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Sparknotes on Moment Skis 2011/2012

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PappaG
Posts: 931 - Karma: 797
Jib
carbon stringers for pop
tip and tail remain buttery soft
Length | 156, 166, 171, 176, 181
Dims | 111-86-111

Team
"hyper-stiff, ultra-fast version of the Jib for competition"
Length | 171, 176, 181
Dims | 111-86-111

Vice
mustache rocker for park and pipe
Length | 168, 178, 184
Dims | 110-83-105

Eldorado
Length | 166, 176, 182
Dims | 112-85-101

Tahoe
slight tip rockers
Length | 170, 180, 188
Dims | 121-96-112

Night Train
Length | 168, 178, 186
Dims | 140-123-135

Ghost Chant
twin rocker, flat underfoot, bamboo core, dead center mount, symmetrical design
Length| 176, 186
Dims | 139-124-139

PB&J
symmetrical flex and center mount for park
mustache rocker/camber for outside park
Length | 162, 172, 182, 188
Dims | 129-101-121

Belafonte
Length | 174, 182, 192
Dims | 135-106-124

Bibby Pro
stiffer than last year
Length | 174, 184, 190, 196
Dims | 143-116-134 @ 174, 184
Dims | 143-118-134 @ 190
Dims | 150-116-123 @ 196

Jaguar Shark
wider Belafonte
tip rocker
Length | 174, 182, 192
Dims | 143-116-129

Comi
Length | 182, 192 (swallowtail)
Dims | 160-135-145

Donner Party
Length | 186, 196
Dims | 135-140-137-130




For the ladies,

Hot Mess
twin rocker
Length | 146, 156, 166
Dims | 112-85-101

Sierra
female version of Tahoe
tip rocker
Length | 150, 160, 170
Dims | 117-92-108 @ 150, 160
Dims | 121-96-112 @ 170

Bela
female version of the Belafonte
Length | 152, 162, 172
Dims | 134-106-126

Reagan
female version of Night Train
Length | 158, 168
Dims | 133-116-128



Ruby/Pika no longer available.
Jan 27 2011 11:29AM
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Ghini
Posts: 2230 - Karma: 2,883
I cant wait to see the PB&J rocker shots.. that must be a really fun ski..
Feb 1 2011 3:50AM
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Xanadoo
Posts: 729 - Karma: 1,237
https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/content/readnews/id/3675/


if you scroll down a little ways theres a picture of it
Feb 1 2011 11:41AM
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loganimlach
Posts: 5132 - Karma: 14,052
minimal camber underfoot with early rise tip and tail. the profile is similar to the night train as far as the early rise, but with maybe 1 cm reg camber underfoot.
Feb 1 2011 11:50AM
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phishfood
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YESSSS SOOO SICK

any idea what the flex is?
Feb 1 2011 1:07PM
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E.F.M.
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wow the designs this year are so sick
Feb 1 2011 4:11PM
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Twig
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The graphics this year are so on point. If they were easy to get a deal on in the UK, I'd get PB&Js to replace my Lizzies.
Feb 1 2011 7:54PM
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corkscrewski720
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They really need a 192ish Night Train...a ski like that would absolutely murder all.  FWIW I'm 6'1 190, skied the 186 and liked how it skied but it def. felt short.  Plus they could more effectively compete against a ski like the Chetler, which will be available next year in a 192 in much larger quantities.
Feb 1 2011 8:08PM
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griz_lee
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yea that is also what i thought but they tear up the park and worked well compeating in the big air. definatly the best park ski ive ever had. but now i have the PB and J. they are wider like 101 under foot and they are definatly more my style. super stable and sick all over the mountain but still buttery and fun in the park so if the vice is too skinny then get the PB and J you wont regret it.
Feb 1 2011 8:48PM
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amo
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what is the flex like on the PB&J?
Feb 2 2011 9:23AM
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belden...
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why dont you have an orange name?
Feb 2 2011 9:29AM
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abc8tr8we98g
Posts: 498 - Karma: 25
Holy crap the ghost chants! They are a reincarnation of the melee's, with more rocker and bamboo...If they ski anything/better than my melee's then this is the ski you want to sell your first child for. Trust me, it's going to be amazing.
Feb 2 2011 1:22PM
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Blokkie
Posts: 331 - Karma: 30
What moment ski fills the gap in my quiver of 3
I have a 100mm wasted park / all mtn ski
Moment night trains in a 189

Im thinking something for old new snow, every day groomers, crud and some trees. (some occ. deeper pow)
What am i looking for?
Belafonte
Ruby
Jaguar Shark
garbones fc.

