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Weird_Tofer
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Right now i have a canon vixia hf200 and i have been saving up money for a long time and i was thinking about getting a new camera. The camera's picture quality is not as good as i had wanted.

Price range - 800$ max
Expectations - HD, 60fps

Recomendations are appreciated. Thanks everyone. If you could, just leave links in the comments.
Jul 24 2011 3:00AM
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Dwarftosser1
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Fill this out:https://newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/552650/ and we can help you more!
Jul 24 2011 3:04AM
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Weird_Tofer
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just did it. Thanks man
Jul 24 2011 3:18AM
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alexat955
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Meaning fill it out and leave the answers in the thread
Jul 24 2011 3:15PM
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BayArea
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chris just get a 60D..i love it and all you need is 200 more bucks
Jul 25 2011 2:31AM
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eheath
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Worst advice ever. He has 800 max how is he suppose to afford a 60d and glass?
Jul 25 2011 2:59AM
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BayArea
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he can work and make a hundred bucks to buy one...
Jul 25 2011 3:00AM
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eheath
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... a hundred bucks isn't gonna buy you much glass. IMO a minimum amount for a HDDSLR setup is 2500.
Jul 25 2011 3:01AM
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BayArea
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you also are a ridiculous filmer/editor who has higher expectations then us noobs...my rig is 1500 and is sexy...works well for my low key shit i do
Jul 25 2011 3:03AM
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eheath
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well still, he only has 800 not 1500... and "us noobs" shouldn't be buying HDDSLR setups, IMO.
Jul 25 2011 3:04AM
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BayArea
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ahah he can make a few hundo...and yes i would agree but i do anyway because i can...not neccesarily a noob but in comparison to you i am
Jul 25 2011 3:06AM
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family_vacation
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Don't get a DSLR budget with that much money. Period.

You can't get any nice glass.
You can't get any stabilization.
You can't get acceptable sound quality.
You can't avoid an ergonomic mess.


Ever watched unstable DSLR footage? It is TERRIBLE.
Jul 25 2011 3:34AM
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Weird_Tofer
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What about a 7d? I saw an edit and the quality was amazing. The camera is about 13 hundred but do you think I need anything else with it? I can prob find one cheap
Jul 26 2011 8:17PM
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alexat955
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you would need 2500 to 3000 to get a 7d setup
Jul 26 2011 8:23PM
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B1kessk1s
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basic HDDSLR is minimum 2500 yes.

i have the basic T3i with the 18-55mm kit lens and i spend over 1500 only in accessories so im at 2500 and i do not even have a good lens. so yes 2500 is really the MINIMUM. probably gonna spend 800$ on a lens so i'll be at 3200$ with a deent setup.
Jul 26 2011 8:31PM
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blatt
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7d has the exact same sensor as the T2i, meaning the quality is no different. I'd actually prefer a T2i because it has Magic Lantern.
Jul 26 2011 8:37PM
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Weird_Tofer
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What's a magic lantern? What's the difference between a t2i and a t3i? What else would I need with them
Jul 29 2011 1:23AM
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blatt
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Magic Lantern explained:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?248171-Magic-Lantern-Firmware

Difference between T2i and T3i (and all APS-C DSLR's):
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?249562-Difference-between-APS-C-Camera-models-(7D-vs-T2i-vs-60D-vs-T3i)
Jul 29 2011 1:26AM
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cgrinnell
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I agree with eheath, also check this out, Dan makes some good comparisons http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/category/gear-review/comparisons/
Jul 29 2011 1:28AM
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family_vacation
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Please stop looking at DSLRS. With that money, you will be let down.
Jul 29 2011 1:40AM
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yeahno
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800 will get you either a decent body or a shitty cam with shitty lens



look at the hv30


or i have a hdr-cx-550v id sell you for like 800 shipped with a handle and fisheye
Jul 29 2011 1:44AM
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EC-Skier
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get this
Jul 29 2011 2:01AM
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Weird_Tofer
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change of budget...right now i have 1100 but im gonna keep saving money. lets say budget is like 1500ish
Jul 30 2011 2:00PM
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alexat955
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panasonic tm700, tripod, glidecam, wide angle?
Jul 30 2011 8:33PM
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WillStart
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nope.


