i said so you just said that i sucked. Way to prove your point. Congrats. Jackass.

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No, getting the popular vote doesn't mean he 'should've won'... well, I guess that depends on your perspective. Under the current system, the popular vote by no means dictates the winner. Which is odd, because in a true democracy... meh. Anyways, the 'Bush didn't win' argument is centered around a bunch of discounted votes (mostly African American) in Florida, which is kinda sketchy, and very difficult to conclusively prove.

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Aug 30 2004 2:11PM

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Of course, it's impossible for a president to do absolutely NOTHING good, he has done a few things that are good, although right now I can't think of any. However, the way he handled foreign policies is horrible. A few examples:

-Managed to raise the feeling of anti-americanism to an unprecedented level.
-Raised the importation taxes on Canadian wood and european steel so much it ruined many of those companies.
-Declared an embargo on Canadian beef and maintains it even after it was proven that it was one isolated case. This has ruined the canadian beef industry.
-Has made no efforts to reconcile with other countries.
-Horribly handled the situation in Iraq. Horribly.

Etc. Etc. As of now, I can think of nothing good, other than that the economy has gone up. But everyone knows that tax cuts for the rich stimulates the economy for a short while, but if he does not take further measures, it will come down soon.
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Aug 30 2004 2:23PM

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coolcat i didnt say you were an idiot cuz i disagreed with you, i said your an idiot because you are an idiot. i dont need to back that up with anything, its a known fact. ask anyone, now if wanted to back it up, its because you are so blind to anything going on around you. but i dont want to go into it, so ill just let it be

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Aug 30 2004 2:44PM

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W is a great president. He stands up and makes decisions based upon what is right not what people like. Kerry and Clinton alike, always held 'focus groups' to determine whats next. You may argue till your blue in the face that Iraq was about oil, SO WHAT! Thats peanuts compared to the good that was done for the Iraqi people. No longer and hurds of people taken out into a field but into a ditch and fired upon until all were dead (this was all done for no apparent reason other than the fact that they were alive).

No for you Farenhit 911 fans. That movie is full of half-truths. Let me make one example. In the film it touts how the bin ladens were allowed to fly out of the country after all planes were grounded. Guess what, THATS RIGHT! Oh my gosh! Holy Cow! How can it be? That is totally factually correct. However, do you know who granted approval for that????? That little fact was left out of the movie. Its was..... Richard Clarke, sound familiar? Well it should, he was the guy who juts wrote the anti-bush book who was appt'ed during the CLINTON admin. Thats just one example of how Moore slanted the truth to make his point, instead of discovering truth. Ask away students..The professor is in

Aug 30 2004 3:02PM

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like jd may said getting the popular vote doesnt make you the winner but it should. are the people that are fighting us in irag realy terrorist? arent they just defending there home land from invadors. if you dont think its a big deal that 950 young american people have died then maybe you should go over there and join them. this war if bullshit. we should have actully found out if the did have weapons of mass destruction before we went and sent 950 soliders to there death?

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Aug 30 2004 3:24PM

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''Ask away students..The professor is in''

I only need to ask one question. You say Bush is just doing 'what's right'. On what moral theory are you basing that judgement? What makes an action right? Because from what you've typed, it seems like you're saying the consequences do; as if whatever maximized the greatest total good for people is to be declared universally morally right. Is that what you're saying, professor?

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Aug 30 2004 3:27PM

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Ok let me simplify this for you. (PS. B/C I am the professor, I can see the trap you are already laying, dont worry I wont fall in). Ok you are given two options:
1.) Save thousands of people who are being innocently killed
2.) Play it cool, and keep your job.

Are you saying that a universal truth would not apply in this situation.

I know that universal trust is not a widely held belieft today (although it is by me), it can apply. Also, in digesting analysis, remeber that ever decision (postive, right, best, however you want to define it) has consequences for someone. Thats why we can not make decisions based upon what we think others might think of us. Simply b/c that clouds the trust (uhhh can you believe I said that word!!).

Aug 30 2004 3:35PM

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If you see a trap, it's only because you laid it for yourself. I asked a simple question. Are you saying that GW was right to do what he did because Iraqi lives were saved as a result? Don't try to say he had two options, it's off topic, and forms a completely different argument.

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Aug 30 2004 3:38PM

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I could make a huge post listing everything he's done bad, and own every Bush-supporter here. But then I'm sure no one would read it. Answer me: is it worth it?
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Aug 30 2004 3:41PM

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Absolutely!!

Aug 30 2004 3:42PM

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Aug 30 2004 3:42PM

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^Hey, hold on, I still haven't got an answer to my question here... what is this universal moral truth you're prattling on about? Do what prouces the most good? Because that's what it sounds like, and I'd like to know.

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Aug 30 2004 3:43PM

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the universal moral truth of good!

Aug 30 2004 3:51PM

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ok i'll bite, what are u trying to get at?

Aug 30 2004 3:51PM

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What is it? Jesus... what makes actions moral? Because they're universally good? Because that makes no sense whatsoever, and you'd just end up having to answer 'why are they good'? What universal moral truth are you saying makes actions right? It's a simple question. You haven't answered it yet, prof.

