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Alternative fuels in diesel engines.

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j.bird
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My dad has a TDI and he told me that he could run his car off of like vegetable oil if he wanted to. I kind of believe it, i mean it makes snse just because it runs purely off a pressurized combustion, rather han a spark and an explosion. haha he said he wants to run it off of krispy kreme donut fryin oil. HAHHA that be so sick

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Is a French red alert like one step closer to surrendering?-rugbydave

i did think it was odd when my grandpa was wearing a hat with a pink feather sticking out of it, and calling my friends bitches

I just throw my sisters dildos on the ground and pretend lik i am grinding them. She walked in once when i was in the middle of a 270 out, it was awkward.-NoTeefa

I agree. Especially Gay pride. There's gonna be a war over that one soon. Unfortunately, one of the armies will spend way too much time designing their military camo, and this will prove their downfall... -J.D._May

oh, thats dissapointing, i thought by the title that we were bashing france-skierdudeguy, in the 'stupid People' thread


god those are some hideous looking little varmits-Ice-is-scary about babies


Jul 12 2004 2:55PM
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j.bird
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god dam im a shitty typer.

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Is a French red alert like one step closer to surrendering?-rugbydave

i did think it was odd when my grandpa was wearing a hat with a pink feather sticking out of it, and calling my friends bitches

I just throw my sisters dildos on the ground and pretend lik i am grinding them. She walked in once when i was in the middle of a 270 out, it was awkward.-NoTeefa

I agree. Especially Gay pride. There's gonna be a war over that one soon. Unfortunately, one of the armies will spend way too much time designing their military camo, and this will prove their downfall... -J.D._May

oh, thats dissapointing, i thought by the title that we were bashing france-skierdudeguy, in the 'stupid People' thread


god those are some hideous looking little varmits-Ice-is-scary about babies


Jul 12 2004 3:03PM
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mammothpunks
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they run the snowcats at mammoth on like a 50 50 mix of that shit and diesel. they call it biodesil then

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Jul 12 2004 3:55PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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IS THIS ALL DIESELS OR JUST THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF ENGINE?


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Jul 12 2004 4:01PM
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GeneralButtNaked
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When the gas prices sky rocketed people were trying to run cars off of vegetable oil.





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Jul 12 2004 4:02PM
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WOW I LEARNED SOMETHING FROM NEWSCHOOLERS THIS IS AMAZING


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Jul 12 2004 4:06PM
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beer.
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yup my dad just told me about that yesterday. diesel engines can burn almost anything, kerosene, vegetable oil, maybe jet fuel?

only about 50 stations in the U.S. sell biofuel, but that will prob increase. what we need are some hybrid electric/diesel cars, diesel is 30 cents per gallon cheaper.


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Jul 12 2004 4:10PM
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edmonton_skier
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^kerosene= jet fuel
Jul 12 2004 4:12PM
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EC-Tom
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im gonna teach you one more thing ICE_IS_Scary, turn off your god damn caps lock.

As for the vegi oil, a guy by me uses it. He goes to restaurants a few times a month and gets barrels of used oil for free. He just sifts out all the shit in it (french fries etc). Its actually pretty entertaining when he drives by, his exhaust smells somewhat of fried food and donuts. prety cool huh?


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Jul 12 2004 4:24PM
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CMUSkiFreak
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some guys made a cross country trip using only fryer oil they 'obtained' from restaurants along their way.
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Jul 12 2004 4:29PM
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You can buy conversion kits for pretty cheap to convert almost any diesel engine to run off vegetable oil... basically the oil just has to be filtered then and heated to make it less viscous. Saves the environment and saves your wallet, when you're going to the back of the restaurant instead of to the gas station.

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Jul 12 2004 4:36PM
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SkiUnit03
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^my sister does that, its wicked cool, but yeah you can by the converter for like 500-1500 us dollors, but from then on you can go to any fast food place and get free oil, that they just through out anyway, its way better for the envionment and its free, its awsome man





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Jul 12 2004 9:00PM
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EC-Tom
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500-1500 dollars is a fucking huge range...


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Jul 12 2004 9:37PM
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agingeri
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Biodiesel is made from corn oil and alcahol. Any diesel engine can use biodiesel. It's not a miracle fuel, but it has something like 38% of the emissions of regular diesel and costs a fair amount less.

A biodiesel station just opened up in the city where I live and CU just south of me in Boulder uses biodiesel for all their diesel vehicles on campus.

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Jul 13 2004 1:24AM
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yeah you go run your diesel on bacon fat. If it even starts, let me know how long it runs before the fuel pump, fuel filter, and exhaust gum up. Then let me know how much it cost to fix it. then send me a video of someone slapping you.

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Jul 13 2004 6:18PM
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davidh
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i read a book about it. Engines that run off of straight vege oil have to be converted because vege oil deteriorates the rubber seals and hoses usually found in diesles. Also, the engines have to be started and warmed up on straight diesle or biodiesle before switching to vege oil. Vege oil hardens when it gets cold, se there have to be heaters in the tank. It's so sick, cause then it smells like whatever the oil has been cooked in after it's burned. Krispy Kreme oil would be sick. I want to get an old shitty tdi, and convert it. they sell kits. check in your library, the book was really interesting.