not nearly enough, listen to eheath and every other knowledgeable filmer in this thread. what good lens is he gonna buy with that much? and dont say 50mm f/1.8, because that is a terrible single lens
Jul 30 2011 8:41PM
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1337
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you have an HF200, one of the better non-hdslr cameras out there. whats wrong with it?
Jul 30 2011 8:42PM
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Balto
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camera not breaking due to moisture when out on the hill > ML

Jul 30 2011 8:46PM
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1337
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i have yet to hear of a case of this happening....
Jul 30 2011 8:49PM
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WillStart
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it won't.



filmed with my t2i in rain and blizzards, never had a single problem.


have you had that happen? if not, stop saying that. i'm tired of hearing that because the t2i is much more durable than people think. if it did, damn, sorry man. that's some bad luck.
Jul 30 2011 8:50PM
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family_vacation
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my t2i does excellent with moisture on the hill. I have shot in light rain and wet snow.
Jul 30 2011 8:50PM
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1337
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thomas doesn't or hasn't owned a t2i, and it has not happened to him that I know of. People shit on t2i's too much >:(
Jul 30 2011 9:02PM
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WillStart
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soooooooooo annoying. people think that because the 7D is more weather resistant than a T2i, that automatically means the T2i will break with any moisture whatsoever. DEFINITELY not a reason to buy a T2i. the T2i is already very durable. no need for a 7D for standard ski filming over a T2i
Jul 30 2011 9:23PM
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Weird_Tofer
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ive made up my mind and i want a t2i. ive been watching a buncha edits recently and the t2i looks perfect for me. im not sure what else i would need with the camera. like lenses, attatchments, etc.
Jul 31 2011 3:54PM
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Dwarftosser1
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For your Budget of 1100, I don't see a T2i in your future..
For Instance an average cost for the T2i, is what like $750?
That leaves you 350 bucks for everything else and no money for the future. If I was you I would hold off for a little while until you have more money then look at buying a refurbished T2i, some nicer glass, and a good tripod/glidecam.
Jul 31 2011 5:42PM
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WillStart
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he is right.


unfortunately, 800, or even 1000, will not be nearly enough.

you will need at least two lenses, memory cards, extra batteries, stabilization if you don't have any, and probably a mic, even if it's just a cheap one.


i wouldn't even say that i have an amazing DSLR setup and I've put over $3k into it.

if you aim for as cheap a setup as possible (while still building a solid setup) you will need one 16gb class 10 SD card, an extra battery, canon 50mm f/1.8, tamron 17-50 f/2.8, plus a refurbished T2i. that will definitely put you well over your budget.
Jul 31 2011 5:49PM
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Weird_Tofer
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i just found out that my dad already has a t2i. all i need now are attatchments
Jul 31 2011 5:57PM
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alexat955
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what lenses does he have? and now you need to look into stabilization (tripod/glidecam) and probably a mic
Jul 31 2011 6:32PM
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blatt
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That's a start. $2k will do you pretty good as far as lenses/accessories. Mainly lenses though.
Jul 31 2011 6:40PM
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[J_Gasper]
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i dont think he will need 2k for lenses and accessories. 350 for tamron 17-50, 150 for canon 50mm, battery grip plus batteries 50 bucks, at most 100 bucks in SD cards, 120 for rode mic. glidecam 350.

around a grand is ideal
Jul 31 2011 6:49PM
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blatt
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17-50 and 50 prime is kinda pointless, unless you shoot a lot of low light shit. It doesn't do you too well if you have to shoot any telephoto. At least get an 85mm prime instead of the 50mm. Here's my ideal lens list, I dont shoot much low-light stuff:

Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 450 new, 350 used
Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 500 new
Canon 70-200 f/4 L 700 new 550 used

