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Reverse sidecut touring

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hella.sick.skier
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has anyone done this or tried it? is it worth cutting skins to a reverse sidecut ski?
Jan 21 2011 7:24PM
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DHogg
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For touring? Terrible idea. For sidecountry missions out looking for deep pow? Could be worthwhile depending where you ski.
Jan 21 2011 7:27PM
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andreweckels
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i don't think it would be good for long distances but i have never tried. interested to hear from anybody who has though.
Jan 21 2011 7:31PM
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derpina
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I have skins for my Rossi S7's for short trips out of bounds to get pow. Works just fine for me...
Jan 21 2011 7:49PM
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TWoods
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Ian Provo tours on either ARGs or JJs if I'm not mistaken.

I really don't see it being that much of an issue if you aren't touring in hard snow. Could suck in the spring if you're into slush touring. But then again, I wouldn't want to ski a reverse sidecut ski in anything but deep pow anyways, so I would say go for it.
Jan 21 2011 7:57PM
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hella.sick.skier
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yea im skiing on ARGs. thanks for the input
Jan 21 2011 8:02PM
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Balto
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my buddy tours on 205 lotus 138s with dukes and doesnt seem to have any problems
Jan 21 2011 8:03PM
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snowboardersrule
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a friend use to tour on 205s. i forget the brand but it was a really small company. they were reverse side cut and reverse camber. he said they were awesome for breaking trail cuz they float so much better.
Jan 21 2011 8:15PM
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.nasty
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yeah people always steer away from rockered fatties for touring but if you think about it, why would you be using them in any other condition than pow? just do it, when it's deep you'll get traction on skins no problem
Jan 21 2011 8:27PM
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Balto
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fat rockered skis=heavy
heavy=more work
more work=you get tired quicker

if you can't ski pow on something 100-110 you shouldn't be touring
Jan 21 2011 8:28PM
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.nasty
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well okay, but my moment melee's weigh less than the majority of skis people use for touring... ;)
Jan 21 2011 8:44PM
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loganimlach
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zing!
Jan 21 2011 9:20PM
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madsskaar
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^ why no orange name ?
Jan 21 2011 9:24PM
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hiphopopotamus
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my buddy has the dps lotus 130s ( a ton of reverse side cut) and he take his everywhere with out a problem.
Jan 21 2011 10:59PM
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freestyle_kyle
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I tour on my JJ's and they're awesome, 90% of the time. I'm skiing at Whitewater, Nelson BC. So lots of sidecountry access (1/2hr -2 hour skins). On old skin track, especially the sidehilly and steeper terrain they aren't the greatest. But if I'm doing a real tour and breaking trail or fresh skin tracks they're awesome. Keep in mind that most of your traction from your skins comes from the back 2/3's of the ski, so the more rocker you have in the tail, the less skin traction you get. Again, i really only notice this on older, steeper tracks. I think that the rocker/camber combo is gonna effect the skin performance more than reverse sidecut.
Jan 21 2011 11:41PM
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KneeDrop
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He said reverse sidecut. Not Reverse Camber or Rocker... and anyone struggling to skin on rockered skis is a straight re-re...get some god damn balance!

As for reverse sidecut, I could see issues when the snow is firm, but I don't think it's a terrible idea.
Jan 22 2011 12:08AM
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Daydreaming
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I don't see how reverse sidecut would give you problems on the trail compared to rocker.

As for rocker, I tour with EP Pros and haven't had issues.
Jan 22 2011 2:19AM
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123ski
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I tour on ARG's. They are full reverse sidecut. When I tour I am touring to get to better lines and better snow. I am not touring just for the sake of touring. I love having rocker on my AT setup because it really allows me to blaze trail easily. There really is no downside to touring on a reverse sidecut ski either. The ski will track just as well as a traditional ski, but on the way down you will have much more fun. Yes, cut the skin to the exact shape of the ski.
Jan 22 2011 2:53AM
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123ski
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oh..I forgot.. a reverse sidecut ski traditionally weighs less than most traditionally shaped skis that are 110mm underfoot. This is because ski weigh is traditionally carried in the tip and tail of the ski. Because that weight is further away from your foot (and the fulcrum of your binding) it causes the ski to feel heavier than it is. When you use a reverse sidecut ski for touring the weight is under your foot. This means that you aren't pushing and pulling weight around with you.

Also.. anyone can ski powder on a 100-110mm ski....its just more fun on a RR ski.

One last thing. I find that I don't mind having a little extra weight. More weight = Stronger. Stronger = Better Skier.
Jan 22 2011 2:57AM
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aob
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Go for it. Those will be the skis you want to be on when you are looking down your line. it may be more difficult on some of the up parts but in time you will just learn to adapt to the setup.
Jan 22 2011 3:23AM
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hiphopopotamus
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http://www.dpsskis.com/ski/lotus138

This shit is lighter than you park skis
Jan 22 2011 3:39AM
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yellav
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if you cant tour on reverse sidecut youre a dweeb. freel.
Jan 22 2011 3:48AM
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freestyle_kyle
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Haha that was exactly my train of thought when I first bought my JJ's, when I was living in Edmonton. I knew i wanted to move to Nelson where touring is the name of the game. I had never toured before, but I knew that they would be a lot of fun on the way down, so I threw some Barons on them. It was a fuckin great call.
Jan 22 2011 6:24AM
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BlackcountryBill
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I tour on my Donner Partys, I've had no problems bar them being a bit heavy, one just needs to man up. On the way down it's awesome.
Jan 22 2011 8:00AM
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smuggs
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you actually want the edges out. so you cut one side, move it over a few mms and cut the other side. edge and a small amount of base is the goal.

the point of having the edges out is incase it gets icy, or incase when you hit a downhill section in the skin track (like mt superior) you have some grip.
Jan 22 2011 10:35AM
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derpina
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Took the words right out of my mouth.
Jan 22 2011 10:41AM
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123ski
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well of course....i just asumed everyone knew that.... thanks for claryfing it for the OP though.
Jan 22 2011 12:00PM
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smuggs
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yes well 'exact shape' sounded a bit misleading. i think most people have no idea that the edges plus a bit more should be out of the skin. i know that i didnt know that on my first pair of skins.

Jan 22 2011 1:18PM
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Dr-Strangelove
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I tour on 138s. They can be challenging on a greasy, steep skintrack, but it isn't that bad. Great for breaking trail too.
Jan 22 2011 3:54PM
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Karma_Police
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He tours on JJ's which aren't a reverse sidecut ski as you probably know.
Jan 22 2011 4:51PM
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