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High: The True Tale of American Marijuana

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Moonshine
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http://www.hulu.com/watch/175938/high-the-true-tale-of-american-marijuana

check it
Jan 21 2011 9:59AM
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FREE-WHA
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Damn americans!!
Jan 21 2011 10:02AM
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hanksy
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Is it really any different than the Union and all the other documentaries coming out lately?
Jan 21 2011 10:47AM
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Mr.Fister
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no not really.
the whole legalization movement is picking up big time in North America though.
Jan 21 2011 12:00PM
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General_Ripper
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Do you really want to legalize marijuana? Everythings gona be fucked
Jan 21 2011 12:07PM
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Mr.Fister
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you mean with the less crimes committed over weed and more money to put toward fighting real (non victim-less) crimes? And the money that the gov't could make off of taxing marijuana?
Jan 21 2011 12:11PM
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TheHamburglar
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everythings already fucked
Jan 21 2011 12:24PM
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bryansbryan
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another documentary on weed... real original guys.
Jan 21 2011 12:32PM
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midwestpowhunter
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legalization of marijuana would be the least worst decision. the idea that it will somehow be worse is simply 100 years of demonization being puked up by someone who is uneducated about the subject. Basic economic is all you need to know to realize that the war on drugs is the reason people are killed over weed. If the government didnt make stiff fines and lengthy jail sentences for selling it or growing it, honest hard working law abiding citizens would be involved with distribution. Instead, because the risks are so high the only people willing to be involved in dealing are less savory gang  type people. Also think about supply and demand if you take 1/4 of all the corn out of a market what happens to price? It goes up. What happens when the DEA makes a huge pot bust??? Reduces supply which does what to price again??? The higher the price the more money there is to be made. Drug busts essentially raise the cost of marijuana and destablize the market allowing potentialy worse criminals become involved in the trade. Look at Mexico City right now. If Obama said all drugs are legal affective immediatley gangs would have nothing to fight over domestically or in latin american countries. Just my educated opinion.
Jan 21 2011 1:59PM
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RubberSoul
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hahaha care to back up that ridiculous claim with anything?
Jan 21 2011 2:01PM
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Big_Spence
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i turned it off as soon as that bitch said not to smoke and drive.
Jan 21 2011 2:09PM
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Tortao
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Jan 21 2011 3:14PM
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bermbuster49
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smoking makes my commute an enjoyable part of my day, i love getting in the zone and driving, but i hate all the fucks on the road that should have stayed home! its sad that the high kid is a better driver than 98.9% of the people on the road
Jan 21 2011 5:17PM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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you're a fucking retard, well done
Jan 21 2011 5:22PM
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ski@jaypeak2
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yeah because everyone was fucked when they legalized alcohol after prohibtion.

Isnt that weird that at the same time they outlaw marijuana, alcohol was also outlawed. Yet because wealthy white poeple were still drinking,not being arrested,and crime was on the rise, they ended alcohol prohibtion.

Now wealthy white people are speaking out against marijuana prohibtion and the ball is actually rolling.
Jan 21 2011 6:36PM
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mackcamp
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I, and many other NS'ers, happen to like documentaries about weed :)
Jan 21 2011 8:22PM
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95959
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Guys! I know this is unpopular, but we should really legalize marijuanaz1!! How kewl would that be?!
Jan 21 2011 8:37PM
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Smuffy
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i just debated this in class the other day, but decided to debate against legalization, and it was quite interesting actually. you might not see them often, but there are a lot of legitimate arguments against it.
Jan 21 2011 8:41PM
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LockyK
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everyone on NS is a pothead.
Jan 21 2011 9:13PM
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californiagrown
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if you legalize weed you put a lot of people out of buisness (DEA, cops, DA office, courtrooms etc) as well as killing income for many rural areas (norcal, tennesee, kentucky etc)

similar to alcohol, marijuana has the ability to addict users. THough many people think that you cannot be adddicted to marijuana, i can personally assure you you absolutely can. Why legalize yet another addictive drug.

"Alcohol is legal so weed should be legal" argument is a bad one. Marijuana is not healthy when smoked. flat out straight up, it causes bronchitis, and possibly may cause other issues. just becasue one evil(alcohol) is legalized doesnt mean we should legalize them all.


Decriminalization is the answer i believe.
Jan 21 2011 9:15PM
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henrytargett
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NOOO!!!

This will only boost the black market! People won't be afraid of being caught for Marijuana so the demand will increase and since its not fully legal were still gonna have to buy from drug dealers.

I don't even know why people are trying so hard to legalize it. I don't see the problem with what we have got goin on right now. We get Tax-free product, and where i live (washington) Cops and shit don't even really care.
Jan 21 2011 9:43PM
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DirtyDan
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Ok, you are misinformed. I shall now inform you.

