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Boooshank
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Hey all,

Going to a camp in a few weeks has brought me to think what i can actually expect to learn in week.

Seen posts commenting that a week at camp is like ski'ing a full season, learning wise?.

I obviously know the more i push myself to learn, the more i will. I have no real comparison to know how much i can physically learn as i dont know anyone that does tricks and rage's on ski's to see there progression.

I found a thread for the order you guys learned your shit in but with no timelines to it.

Questions are....

How long did it take you to get to level your at? It take you a while to stomp a particular trick? Anything you hit the wall with and went around?

Looking forward to seeing my progression from some proper coaching.

Jul 13 2011 9:37PM
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grown-ninja
Posts: 3031 - Karma: 175
i "peeked" about 7 years ago, ugly 540's, ugly backflips, and ugly 270's on haha, its been all downhill since, more of a tree guy than park guy now, so you could say my skiing learning curve is terribly low.
Jul 13 2011 11:51PM
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panojibber
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I've been skiing park since like... Winter of 06/07.
I learned sw. 5, cork 7, regular 9, 450 out of rails all in the 09/10 season.
7s took me a long fucking time... Hardest part with those is getting the right pop, its really easy to come around backseat I find. I was trying them in my second season of park, took me another year or two to actually stomp them and now I think I can say I've got them on lock.
Strangely enough, cork 7s were the easiest thing I've ever done lol. Stomped my first one and I think I've fell on only one out of all the ones I've done on snow.
Jul 13 2011 11:59PM
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TACO-DOG.exe
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this past season was my first year of taking freeride skiing seriously. before i was hitting boxes straight and i couldn't do urban-on rails. now i can 270 on to most boxes, hit all the rails in the park, hit all the jumps in the park.

but really just progress however fast you fell you should. don't EVER do something you are not comfortable with because that just leads to disaster.

have fun!
Jul 14 2011 12:04AM
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POW-WOW
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Ive skied two full seasons now and I learned a 180 my first year! claim!jk and then this year I got down 360s, rails, frontflips and backflips. This year I probably skied 14-17 times
Jul 14 2011 12:06AM
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c4t_l0ver
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this is my second season skiing park, i just landed cork 9 and rodeo 7 last week at coc.

stokeddd
Jul 14 2011 12:28AM
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POW-WOW
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So true +K
Jul 14 2011 12:43AM
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Boooshank
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Awesome repsones. Shows natural talent to muscle remembrance.

"Peeked" Ahahha

Panojibber, you sound like a very competent rider. Fair Play! I wish for a bag of tricks like that.

Taco, so on your level! Don't do anything I'm not comfortable with? You saying the first time you tried stuff you were comfortable with it? I know for sure if/when i go inverted or whatever. I'll be shitting my pants, completely unsure and loving every minute of it!

Pow and ThunderCats! Thats ridiculous. Hoping i learn that quick!
Jul 14 2011 12:56AM
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Jeffmnicholas
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thats sick! what were u able to do ur first year of park skiing?
Jul 14 2011 12:59AM
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TACO-DOG.exe
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what i'm saying is don't go from landing a 360 to trying a dub rodeo off a jump you've never hit before
Jul 14 2011 1:01AM
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c4t_l0ver
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360.

270 off.
Jul 14 2011 1:02AM
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Toasted*Steeze
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To be honest, if you really want to progress, then do comps. Comps ALWAYS push you. I dont know about camps though. I went on a couple and learnt to rodeo 7' after like, 3. but when im not doing comps, im not progressing
Jul 14 2011 1:08AM
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panojibber
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When you're going to try something new, I find there's a point of confidence that you have to exceed before trying something, for it to be safe. Like if you want to 7, you should do a bunch of 5s, and then eventually you'll start to kind of see/feel how you would do the 7 in your head. Once you've got that visualization down... Go for it. Coaching really helps with this because it gets rid of little technical bad habits that you might have holding you back.

I've always relied on visualization for my tricks... Really helps with getting the motions right and confidence. I've always believed that there is no point in trying something unless you are 100% confident you are going to stomp it, and can see it in your head. Then when you try it, you'll either stomp it, or fall and figure out what you did wrong. As opposed to just deciding you want to try something without knowing how to do it, and hurting yourself.