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Aug 30 2004 3:52PM

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I'm not getting at anything except that you've apparently come to the conclusion that GW acts rightly, when you have no basis for that claim. You can't even answer what makes actions right in the first place!

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Ok, I'm starting to write 'it', just a warning, it's of course not entirely me that wrote it, but parts are, and all the facts are true. Might take 20 minutes...
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Aug 30 2004 3:56PM

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This is where my road ends, b/c you are taking the conversatino from political to philophical. I did say I was a professor, but a professor or politics not philiosphy. Sorry. Hope that doesnt ruin ur day

By the way, just curious, who are u for?

Aug 30 2004 3:57PM

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I'm for Kerry, but you see,you can't make sweeping claims about who acts rightly and wrongly without this kind of knowledge. For the record, saying that he was right because iraqi people aren't dying as much anymore would cause you to lose the argument rather badly.

There's no way you can make a political argument without some sort of philosophical platform to work from. What do you believe in? If you can't answer that, and defend it, then your opinion isn't worth anything.

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Aug 30 2004 4:00PM

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well..learning never stops. Looks like I might have some more.

Also, why Kerry? Why are u voting for him

Aug 30 2004 4:01PM

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I'm not, sadly. I might force my mom to drive down south and put her dual citizenship to good use, but I am not blessed with such an opportunity. And in short, I'd support mr. JFK for two reasons: the classic 'he's not Bush' (which is more of a comment on the latter's administration than the president himself), and for the former's ability to recognize real problem areas for his country. Terrorism is a problem, but it's not the ONLY problem, and JFK is willing to address health care issues, job loss, and stem cell research, which will save and improve more lives than any war on vague pretenses will. That being said, he actually tosses pride and stubbornness out the window when it comes to foreign policy, and admits that international help is needed to effectively combat any agression. The US going it alone simply isn't going to cut it, and that sort of reckless, foolish behaviour does more to harm than help. There are many, many other reasons why JFK needs his chance, but I'm tired of typing.

If McCain did get on the bill with Bush, though... well, at least GW would have something going for him.

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Aug 30 2004 4:07PM

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I'll be posting the mega-post sometime later this evening or tommorow, it's going to knock your socks off. Should I post it here, or make a new thread???
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Aug 30 2004 5:35PM

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post it on here
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Aug 30 2004 6:14PM

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I totally support him with everything hes done in iraq but what elese has the mother fucker done?
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Aug 30 2004 6:14PM

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Aug 30 2004 6:18PM

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maybe this

Aug 30 2004 6:44PM

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shit, nevermind

Aug 30 2004 6:46PM

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i think he did pretty good with 9/11 considering it was his first year in office and i was the biigest nationial crisis since pearl harbor

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A new conservative southerner joins our political ranks, and this one shows intelligence and can lay out arguments (sorry ATL boys), huzzah! I would enter that argument up there but I have had the same one with JD two if not three times to date, I'm just gonna wait for CSG's list of claims and then proceed to rip it up.

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Aug 30 2004 7:00PM

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well josh i say wow bec whatever i say or what ever u say were not gonna win will think were both right and its a waste to try to convince these other 13 yrs that no nothing and are the biggest hypocrites (sp?) Like fuck logging... wtf? (umm where are u gonna get the paper to whipe your ass, umm ur house made outta wood.... ur desk? paper u write on? Then these ppl bitch bout man wood cost so much no huh? I wonder why is it bec u donate to sierra club? naw that cant be it?)

Its just mainly ppl that dont know shyt bout issues they talk about so they are always on the offense bec that their defense. I try not act like i know shyt but i do know logging and bout bush so thats all i can say.

Also Josh on global warming what are you be able to do if we are the cause?
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Aug 30 2004 7:58PM

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sry josh im not point it at you just hard day of werk and ummm just stupid ppl around here
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Aug 30 2004 8:21PM

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'yes, he did basically dominate iraq's terrorists......... but that's about the only thing i can really credit him with........ '

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Aug 30 2004 8:33PM

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immma fool wow... and u dont c anything that good come out of Iraq... wow hmm no sodam insane, they will have democratic government.. and will be much better off than they were. It just takes time. One reason is that more jobs will be made so... no free time and they wont be JIHADDDDDDDD... bec they are makin moneyt and better themselfs. People are coming from idnia, etc to werk in Iraq right now and makin 1000 a month insead of 60-500 a month @ their home country.
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Aug 30 2004 8:41PM

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both bush and kerry suck but id rather have kerry in office then bush again bush is a duschebag he fucked shit up in the world

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Aug 30 2004 8:47PM

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wow noce staement dick juice hmm explian how did bush fuck it up?
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Aug 30 2004 8:48PM

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WOW, I am honored u woudl take time to play with my avatar.

Bush will WIN! You know why I say that? B/C with all the attacks on BUSH from Kerry(and other 527's) Kerry should be up 15 or 20%. I mean democrat 527's (google them if u dont know what they are) have outspent Republican 100M to 9M. Its really amazing that Kerry isnt up 15%. I mean even the liberal ABC's 'The note' says the election was Kerries to lose but is now 'kerries to try and win.' Sorry guys, but Bush will win. I will bet a pair of armada on that one.

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