1. It would not put cops or the courts out of business, it would just force them to actually focus on important shit (ie 19 yr old kid with a joint vs. triple homicide or crack dealer)

2. Instead of killing income for farmers, I think it would make a killing for farmers. It would quickly become one of the nation's top cashcrops.

3. Marijuana is not physically addictive at all. Maybe a little mentally addictive, but that can be said for anything. (Videogames, sex, skiing)

4. Alcohol has been responsible for the deaths of millions. Marijuana has been responsible for the death of zero.

5. You're a retard.
Jan 21 2011 9:52PM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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Jan 21 2011 10:04PM
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californiagrown
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1) cops already place a much higher priority on violent crimes, it is not like violent crimes are constantly being reported in every city in america. Cops need something to do when no armed roberries are occurring.

2)lol why do you think the entire region of northern california voted overwelmingly NO! on legalization? it would allow every tom dick and harry to grow, thus lowering prices drastically. oh, and its already californias largest cash crop.

3) You have obviously never experienced addiction before. No, MJ addiction isnt nearly as bad as alcohol or opiates, but chronic insomnia, lack of appetite, and social anxiety are the very real withdrawl symptoms. And it affects a lot more people than you think

4) Why do we regulate the pollution that can be put into the air? becasue it affects air quality. It can cause bronchitis, and inflame asthma attacks. true, it does come down to personal choice, but why would you legalize something that is detrimental to your health?(smoking form only)
Jan 21 2011 10:23PM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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Jan 21 2011 10:25PM
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bryansbryan
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um... i don't know about you but i smoke everyday just about and when i had to visit home, i went without smoking for 8-10 days without a problem. its all mental and if you do have those symptoms, its because there's something a bit more wrong with you and maybe you shouldn't smoke. its not for everyone.
Jan 21 2011 10:35PM
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californiagrown
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you are right it is not for everyone...just like alcohol. if it isnt safe for a significant percentage of the population why have it legalized. Hey there are people who can drink a pint of whiskey a night and not have any withdrawl symptoms. it all depends on the person.

Again, we already have unhealthy substances legalized, why legalize more? I am not saying it should be outlawed, but it shouldnt be made readily available either.

Oh and btw, how long have you been smoking consitently every day. THe people that i know that have problems are the ones, who have smoked between 1-4 grams a day to themselves for a year or more.
Jan 21 2011 10:44PM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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Jan 21 2011 10:50PM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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Jan 21 2011 10:51PM
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bryansbryan
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see this is where we talk about PARENTING, EDUCATION and PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. it doesn't matter if it's legalized or not, if someone wants to get a hold of a drug, they can very fucking easily. at least if its legalized, where the people get it, if they should choose to do so, is from a controlled and regulated place so they don't get something that could be laced or from someone that's insanely sketchy. legalizing marijuana would cut down on the billions spent to stop it, bring in tax dollars, etc. etc. and its proven to be safer than cigarettes. i mean why wouldn't you? and i've been smoking for the past couple months like this going through about a half in a couple of days... because i know how to smoke and still function. just because your friends have no self-control doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. its a stupid point to bring up just as using alcoholics as a reason to ban alcohol. again, its all about, say it with me! PARENTING, EDUCATION and PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. if you can't handle it, don't do it. simple as that.
Jan 21 2011 10:51PM
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bryansbryan
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oh and i'd love to know where you get this fact that marijuana isn't "safe" for a significant percent of the population. never mind, you just made that up. nice going!
Jan 21 2011 10:53PM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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if someone already has mental issues it can make it worse or trigger other shit. /common sense
Jan 21 2011 10:55PM
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bryansbryan
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did you not read the part about education, personal responsibility? or how about the part where i said if you do have issues resulting from smoking weed then you shouldn't smoke it? i guess both if you just posted that.
Jan 21 2011 10:56PM
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californiagrown
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Have you ever heard of addictive personalities?

Just because its safer than cigarettes, doesnt mean it is safe.


By your logic all drugs should be legal, as long as people are parented correctly, educated correctly, and have self control. unfortunatly that perfect storm of qualities rarely materializes in an individual. and we cant govern towards idealistic principles, but we have to deal with reality, and try and protect the public at large.

All i am saying is that yes criminalization is bad, but legalization is not real great either.
Jan 21 2011 11:01PM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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well you just answered your own question then, fucking idiot. you understand what contradiction means? think before you post. derp
Jan 21 2011 11:02PM
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bryansbryan
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1. yes, i have one but i'm not weak enough to let it control me. i've actually cut down drinking into almost no use at all because of it. if you're too weak to do so, then don't do it, you have a choice you moron. its seriously mind blowing how people cannot for the life of them claim responsibility for their own actions.

2. show me something that is safe when you abuse it. hell water is even dangerous if you abuse drinking it. also don't you think that if people got off smoking cigs to weed, that's a good thing? not the best, but a good thing?

