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Jeff_Lo
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Just curious around here will be tuning in between Canon and RED.  And who has there checkbooks ready?

It's a big day!  I can't wait.
Oct 24 2011 1:49PM
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1337
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I'm stoked to see what canon brings to the table. It's codec is supposed to be hella legit. And of course, the new RED system will be awesome
Oct 24 2011 2:01PM
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WillStart
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Not so much getting my checkbook ready as prepared to save every dollar I acquire over the next year.

but yeah, pretty excited for the announcements.
Oct 24 2011 2:16PM
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goodiepocket
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Oct 24 2011 2:18PM
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andstuff
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I couldn't possibly justify spending around $10k for a camera while I'm in college, so at the very most I'll tune in with passive curiosity.
Oct 24 2011 2:57PM
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eheath
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Way to make a thread to show off that you have a bunch of money and that you're going to buy 30k in camera equipment. Obviously NO ONE else that visits this forum regularly is going to be able to afford what you can afford jeff.
Oct 24 2011 3:16PM
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S.C
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ill tune in, but for me im saving my checkbook for a 5dmkii

thats spending an insane amount of money on a camera for me haha
Oct 24 2011 3:33PM
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Jeff_Lo
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Or I was just trying to create a discussion because of how excited I am?  Much like others have with posts about the 1DX, FS100's and other cameras. 

I'm sorry you interpreted it that way...


Oct 24 2011 3:33PM
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Jeff_Lo
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Awesome!  That should be a sweet camera as well. 
Oct 24 2011 3:34PM
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eheath
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Just came off like that because no one else on here is going to be able to buy any of those cameras released.
Oct 24 2011 3:48PM
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WillStart
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*except Charlie, i believe he's dropping in on a scarlet as well.

Oct 24 2011 3:53PM
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Jeff_Lo
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again, my apologies, not intended that way at all.

Just excitement.
Oct 24 2011 3:55PM
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eheath
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For sure, id be stoked if i had a bunch of budget to buy new shit, i love new shit haha
Oct 24 2011 3:56PM
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Jeff_Lo
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Everybody does!  I fully intend to share .r3d files for everyone to mess around with and allow people to play with it if they're around the mountain when I am, or in Colorado if I have free time. 
Oct 24 2011 4:01PM
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Jacuse
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gonna bump this

Unless either of them release something at a similar price point of the fs100/af100 (highly unlikely) then I have no interest in purchasing. Still pretty excited for later today

Nov 3 2011 9:38AM
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1337
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yeah, i think canon's release will be about 10k, and the scarlet fixed (Jeff, are they still dropping one? I haven't followed up on the RED stuff in a while) will be around 6-7,5k (these are just my guesses...)
Nov 3 2011 10:09AM
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from red's website
Nov 3 2011 10:44AM
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1337
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their PL mount lenses also say they will be compatible with scarlet. so two cameras it looks like.
Nov 3 2011 10:47AM
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skituner
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well the canon event doesn't 4pm PST and the red event is two hours after that, so we have some time to speculate
Nov 3 2011 10:53AM
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[evan]
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What exactly is the "event?"

I assume some type of convention or press release?
Nov 3 2011 11:01AM
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S.C
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I'm praying for a more weather sealed, less megapixel 5d mkii with better af and better burst and a better video modes. I know it wont happen, but fuck it, thats what I want
Nov 3 2011 11:06AM
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1337
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hahahahhahahahaha you want a 1d then buddy
Nov 3 2011 11:09AM
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1337
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Is this what’s coming today?
Received some information about the new video camera that is being announced today in Hollywood.

Name: Canon EOS 300C
EF and PL Versions
Dual CF Card Slots
Built in ND
Super35 Sensor
HDMI and HDSDI out
Hot shoe mounted monitor w/ 2 XLR ins
1920 x 1080 resolution
Also is able to record out of SDI

HYPE!
Nov 3 2011 11:12AM
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1337
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/the-canon-hollywood-event-liveblog/

liveblog of canon's event on engadget, posting so i can find it at 6pm tonight
Nov 3 2011 11:38AM
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Jeff_Lo
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Canon's could actually come in under 10K

Latest rumored Canon specs:

  • Name: Canon EOS 300C
  • EF and PL Versions
  • Dual CF Card Slots
  • Built in ND
  • Super35 Sensor
  • HDMI and HDSDI out
  • Hot shoe mounted monitor w/ 2 XLR ins
  • 1920 x 1080 resolution
  • Also is able to record out of SDI
Prior Rumors:

  • Price: sub $15,000 – possible down to $10,000
  • Image quality: Alexa good
  • SDI outs
  • XLRs (audio)
  • Piviting & detachable monitors and grips
  • PL mount and EF mount options
  • Resolution – 4k capture, 2k recording
I won't try to guess.  To far in between.

