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Nikon 80-200 f/4

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Vintage glass, I need a cheap telephoto that's still very quality. I'm dead set on the 80-200 f/4

Watching them go on ebay for around $70

My only concern is wether or not it's sharp?

Talk me into/out of it.

Sep 11 2011 7:52PM
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theres not a whole lot of info on it online that I can find. I'd just say get a Canon 70-200 when you get the cash. IMO, worth every penny
Sep 11 2011 7:57PM
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Balto
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i heard the 70-200 makes you shit rainbows
Sep 11 2011 8:00PM
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http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/80200f4ais.htm

i dunno how much more info you'd need...
Sep 11 2011 8:12PM
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[J_Gasper]
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depends on what your shooting. me living in michigan, shoot mainly park, have had no need to spend +600 dollars on a telephoto lens. I am thinking about getting this with an adapter or a canon 85mm f/1.8 Im leading to this, just because I can zoom. Just tell us what your shooing, If your going to be using it alot, yeah, save up at get the canon. But for my needs, this is perfect.
Sep 11 2011 8:23PM
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eheath
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Im guessing you're looking at the push-pull version. Same optics as the other 80-200s, which are very nice. The nice thing with nikon is even glass made 30-40 years ago has just as good of glass as the lenses they make today. I mean, if you have a canon body and have any inclination to shoot photos, you'll want the canon 70-200. But, if you're just doing video the nikon 80-200 could be a good choice for sure. I plan on picking up either and 80-200 + 2x or 100-300 5.6 before ski season starts.
Sep 11 2011 9:45PM
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1337
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go with the 85 1.8, fantastic lens
Sep 11 2011 9:48PM
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[J_Gasper]
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really? i thought it would be the other way around, for that week out of the year i shoot back country jumps, i would like to have something i can zoom, vs me manuvering around the fixed focal length.
Sep 11 2011 9:53PM
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Balto
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you can't compare a 70-200 to an 85 prime, that's just stupid.
Sep 11 2011 10:08PM
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eheath
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well for those instanced, zoom hands down. the 85mm is more for portrait/interviews/specific long shots. Trust me, after using my 35mm adapter for a season, having just a 135mm prime (same FOV as 85mm on dslr) it was a huge pain trying to shoot long shots with it.
Sep 11 2011 10:43PM
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blatt
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I love the beef you two got going on, makes me lol.


And from what I've read, it's not a bad lens if you don't want AF
Sep 12 2011 12:41AM
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chacharlie
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actually the 80-200 f4 is a part of nikon's consumer tele zoom series and doesn't have the same quality of optics as the 80-200 2.8 series.
Sep 12 2011 1:01AM
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Balto
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orly? a 135 is a true 135 for me
Sep 12 2011 1:05AM
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family_vacation
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you're a poor contributor.
Sep 12 2011 1:18AM
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eheath
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Source?
Sep 12 2011 1:53AM
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eheath
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It was for me too, i was using a 35mm adapter, i was relating it to his situation where he was thinking about buying an 85mm. I don't get why you post stupid shit in M&A its fucking annoying.
Sep 12 2011 1:54AM
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chacharlie
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the 80-200 f4 was one of Nikon's consumer zooms.
although the f4 is well regarded in comparison to the earlier versions, it was created as a budget consumer lens. The f2.8 series were professional lenses with a much higher price point and quality.
They have different designs, the f4 has 13 elements and the 2.8 has 16.
Sep 12 2011 2:43AM
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Balto
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and I don't get why you post miss leading information, it's fucking annoying
Sep 12 2011 2:51AM
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eheath
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This still proves nothing. The old f4 and f2.8 push pulls were the first nikon tele zooms and were discontinued when the new internal focus lenses came out WHICH are hundreds of dollars more based on that alone. Besides that, are cheaper because the build quality is worse, the push-pull system sucks and because they were made in the fucking 60's. I could argue that the fact is has 13 elements vs 16 elements makes it a better lens too, less elements, less glass, better image.

Like someone said before, even the low end nikon G lenses with variable aperture still use the same nikon glass as the high end 70-200 2.8. There is no lower "consumer" level glass, the price of nikon lenses are based on how they are build not on the glass, unlike canon. I'm not saying the old 80-200s have a better build quality or ergonomics, im talking about the glass which when it comes to old manual lenses it was matters the most.





And thomas, you really gonna tell me I don't know what I'm talking about? Ive been throughly researching nikon glass for over a year now, I may not be an "expert" but I do know a lot about it and just because you own a 5d and think you're the shit doesn't mean you know everything either. Half of your posts related to you telling jamie that he doesn't know anything (which you are very wrong about) or how you have a full frame camera. NO ONE GIVES A FUCK THAT YOU HAVE A FULL FRAME CAMERA, ANY DUMBASS CAN BUY A CAMERA just because you think yours is cooler than everyone elses doesn't make you're smart or that you know shit about cameras.