Basically... You'll know when its time for that first backflip.
Jul 14 2011 1:29AM
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Boooshank
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Taco, I gets. I really aint that stupid. (I hope not) I certainly know my limits but wanna make sure i'm always pushing them. Trying to think about goals that I want from the camp, researching and trying to learn as much as i dam near can. The amount of lingo involved in this sport is crazy! I've never done a sport like this before, so even the generic flip/grab terms i dont have a clue about yet.

Competition is something i used too. I'm lucky enough to have competed in something all over the world and definitely wanna compete at ski'ing. Just need a solid basis to make sure i dont kill myself!

NS rox!
Jul 14 2011 1:36AM
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ILLinoisance
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Spinning frontside wise:

180 - 2 Days on snow
360 - 5 Days on snow
540 - 30 Days on snow
720 - 35 Days on snow
900 - 50 Days on snow
1080 - 50 Days on snow

Rails:

1st time sliding a rail - Day 30 on snow
270 off, 450 off - Day 35 on snow
270 on, 450 on - Day 40 on snow

With some random backside, corked, and switch stuff in there too.... Hopefully, finally going inverted next year.
Jul 14 2011 2:02AM
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Saintlysteeze
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1st year of park skiing was this year
3 with blunt
5 with blunt
can slide any rail
and 270 off a lot

trying to progress a lot with summer setup, and go to snowflex to go inverted
Jul 14 2011 2:23AM
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Boooshank
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I'll be pretty chuffed with myself if im your position this time next year!
Jul 14 2011 2:30AM
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Blake.P
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Mine was really fast with rails but my park doesn't have jumps :( so it's really slow. I think I only had a day of jumps like twice this year. But with rails, I went from being barely able to slide a flat box at the end of last year to getting some 4's out, 2's out of any rail, and hitting clean urban style rails. And taps and all that good stuff too
Jul 14 2011 2:32AM
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Boooshank
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Jibber. Love the comment "I'll know when its time for my first backflip"
Perfect thought I'm gonna keep in my mind when trying anything! Thanks!
Jul 14 2011 3:04AM
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GBS
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This was the first season I skied park. I didn't really push myself much in the first part of the season. But at the end I progressed faster. Jumps: Some grabs 180 360 unnatty 180 unnatty 360 540 backflips in powder. frontflips in powder. and all my spins with grabs (Safety and Mute). Almost 720 on last day. Rails: 50-50 Railslide Front 270 off Frontside switchup Step-on Blindside switchup Blind 270 off 270 on ---------- Last day of the season. K-fed 450 out Brittanys Butters on ----------- Im not very ballsy, but if you just commit to it, and go for it, you will land it pretty fast =D...
Jul 14 2011 6:56AM
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tinkytwinky
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i have done alot but im not consistent with much haha

theres no jumps where i ski so the best thing i can do i the air is a jap 3

rails i can do alot more i guess: kfeds, surface swaps (only bs) 2 on, crown. 2nd year of park skiing, going about 20 days a year. im moving to WA this winter, stoked!

Oh and i just saved enough to go to windells so im sort of in your boat too, im hoping to learn blunt 5 and a bunch of rail stuff (lip 2 on sw out, sw lip being the big ones)

Jul 14 2011 9:14AM
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p3g00
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it all depends on the person I think, there are people that can go out there and progress from a mute 3 to tail 5 or even corks really quickly, and then there are others, like myself, that have been skiing park for a while now and are only starting to try more advanced stuff. Its all about you, and i sort of disagree with the person before about comfort zones, do things that make you uncomfortable because eventually they too will become normal, just like sliding a rail or hitting a jump
Jul 14 2011 9:34AM
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.squirrely.
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ya i always try new stuff in comps because kids are doing better and i dont have the time to think about it so im not scared. comps progress you soooo much. this is my first year and i learned 5, grabbed 3s, hit most jumps, slide mosts rails and most boxes, 270 onto low boxes, 270 out of some rails and hop on urban style
Jul 14 2011 9:38AM
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hey-dude-its-me
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started skiing 3 years ago when I was 24, was never willing to get hurt or even try anything over a 3.