Jim has said in the past...

"we won't announce any more until it's ready to ship"
"we want to have enough in supply to prevent being in backorder"

I think this is why there has been a decent wait.  But it will still be in backorder.

  Jim has said this week:


Scarlet is now a professional camera. It will be more expensive. And there will be no discounts for RED ONE owners.

That is all the bad news there is...

Jim


We don't know what is more expensive.  My guess...more than 3K for 3K.  


No one will be disappointed if they ignore all previous conceived notions.

Jim


Good news is that you won't find an option like this.

Jim

Click for larger image Originally Posted by Zac C Click for larger image
Bad new like over $10k or somewhat bad news at slightly under 10k?


My guess is it's not over 10K for a body.  He also said something to the effect of 3 beats 2, whether it was 2K will lose to 3K or if he meant 3 cameras beats 2, I don't know...

They have also made everything on the site incompatible with anything else.  Check marks have been removed for Epic, Scarlet and R1.

My personal guess, Cameras are the same, Fixed is maybe around 7K, Interchangeable 6K...and that there will be Canon and PL mounts available that are maybe not titanium for the interchangeable.  Mini primes still exist in my mind too.

Remember everyone, if you plan on buying one, plan accordingly you might beable to get one for 6-7K but the battery on these guys' lasts an hour.   If you use the side handle battery.  And that is while shooting.  Also the amount of HD's and media you'll need will increase greatly.  Although you can get 18 minutes shooting full 3K 12:1 RedCode  on a 16GB CF card.

I bought a 128 and 256 GB SSD card instead.  A card reader is $250.  Compared to P2 media it's still cheaper though. 

For power I'm going with a few redvolt's and these guys:

http://www.globalmediapro.com/dp/A2BLX7/Globalmediapro-Li160S-R-Lithium-ion-Battery-160WH-for-Red-Camera/

Much cheaper than the RED Bricks. 

If your looking for the least inexpensive kit, IF THEY RELEASED THE FIXED LENS, thats the way to go.  I'd still book 9-10K to shoot it well though. 

Nov 3 2011 11:44AM
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Jeff_Lo
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Nothing about that sounds exciting to me...

the 4K record, 2K acquisition was an intriguing rumor though.
Nov 3 2011 11:45AM
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eheath
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Sooo an f3? tisk tisk canon. if its more than the f3 even more fail.


fuck red and canon, ima get a cineflex.
Nov 3 2011 12:00PM
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1337
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I'm thinking it will be two cameras: one with HD-SDI (like the 100 and 105, 300 and 305's) and one, cheaper model. I think the cheaper will have the EF mount, while the more expensive will have the choice between PL and EF.

Stoked to see the cine lenses they might be releasing.
Nov 3 2011 12:04PM
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eheath
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unless its an ef lens, with usm/is that is declicked (with aperture ring, good luck) thats under 1000 bucks, its gonna pointless.
Nov 3 2011 12:09PM
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1337
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where does the copy-pasta end and your take on this begin?
Nov 3 2011 12:15PM
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Jeff_Lo
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Sorry should've laid it out better.

Basically I think RED will release 2-3 cameras. 

My take is the Fixed Lens will be around 7-8K for a decent shooting kit.  Maybe 64GB SSD and 2-4 batteries.  I still think there will be a fixed lens Scarlet. Still 2/3 3K.

I think there will be a 2/3 3K interchangeable as well.  Maybe 1500-2000 less in price.  I think this camera will release with a set of mini-primes 6,8,16, 25, 50 and 70mm.  I also think they'll make a less expensive version of the mount's to be able to use a EF or PL lens mount.

There may be another one a S35 as well closer to the 12K for a body range...maybe more with 4K...

I'm not sure.  I think there will be 3 cameras announced 2 for order and shipping. 

They said at one point they wouldn't announce the Scarlet until it was ready to ship.  I'm hoping this is the case. 