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Jul 13 2004 6:25PM
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davidh
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kerosene does not = jet fuel. Jet fuel can be used in diesle engines too tho.




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Jul 13 2004 6:26PM
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skipimp_
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mY FRIEND IN CALGARY CONVERTED A BUS TO RUN OFF RESTAURANT GREASE.caps sorry..

kerosene is def not jet fuel.

maybe we can run cars off human fat....



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Jul 14 2004 3:36PM
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jet fuel=hydrazyne (sp?)
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Jul 14 2004 3:39PM
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Raek
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yeah word vegtable oil fucks up your engine ALOT and i heavily doubt that they will be warrantied






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Jul 14 2004 3:49PM
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221
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again, by the time you take into account the extra time and money, all this alternative fuel mumbo jumbo still isn't worth it.

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Jul 14 2004 4:23PM
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skodeo7
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yea you can definately do this to diesels, my friend has a jetta and it runs off vegetable oil...for their senior hypothesis at middlebury they got this small RV and they completely converted it to burn vegetable oil (all on their own, not with a kit of some sort) and they took it around the country giving demonstrations or whatnot, crazy shit. The funny thing is it always smells like a barbeque when a car that burns off vegetable oil drives by.
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Jul 14 2004 4:23PM
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Raek
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^u in middlebury?






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Jul 14 2004 4:27PM
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naw I went to hs with the kid
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Jul 14 2004 5:11PM
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Raek
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oh yo do you know if its mad hard to get in there im looking at it for next year...i heard they have their own ski resort






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twix_182
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we had tons of it in our old barn from a frier or sumthing at my parents store.




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Jul 14 2004 6:03PM
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rhcp
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imagine all cars running on vegetable oil. i wonder if they could mass produce vegetable oil.
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i dont know why more people dont do it these days




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Jul 14 2004 6:09PM
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SkiUnit03
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cuz people don't care about the envoincement anymore, and don't care about saving money





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Jul 14 2004 6:37PM
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pipekilla.
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diesels also can burn propane, it is like a nitrous for them. normally all you need to burn differnt fuels in special filters and glow plugs.
Jul 14 2004 7:11PM
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mwhahaha
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^ ya you need a dif glow plug to run propane in a diesel engine i mean without the right glowplug how could a DIESEL engine ever run o wait they dont have frickin sparkplugs
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jet fuel and kero not always same thing my aircraft fuel is just a higher octane than regular gas... and alot more expensive... but its not kero.. some is some isnt


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Jul 14 2004 8:12PM
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j.bird
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Kerosene and jet fuel are almost identical. The difference in how much refined gas is to diesel, is way more than the difference of kerosene and jetfuel. I cannot remember what its called, but it is SLIGHTLY more reefined than kerosene.

And about propane, propane will burn in a gas engine, with the same sparkplugs, but you need a new injection method, lines, tank, etc etc. And you do not need new glowplugs to burn propane, or oil's because all a glow pug does is heat the cylinder when you first start it, then just keeps it hot so it will combust rather than just pressurize.

And 221 you have to filter it moron. ypu don't just throw some random ass oil in it. Its all cleaned out, so it wouldn't get clogged any easier than diesel.

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It really, really did. Never say that again. In fact, don't say anything at all for little bit. Give us time to recover.-J.D._May

Is a French red alert like one step closer to surrendering?-rugbydave

i did think it was odd when my grandpa was wearing a hat with a pink feather sticking out of it, and calling my friends bitches

I just throw my sisters dildos on the ground and pretend lik i am grinding them. She walked in once when i was in the middle of a 270 out, it was awkward.-NoTeefa

I agree. Especially Gay pride. There's gonna be a war over that one soon. Unfortunately, one of the armies will spend way too much time designing their military camo, and this will prove their downfall... -J.D._May

oh, thats dissapointing, i thought by the title that we were bashing france-skierdudeguy, in the 'stupid People' thread


god those are some hideous looking little varmits-Ice-is-scary about babies


Jul 14 2004 9:28PM
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skipimp_
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word up.

Diesel engines don't have spark plugs?

hmm.

what do they use?





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Sep 27 2004 4:05PM
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Lanemeyers
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There is a lot of bullshit in this thread. Do some serious research if you're interested. Actually buying biodiesel in Ontario right now is more expensive then petro diesel (which is an argument all in itself) but hopefully the price will come down with more people considering it a viable option. The benefits are huge. I've been working on starting some trucks at my trucking company on B20.

There is no alcohol in biodiesel, the above must've confused it with ethanol, which is another green fuel....