last season instead of trying new tricks I spent more runs timing myself going down the rail line as fast as possible hitting each feature with right foot in front, then left foot in front on the next run and stuff like that
Jul 14 2011 9:59AM
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TechnoPotamus
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hit the wall at corked 5's when it resulted in me tearing my ACL and MCL and realizing that it wasn't worth the risk anymore after it put me out of commission from doing anything I enjoyed for 13 months straight.
Jul 14 2011 10:03AM
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skijunkiedtm
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When I went to camp I didn't learn shit as I was too busy having the best time of my life. So please don't lose site of what you are there for, fun not training.
Jul 14 2011 10:16AM
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peyton
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push yourself and you will progress. and your style should improve no matter what if your skiing alot haha
Jul 14 2011 10:21AM
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razors-chaz
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Starte properly park skiing in 09/10 having only really learnt basic ski technique in 08/09 i was slidon rails
Jul 14 2011 10:39AM
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razors-chaz
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Fuck i hate mobile NS * i was sliding rails properly from day 1 and hitting smallish jumps straight air. Didnt progress much for the rest of the season, ( i rollerbladed so basics were natural) got 1s and unat1s and could just about sketch a 3 at the end of the season ( with 15 or so days on snow) but this season shit went off in 3 days on dryslope ( i live in scotland) i cleaned up what i learned last season and started to build on it with unat 3s and getting swups and 2s off and threw myself into skiing off piste and powder. By xmas i could lincoln a 15ft jump and happily throw tricks about the park and by easter i threw lincoln off a 50fter and a couple of weeks ago i almost got rodeo5s on dryslope and plan to keep up/pick up the pace on learning and get 5s 7s sw3s and a bunch by nov but if you are really just commiitted to learning shred hard but dont forget to have some fun every now and then and you will pick it up quick as fpr camp i think coaching can go a long way if you listen and learn.
Jul 14 2011 10:52AM
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GANDALF
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At the beginning of the season I was not tooc
Jul 14 2011 11:46AM
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GANDALF
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Too comfortable dropping cliffs, but by the end I was sending 25 and 30 footers
Jul 14 2011 11:48AM
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Boooshank
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No sir, I'm at camp for nothing but training! Fun will be had i'm sure.

The fun will be using the skills and techniques on the mountain with my friends next season.

Awesome responses.

Fingers crossed i'm one of "You learn fast type of guy" Would like to think im that way inclined with other aspects. Took me 6 years to be at the top re: competing flair competitions.

So stoked for camp, the 11 hour road trip, Not so much!
Jul 14 2011 3:04PM
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SirFryanator
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I've been to camp 3 times, starting from 6 years ago. learned a lot the first time...proper spin technique, got 3s and 5s consistently first time skiing a park for more than 2 days in a season. second time a couple years later I got corks and grabs with them down, rightside spins, lincolns, did a couple rodeos
the next year (two summers ago) i just dialed everything in. no new tricks other than landing a grabbed 10 but but it was fun anyway. I was also at hood a month the third time, only a week at camp...I think there's a point at which where you plateau. but if it's your first time you'll learn a LOT I bet. proper technique is key in park and if you don't have it you won't learn new tricks, let alone learn new grabs and style.

basically you'll learn a lot and it'll be fun, even if your bag of tricks doesn't increase a shitton. enjoy
Jul 14 2011 3:29PM
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MANDER
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if you stay inside your comfort zone your entire life then i truly feel bad for you. you're missing out on A LOT.
Jul 14 2011 3:33PM
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brhisawsome
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been skiing for a year and got natural and unnatural 3's and 5's and switch 1's

Jul 14 2011 5:52PM
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Crankset
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It's all relative to the size of your testicles...
Jul 14 2011 6:06PM
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skijunkiedtm
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I'm just saying don't get frustrated and feel you have to learn a certain trick, just let it flow and have fun.
Jul 14 2011 7:24PM
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Newschooleri.
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10/11 was pretty much my first year in the park and i can(including what i learned in the summer):
1 with multiple grabs
3 with multiple grabs
5
cork 3
cork 5 didnt really ride away
tried cork 7
tried rodeo
both 270's off
270 on
switch 270 on
450 out
front switch up
blind switch up
front switch up blind 2 out
blind switch up front 2 out
switch front switch up blind 2 out
double switch up
currently working on front switch up to front 2 out





Jul 14 2011 7:55PM
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tall_pants
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Sweet! I'm stuck on 15... But to the thread at camp I learned backs fives and a lot of rail stuff
Jul 15 2011 2:03AM
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Boooshank
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I one year?