I personally would like to pick up a fixed and interchangeable.  At this point I'll likely just get an interchangeable if there is a Canon or PL mount available now or shortly after release.
Nov 3 2011 12:34PM
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Jeff_Lo
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To me Canon's sounds like an F3...in that case, who cares, except it's at a lower price range.  What would be interesting to see is what it's DR is.  The F3 costs 5 grand to unlock S-Log...Put that on top of an already 20K price tag for an HD camera. 

Both awesome.  But price on those will be totally obsolete in my mind in about 7 hours.
Nov 3 2011 12:36PM
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1337
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regardless, I don't think I'll be picking any of these up unless something INCREDIBLE pops up at a ~5k price range, which won't happen
Nov 3 2011 12:48PM
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Jeff_Lo
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I doubt for a full kit.  You might be able to get a body... the Scarlet Interchangeable's price was 2750 prior to HDRX.  So then 3750...and maybe another 1,000-1500 on top of that.
Nov 3 2011 12:57PM
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eheath
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There is no way the scarlet body will be under 10k.
Nov 3 2011 12:59PM
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Jeff_Lo
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I'm not so sure either way.  Could be more could be less.

A member over there asked if the camera would be over 10K or just slightly under 10K and Jim replied,

Good news is that you won't find an option like this.

Jim


Nov 3 2011 1:03PM
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1337
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i'm calling bullshit that it's interchangeable lens body will be around 5k. Maybe 6k+
Nov 3 2011 1:03PM
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Jeff_Lo
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haha calm down.  It's a guess based on the last specs/price known.  If you do the math...3750 plus 1500 is over 5K though...

It will probably be more, but the last price we heard on the interchangeable body was around 3750-4750.


Nov 3 2011 1:08PM
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Jacuse
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Pretty much my situation right now, even 5k is pushing my limit knowing the amount of extras I would have to buy. Been saving up for a long time, but don't necesarilly need anything that good at the moment

Nov 3 2011 1:11PM
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S.C
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im actually thinking of the 1d iv if the price drops to like 2,500
Nov 3 2011 1:38PM
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eheath
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.... why?



and if anyone wants big lolz about today, go to dvxuser or reduser. nerds freaking out, classic.
Nov 3 2011 1:42PM
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Jeff_Lo
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haha, DVX is funnier.  RU is just a big argument on the final pricing, and what accessories will carry over.
Nov 3 2011 1:58PM
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andstuff
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Cinema5d is the funniest. A bunch of soccerdad filmers pissing their pants because they think 4k will somehow benefit them.
Nov 3 2011 2:41PM
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Jeff_Lo
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That is a funny community.

My personal favorite is ScarletUser.  They actually have there heads screwed on straight.
Nov 3 2011 2:50PM
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TWoods
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"sounds like it's too high end of an event to announce the canon t4i

oh well i'll just keep waiting"
Nov 3 2011 2:53PM
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andstuff
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"RED is releasing only 2/3 or s35, and charging over $2,000 it? That's ridiculous. I can't pay that much money for a sensor that doesn't have the shallow DOF of my 5D. Nobody ever produced good footage with a 2/3 sensor."
Nov 3 2011 3:12PM
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TWoods
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..... I'm totally at a loss.
Nov 3 2011 3:59PM
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1337
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is this fucking legit?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

best quote from engadget:

adhib97 1 hour ago
I'm praying that this will be an annoucement of the 5D Mark III or a Mirrorless camera, not a crappy camcorder. Otherwise I've been waiting for an event I don't even give a shit about.
Nov 3 2011 4:07PM
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Jeff_Lo
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wow...it's like everything is about to change for some people haha.  I read something along the lines of...Shallow DOF is pro, if Scalet is 2/3 it's a waste, it won't be pro.  You can only be pro with S35.

Saw that on DVXuser this a.m.  trying to track it down while rendering.
Nov 3 2011 4:18PM
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andstuff
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I wonder if FF35 would be less of a buzz word if more people were aware that Planet Earth was shot on 2/3" sensor cameras...
Nov 3 2011 4:34PM
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1337
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"Something about this number "3". November 3rd @ 3pm. Must be a 3K sensor with 3K encoding? And perhaps three models?

PL with SDI and HDMI?
PL with HDMI only?
EF with HDMI only?

AND.... three new kit lenses available?"

this guy is smart....
Nov 3 2011 4:47PM
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