FYI im 6,2 and 180
Feb 3 2011 6:44PM
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PappaG
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192 Belafonte for sure if you plan on taking out the NT when it's 8" or more of fresh snow.

Ruby is defunct. Jag Shark might be too wide for everday slaying (116mm in the waist). Garbones too stiff for trees.
Feb 3 2011 6:51PM
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jeremy.g
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hoping ngp could advise me a bit. my ski next year is gonna be a 186 night train or ghost chant. im just really torn between the two. i really like the fact that the ghost chants are symmetrical. im looking for a really fun playful ski. lot of dropping cliffs, jumping off pretty much everything and cruising through pow and trees and a whole lot of other stuff. and the night trains are also pretty appealing as well. im just wondering how jibby and playful of a ski they are? and im a very strong skier.
Feb 3 2011 9:16PM
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PappaG
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I would send a message to K.C.Deane ... the Ghost Chant is basically his ski creation (even if it's a rebadged Melee ;) ).

How to best answer your question depends how big of cliffs we're talking. Personally, I prefer less rocker on the tail so you minimize the wheelie effect when trying to stomp large airs. Ghost Chants have a lot of rocker, but they no doubt would super jibby and playful in deep pow.
Feb 3 2011 10:13PM
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jeremy.g
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thanks man. ya thats a concern dropping cliffs for sure. and i will do that.
Feb 3 2011 10:18PM
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griz_lee
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butterie but still solid i skied them for the first time today they are definatly the best ski i have ever owned and im not just saying that because i ride for moment. they are pretty fat like 101 under foot but honestly they seemed more nimble than my vices in the park. they are fat, really solid, really light and the perfect flex for charging every day. sickest ski ever.
Feb 4 2011 8:05PM
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amo
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okay that sounds great. so i have lizzies right now, what would the flex be compared to them? i assume much stiffer. im just not to sure what buttery but solid means
Feb 4 2011 10:50PM
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griz_lee
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yea it is kinda hard to define but they are definatly stiffer than lizzies but they have camber underfoot and rocker in the tip and tail. so the stability comes from the width and the camber under foot but the rocker makes them really playfull and buttery. and ill say it again best all around ski ever.
Feb 4 2011 11:02PM
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ianj
Posts: 536 - Karma: 167
Where and when can I order a pair of these sick skis????
Feb 5 2011 9:38PM
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griz_lee
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they will be out next fall and if they dont have them at your local shop, backcountry and evo both carry moment skis.
Feb 5 2011 10:38PM
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treecery.
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i demoed the ghost chants at winterpark last week and they seem like they would definitely be a sick ski in pow

however with the flat underfoot design and little sidecut they are NOT fun to ski on hardpact snow
Feb 5 2011 11:05PM
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treecery.
Posts: 1375 - Karma: 148
the vice sidecut and rocker are similar as the bibby pro

however with a different flex and an obvious difference in dimensions

i personally will be purchasing the bibbys (for all mountain) and the vice (for park) next year

i would buy the ghost chant because they are definitely a sick ski but seeing as i live on the east coast and by reading my above post you can see why they would not be to prime for me
Feb 5 2011 11:11PM
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treecery.
Posts: 1375 - Karma: 148
yea to be honest if you want a somewhat fat ski with rocker from moment and you want to take it everywhere the bibby is the ski

skis like whatever you want it to ski like

skis like a pow ski in pow
skis like a fucking race ski on hardpact
fucking plows through crud
and even will ski like a park ski if thats your thing

the mustache camber is the bomb

i dont really dig the flat underfoot thing, i have this years k2 revivals and i fucking hate them the flat underfoot shit makes them feel so dead

however i have never skied real deep face shot or even like knee deep pow so i do believe that the flat underfoot with tons of rocker would rip through that but i dont understand the practicality of having a ski that only skis good in deep pow