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Sep 27 2004 5:42PM
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the_unknown
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Diesels don't need spark plugs becuase Deisel fuel explodes when it is pressurized unlike gas that needs compression and a spark for it to burn.
Glowplugs only heat the cylinder up in order to make the Diesel Combust easier. Once the engine is running they turn off because the heat generated from the combustion keeps the cylinder hot for the next revolution. Diesels engines are far more simpler than gas ones because of this
Sep 27 2004 5:52PM
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skipimp_
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nice.

and they pollute more because ot it right



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Sep 29 2004 1:24PM
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the_unknown
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actually a lot of diesel cars (keyword cars) are more environmentally safe than gas ones. they've done a lot to improve the exhaust gas on them. I thknk some of em don't even need catalytic converters...not sure on that one tho
Sep 29 2004 2:11PM
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pipekilla.
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diesels are just more economical, the new 6.0's have so much power and torque. with bio-diesel you need a special filter on the fuel system or else it won't feed right.
Sep 29 2004 6:30PM
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skipimp_
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then make it so it feeds right...people are lazy, so I guess taking apart your cars engine is too big a job gor you huh sloth.



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Oct 5 2004 2:43PM
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chimper
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diesels cant run off propane but+ you can inject propane into it like you do nitrous to gas so you get more power for things like towning. you can also inject nitrous into a disel but you need to have propane injected first.



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Oct 5 2004 4:51PM
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pipekilla.
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diesel and propane both ignite the same way, but you don't need propane before nitrous. you just put a intlet theat puts t right into the port. it is crazy power, up to 300hp
Oct 5 2004 6:41PM
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Lanemeyers
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The only big problem, which is mostly if you're running B100, which is straight bio-diesel, is gelling (sp?). It has a higher gel point then normal petro diesel which causes problems in the winter. Heated fuel lines are the solution, which I suppose is cost you have to swallow but there are many benefits that will save you money:
Better fuel efficiency
Better engine lubricity
Less interior buildup (cleaner filters, etc..)

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Oct 6 2004 8:10AM
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davidh
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Aspen SkiCo uses biodiesel in their snocats.

Diesel engines are initially started with a glow plug, but once they fire, they have some crazy compression and the heat caused by the compression ignites the diesel. It is sick how engines can be converted. Check out the library (how many of you even know where a library is?) because they have good books on the topic, if you really care enough. Running on straight vegetable oil is a feasible option, but if it gets cold (like in the winter) it gels and has to be heated electrically. In the winter, this is a bit of a problem. One possible option is having a heated tank which is plugged in to a ground line. Because a diesel engine cannot start on vegetable oil, another option is to de-gel the vegetable while the engine warms up on regular diesel or biodiesel. It's very, very interesting. The more handy bunch can probably convert the engine themself. For someone more interested in saving the environment, but is not so good at using their hands and tools, buying a kit and having a mechanic is the better option. Either way, you're helping the environment and eventually saving yourself some money.
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Oct 6 2004 8:33AM
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if i had a diesel car, i'd do it. but i've got a subaru. so no TDI for me. but a flat 4 diesel engine would be cool............
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Oct 6 2004 9:03AM
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pipekilla.
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i wonder what bio diesel cost per gallon, normal is up to $2.11 here, crazy
Oct 6 2004 7:10PM
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j.bird
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or you could filter your own^^^ for free with the Mcdonalds shit that they cant wait to get off there hands. Might be a long process, but if you ask me worth the wait you save hundreds. Def a good investment

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It really, really did. Never say that again. In fact, don't say anything at all for little bit. Give us time to recover.-J.D._May

Is a French red alert like one step closer to surrendering?-rugbydave

i did think it was odd when my grandpa was wearing a hat with a pink feather sticking out of it, and calling my friends bitches

I just throw my sisters dildos on the ground and pretend lik i am grinding them. She walked in once when i was in the middle of a 270 out, it was awkward.-NoTeefa

I agree. Especially Gay pride. There's gonna be a war over that one soon. Unfortunately, one of the armies will spend way too much time designing their military camo, and this will prove their downfall... -J.D._May

oh, thats dissapointing, i thought by the title that we were bashing france-skierdudeguy, in the 'stupid People' thread


god those are some hideous looking little varmits-Ice-is-scary about babies


Oct 6 2004 9:50PM
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jet fuel would burn way to fast
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j.bird
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lol well you can't put that in a car, and it wouldn't burn fast enough. its not refined enough.

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It really, really did. Never say that again. In fact, don't say anything at all for little bit. Give us time to recover.-J.D._May

Is a French red alert like one step closer to surrendering?-rugbydave

i did think it was odd when my grandpa was wearing a hat with a pink feather sticking out of it, and calling my friends bitches

I just throw my sisters dildos on the ground and pretend lik i am grinding them. She walked in once when i was in the middle of a 270 out, it was awkward.-NoTeefa

I agree. Especially Gay pride. There's gonna be a war over that one soon. Unfortunately, one of the armies will spend way too much time designing their military camo, and this will prove their downfall... -J.D._May

oh, thats dissapointing, i thought by the title that we were bashing france-skierdudeguy, in the 'stupid People' thread


god those are some hideous looking little varmits-Ice-is-scary about babies


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I believe there is some way of making it with woodchips and a bunch of other shit... You can do it in your basement!

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