Thats a pretty solid set of lenses, covers some good focal lengths. And thats $1,650 in lenses if you buy new. If you toss out the 28-75 you still are looking at $1,150 in lenses. Lenses are something you should spend a lot of money on, way more than the HDDSLR body.
Jul 31 2011 6:55PM
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[J_Gasper]
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yeah i guess your right. but im guessing his dad knows a bit about photography and has a nice lens or 2, not just the t2i and kit lens.
Jul 31 2011 6:58PM
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blatt
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Don't count chickens before they hatch... The T2i is a consumer based camera. Most people shooting with rebel series DSLR's dont go much farther than the kit lens, that's just my observation though. Maybe I'm wrong.
Jul 31 2011 7:01PM
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WillStart
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gonna have to disagree i think. i have very distinct uses for my 17-55mm vs my 50mm f/1.4. i personally like the way the glass looks a little more, it's much smaller, it has shallower dof, and i would rather shoot through prime glass than shoot through glass that is zoomed in.


i have the 17-55, 50, and 85 and i consider it a pretty perfect lens setup. don't plan on buying any new lenses anytime soon.
Jul 31 2011 7:02PM
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Weird_Tofer
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so i thought the camera was a t2i because when i typed in the name on the box (canon rebel), the first one that popped up was a t2i. It turns out the camera i have is a 350d which apparently doesnt record video. so im going to buy a t2i most likely but is there anything that i NEED for it? anything thats really necessary to have? sorry for the confusion and thanks for all the hellp everyone
Jul 31 2011 11:16PM
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WillStart
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I suggest you buy a refurbished T2i, BODY ONLY. If you can afford it, buy the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 non-VC lens. Also buy an extra battery and a 16gb Class 10 SD card. That should keep you set for a while and won't cost you too much. If you don't have any stabilization, you need to invest in that too.


Later on, you should buy either the 50mm f/1.8 or the 85mm f/1.8, or both if you can.
Jul 31 2011 11:37PM
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eheath
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a 17-50 2.8 and a 50mm 1.4 look much different. plus, using any zoom at its longest length isnt very good, even a 70-200mm 2.8 @200 looks worse than @190.
Aug 1 2011 12:22AM
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Weird_Tofer
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Thanks for all the help everyone. +k to all
Aug 8 2011 5:49PM
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SSteezle
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not necessarily. I'm not saying it's not good to have some good money to put into your setup but you can get a pretty decent setup for relatively cheap.

I currently have a canon t2i and bought it with the kit lens through the canon loyalty program for about $540. I sold the kid lens for $90 on ebay. This means i got the t2i body for $450.

Since then i've bought:

Intervalometer- $30
Tripod- $100
Canon 50mm 1.8 - $100
Raynox 17-50 2.8- $400
Case- $20
Extra Battery and 2 16gb Class 10 cards- $50

Total: $1150

Obviously my setup isn't complete and I still need to put down money for a tele-zoom lens and a stabilizer in the future. but as for now my tripod works pretty damn well for a stabilizer and overall i'm pretty happy with my setup for the money i've put into it. I'm just saying that it is possible to have a decent setup to work with until you make more money to purchase lens/stabilization/etc.
Aug 8 2011 5:58PM
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WillStart
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but you have a $100 tripod, a $20 case, and no mic.

also, add tax + shipping onto that, probably over 1200
Aug 8 2011 6:21PM
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blatt
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Learn how to use a camera before buying an intervalometer. I think they're pretty tough.
$100 wont get you much for a tripod. A fluid tripod is 200 at cheapest.
50mm is alright, but they cost 125 new and most people don't sell their's so you gotta buy new.
Dont waste your time with the raynox. Get the tamron 17-50 non vc for the same price. much sharper.
idk cases but I know a photo back with ICU is at least 125 for a shitty one.
2 16 gig class 10's will run you about $100. I paid $50 for one on bh. And batteries aren't cheap unless you buy shitty 3rd party ones.

You're really gonna want a lot more to start out, at least a better tripod. Ditch the intervalometer and put it towards the battery and memory. Ditch the 17-50 for a tamron 17-50, get a better case if you plan on using it while skiing.

my .02
Aug 8 2011 6:30PM
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WillStart
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well, he already bought all that stuff...
Aug 8 2011 6:33PM
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