i would much rather have a ski (like the bibby) that just rips literally everywhere you take the things
Feb 5 2011 11:24PM
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treecery.
Posts: 1375 - Karma: 148
[IMG]http://images.media.nscdn.com/index.php?src=http://thomas-armento.smugmug.com/photos/1161064838_t6x5B-O.jpg&size=400x1000[/IMG]

also

they had a pair of the jag sharks with this graphic at the winterpark demo that my dad used for a couple runs

i dont know how he felt about the graphic
Feb 5 2011 11:29PM
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treecery.
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Click for larger image
Feb 5 2011 11:31PM
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jeremy.g
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what ski is this??
Feb 6 2011 3:54PM
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Rockhound
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b00bs!
Feb 6 2011 4:32PM
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Legion
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i wonder if moment can switch graphics between skis.

the pb&j looks promising, but the graphic is so dull
Feb 6 2011 4:47PM
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epic_line
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moments suck... well there park skis atleast.

My friend has about 20 edge cracks within 2 weeks of riding his and they wont warranty it

Feb 6 2011 5:54PM
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ThaLorax
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i think they can. i dn't know if they do it anymore though but before they blew up i'm pretty sure they used to be able to switch graphics.



and big_l, idk what you're talking about. i've heard nothing but good stuff about moment's construction.
Feb 6 2011 6:58PM
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treecery.
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it was gonna be the jaguar shark graphic but they didnt use it

i think they might do a limited release
Feb 6 2011 8:28PM
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loganimlach
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i find this incredibly hard to believe. i rode an entire season of urban on the rockers and had 3 edge cracks. you should come with some backup data before you start throwing shit like that out.
Feb 6 2011 8:56PM
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SlurbnBeef
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Ghost Chant's are gonna be so much fun for park and pow. Can't wait until next season!
Feb 6 2011 9:12PM
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griz_lee
Posts: 483 - Karma: 647
really in person the pb&J has one of my favorite graphics of the whole line.
Feb 6 2011 11:16PM
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Uncle_Remus
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shay or NGP can you guys put up the rocker profile for the pb&j
Feb 6 2011 11:22PM
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ThaLorax
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I didn't really think about this when I saw them in person but how are the PB&J's different from the Rockers? Did they just change the name? Change the rocker/dimmentions?
Feb 7 2011 1:16AM
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Kangbang
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NGP, could you get a rocker shot of the Night Trains please.
Feb 7 2011 1:22AM
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Ghini
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 Hope this works.. night trains are the same as last year..

Feb 7 2011 1:35AM
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Kangbang
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Thanks, +k.
Feb 7 2011 1:48AM
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PappaG
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I don't have NTs or PB&Js handy to get a rocker profile.

As for the titty graphic Jag Shark, it's likely a LTD release ... more sepia color than the purple you see in that picture.
Feb 7 2011 1:51AM
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Style+eeze
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Oh the irony.

Those Ghost Chants look epic. Must try.
Feb 7 2011 2:14AM
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Mr_pretzel
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Any reviews on the belafonte?
Feb 7 2011 6:25AM
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Xanadoo
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theres a video review of last years belafonte's. hope that helps

Feb 7 2011 11:44AM
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PappaG
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I'll try to throw something up in the gear review section. Basically, solid all-mountain directional charger, lots of pop, super smooth on groomers and through crud, has a 6-8" new snow limit. Behind the Bibby Pro and PB&J, it's my 3rd favorite ski from Moment and I've tried nearly all of them.
Feb 7 2011 12:50PM
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Mr_pretzel
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How are they in the trees?
Feb 7 2011 2:09PM
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PappaG
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I found the 182cm Belafonte quite responsive in tight spots. Not as manageable as a Bibby Pro but way more so than the Garbone or flat-tail 190 Ruby. Thanks to a slightly softer flex, the Jag Shark (basically a 116mm-waist Belafonte) is even better in the trees.
Feb 7 2011 2:31PM
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silex
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are the night trains going to be discontinued next year?
Feb 7 2011 4:43PM
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loganimlach
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Nope, relatively the same design as last year and they have my favorite graphics of the entire line.
Feb 7 2011 5:27PM
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Ghini
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Not being able to go to the ISPO right now sucks..

Really want to see the PB&J rocker/camber profile..

Feb 7 2011 6:16PM
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