Post something worth while if you're so fucking smart.
Sep 12 2011 3:16AM
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[J_Gasper]
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exactly what i was thinking.
Sep 12 2011 6:40AM
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TijmenDal
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And why the fuck do you misspell misleading. Apart from not using any interpunction, how come I have to correct you on your grammar as well...
Sep 12 2011 8:46AM
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KANGBANG2
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Correcting grammar is baller as fucknot
Sep 12 2011 6:29PM
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Balto
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Sep 12 2011 6:30PM
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chacharlie
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By that logic, every nikon lens made in a certain time period should have the same image quality because it "uses the same glass."

But beside that point, there are many different types of glass used. non-coated, coated, multi-coated, nano-crystal coating, and low dispersion elements, among others. If you by an 18-55 kit lens you're sure as fuck not getting any nano crystal elements, because the glass used in a lens depends on the price and sales demographic.
Sep 12 2011 10:16PM
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.cam.
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Those are just coatings and different levels of grinding. The glass itself is the same.
Sep 12 2011 10:21PM
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1337
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thats like saying that the designs of cars are different, but the metal is the same. no shit, it doesn't mean that a ferrari is built the same or performs the same as a honda.
Sep 12 2011 10:23PM
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chacharlie
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yes but he said that a cheap lower level lens is necessarily the same quality as a pro lens because they have the same optics, but i'm saying that Nikon doesnt use the same optics in all lenses. They use these coatings on certain elements, which effect image quality. I realize that they weren't using nano crystal coatings when they made the original 80-200's but my point is that the optics aren't the same quality.
Sep 12 2011 10:26PM
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.cam.
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Correct and I am not trying to say it is. All eheath and I are saying is they use the same glass on all levels rather than super pure glass on the highend and cheaper not so pure on the low end.

You seem to like cars so It would be like saying one company makes all their cars out of aluminum and another makes their high end ones out of aluminum and the lowend ones out of lead.
Sep 12 2011 10:28PM
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Ben.
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And another M&A thread turns into a pisssing contest...
Sep 12 2011 11:11PM
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eheath
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Well thats what i basically said, they use different features in different lenses than they do in others. The fact is, nikon optics at all the same, unlike canon which has "better (L)" glass. Of course alot goes into what makes a lens good but IMO older nikon lenses shine even the 80-200 f4
Sep 12 2011 11:22PM
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chacharlie
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yep i can agree with you on that one. I just realized i have 8 nikon lenses more than 30 years old. Dear god, i'm becoming one of those anal retentive lens collectors...
Sep 13 2011 12:06AM
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alexat955
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seriously, this is my favorite forum on this site but sometimes you guys are all douches
Sep 13 2011 12:33AM
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eheath
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yeah i have like 3 soon to be 4 nikon lenses older than 30 years too, i love them :)
Sep 13 2011 12:33AM
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TWoods
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I don't usually make posts without any value, but in this case I'm just stopping in to say I'm enjoying this.

Sep 13 2011 3:13AM
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TWoods
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Oh, and OP... It's plenty sharp. Remember that you're not going to be able to tell the difference between a super sharp lens and a less than super sharp lens for video use as it's not going to make a difference at the the resolution offered by 1080.

Even if you're using it for photo, it's a sharp lens so long as you can nail focus.

Sep 13 2011 3:15AM
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andstuff
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I think this needs to be highlighted.

Marginal differences in optics won't effect HD video because 1080p is under 2 megapixels. Same reason why Canon L glass is tack sharp on the 7D but softer on a 5D mkII's 21mp image. Hence, the difference in sharpness between a $70 vintage Nikon telephoto and a new one will be practically nonexistent. The real issue are things like CA or fringing.
Sep 13 2011 3:58AM
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[J_Gasper]
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could someone give me a link to an adapter? would it just be a nikon to an EOS adapter if i have a t3i?
Sep 13 2011 7:01PM
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alexat955
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yes

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fotodiox-Nikon-F-Lens-Canon-EOS-EF-Mount-Adapter-R-/390087416925?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ad3059c5d
Sep 13 2011 7:31PM
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this is a shitshow, eheath i loled at your response to balto
Sep 13 2011 8:48PM
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THIS IS GOING TO BE MAINLY FOR PHOTO

and i have a 50mm f/1.8 portrait lens
Sep 13 2011 8:50PM
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Ben.
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I would HIGHLY recommend saving up and investing in something with autofocus. Older manual focus lenses were designed to work with pentaprism viewfinders that made focusing a lot easier. You have to do with them is get a straight line to line up and you know its sharp. Modern dslrs dont have that kind of viewfinder, and as a result its much harder to get a sharp image, especially wide open. Take it from me, still shooting on a pentax k-mount 400 prime because i cant afford anything better right now, you will have VERY few keepers and a lot of out of focus shots. Its definitely worth your while to save your money and get something with autofocus to save yourself the pain of having so many shots not turn out.
Sep 13 2011 9:17PM
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TWoods
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Absolutely this!

I realize the 100 dollar lens is tantalizing, but I'm going to give you one piece of advice to carry with you:

Bodies change and are replaced. But always buy the lens you want, the first time. There's no point wasting time and money buying a lens you're not going to be interested in using later.
Sep 14 2011 3:31AM
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