How many days were u on the planks?
Jul 15 2011 6:23AM
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HarryPotter
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i know for me it was super easy to get the 1, then had to wait a few days to get 3 but got 5 the same day. after that there will be a plateau since you will have to start a. hitting bigger stuff and b. throw bigger tricks on the bigger stuff. so yeah after a while doing that you will throw like 7, front, back, maybe cork or rodeo but it will take time to get yourself to do these tricks and to be ready, dont rush it.

i find that for progressing and learning new tricks, backcountry jumps are the best because they eliminate almost any fear of injury. my friend and i were trying bio 7s and lincolns and shit one day in the bc, didnt land one all day but we were unscathed even after a nasty fall i took right on my back so that helps a ton. its a whole other game if you go into a jump knowing that if you go inverted and eat it, you will be ok.
Jul 15 2011 11:07AM
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D.B.ALL.DAY.
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I used to snowboard.......... and the first time I stepped on my skis was mid January. Living in Ohio doesn't really bring any huge mountains with crazy amounts of snow.  I went to my home "mountain" (about a 500ft vertical drop)  about 1-2 times a week and only skied park since the other terrain was literally pointless. I skied the rest of the season (till march 20th) and learned the following..

3s w/ mutes, blunts, and dub tails
Hand drag cork 3s
Pretty much any rail
270 outs both ways
some steezy bonks ;)
Backflips
and Flat 3s w/ Japans!

I'm never gonna snowboard again........ haha the harder you push yourself the more you're gonna learn! Good luck

Jul 15 2011 12:14PM
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Newschooleri.
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i was in the park and like 60 days
Jul 15 2011 2:43PM
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Boooshank
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Arrrr, thats why then. Fair play!
Jul 15 2011 2:51PM
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Newschooleri.
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ye i worked at a mountain so everyday after work i would go hit park, next season i need to step up my game on jumps
Jul 15 2011 3:16PM
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Boooshank
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Very nice! Step your game up?! Seemed like you excelled this year, dont think you got much to worry about progressing. But, then again. I dont know shit.
Jul 15 2011 3:56PM
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jeR.
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focus not solely on increasing your bag of tricks but how you execute the tricks that you can already do. your bag will expand with time. the better you get the more difficult tricks will just come naturally.
Jul 16 2011 11:22AM
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fatman44
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this. as soon as i got 360s solid, got a 540, soon as i got a front solid got a back and lincoln. 3 came within 2 weeks of park riding, 5 the next weekend, then 6-7 more days for front, 8/9 after for linocln/back
Jul 16 2011 11:31AM
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304NordMan
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I've been skiing park for 3 whole years now I think, and quite frankly, I'm really frustrated at my lack of progression. I really just don't understand how kids are landing multiple different types of inverted, off axis spins and shit after they're first two years. I've been skiing for my whole life, i'm a really good all around skier. But It doesn't click for me in the park. I visualize like crazy, I bash myself up, and after 3 years, I can:

Front two out.
Back two out.
Switchup, front and back.
Sw two on.
Just learned urban-on rails last year.
360s.

Maybe i'll just stick to trees and pow.
Jul 16 2011 11:59AM
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SirFryanator
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try these tricks off cliffs and bc booters built by 11-14 year olds for the first 4 years you even attempt spins and you'll see how doing them off a park jump becomes much much much much easier
Jul 16 2011 12:01PM
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@nonymous
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I think there are a few curves and leaps in the graph of my skiing life. I think for me, sometimes it pays to take a break. I find that it refreshes my mind, gets me back on track. When the season starts I find I learn more in one week, than I will during mid-end season. So my learning curves occur at the start of a season
Apr 15 2013 3:42AM
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