3. no no no... by my logic, marijuana could be legal you idiot. where'd i say all drugs should be legal? i'm making a case about marijuana legalization. if you want to keep the topic on course, then do it but don't embarrass yourself by construing what i say into something i'm not in order to keep yourself from comprehending what i'm telling you.

4. govern on idealistic principles? what's so idealistic about giving more funding towards education and parenting your kids right? i'm sorry if that's too idealistic for you to handle.
Jan 21 2011 11:16PM
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bryansbryan
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and here's a perfect case of where parenting and education never came into play... sad.
Jan 21 2011 11:17PM
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THCC
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This thread calls for some thc
Jan 21 2011 11:18PM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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classic response when someones been made to look like an idiot. if i was you i would stop posting for a bit eh...
Jan 21 2011 11:23PM
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californiagrown
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whats idealistic is that people will be able to live up to your lofty expectations. apparently it is pretty easy to educate kids about drugs...how that been turning out for the past 40 years?

The fact is that A LOT of people do not take responsibility for there choices, right or wrong, and that is going to be almost impossible to change. at the risk of sounding preachy, young folks are very idealistic, and they think they can change society, and people. It is almost impossible to affect a large scale change in the mindset of a society.

There is a reason that older folks who are in social services in urban areas are so jaded. they know that people will always be people.


And damn, you have a very rude way of arguing...
Jan 21 2011 11:23PM
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californiagrown
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Lol cause your name is THC





















C...you clever
Jan 21 2011 11:24PM
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japanada
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I watched that doc, and I was let down a bit. Seems like everyone says the same facts in different wording. Most of the stats listed were from 2001 with a few from 2005. Either way, legalization will come soon enough. Cali on voted it down like 46% to 54%.
Jan 21 2011 11:25PM
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bangarangmules
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Hah I never post in these types of threads, and I don't want to get caught up in the argument either way...but since when has a 19 year old with a joint taken precedence over a triple homicide?? Laugh out Loud. That is all.
Jan 21 2011 11:31PM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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you're missing the point/twisting his words. you know what he means, so dont try and make him look like a fucktard
Jan 21 2011 11:34PM
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californiagrown
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you would really be surprised how many people are vehemenatly against it. It with completely destroy rural Norcals economy, and turn it into the kind of wasteland you see in shut down west virginia/pensylvania coal towns. That is literally the only source of income for a lot of people, and if it is legalized the floor will drop on the prices.

Though, with legalization and regulation the methods that are used to grow the stuff outdoors would be monitored so that they dont destroy the environment like they currently do. (ie stealing creek water, using banned fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides and letting it run into the creeks. also the thoasands of gallons of diesel for the generators)
Jan 21 2011 11:36PM
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DirtyDan
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I never said it takes precedence, but it does take time away from the court and clogs up the justice system. Idk about the west coast, but people take MJ crimes way too seriously here. (East Coast)

Also, you (or your parents) are currently paying a lot of your taxes to pay for the jail system to house marijuana "criminals".
Jan 21 2011 11:39PM
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bangarangmules
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Actually I did not twist his words, I was merely pointing out exactly what he said, and how it made him sound stupid. He was exaggerating just to try and make a point. Besides why would I twist his words? I have no opinion on the matter.

Did I miss the point however? I suppose, but I don't care about the point. More just the fact that he has to say things like that to try to prove somebody else wrong.
Jan 21 2011 11:39PM
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bangarangmules
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Thank you, I can see your point now. Continue on. =D
Jan 21 2011 11:40PM
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blatt
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This guy is 100% correct.

There's 2 major types of addictions: mental and physical. physical is the one that we commonly think of and it is basically your body becomes so adapted to the substance, that it tells you that you must always have that high. and if you don't, your body reminds you that you need it via withdrawals. Mental addiction is when you say you want it on a very frequent basis. This is commonly associated with the smallest of things; weed, video games (according to new and recent research), and even skiing can be mentally addicting.

plus, we all know while you got THC in you, you don't remember things and tend to just act plain stupid. And would you really want the entire U.S. to be able to get their hands on weed just as easy as any other government approved substance?

And in my opinion, Marijuana will never be legalized completely, unless majority of whoever is voting smokes. Non-smokers will never support or back a bill saying that we are wanting to legalize marijuana. I think that if it were to be legalized, it would be regulated in a similar manner that we regulate guns (background checks, etc.). And I don't think that legalization will happen for another couple decades because people are simply not open to the idea of it.
Jan 21 2011 11:44PM
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bryansbryan
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haha dude i'm all for legalization but the courts have enough time to deal with petty stuff as well as spend more than enough time on murder cases- some lasting up to months and that isn't because of a lack of time. the same goes for police forces knowing what is more important... i mean they may be douche bags sometime, but if they had other more fulfilling things to do that could lead to better pay and promotions, they'd do it.
Jan 21 2011 11:44PM
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californiagrown
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ya obviously that kid missed your point. but the vast majority of criminals who are being held in prison on a "possession charge" plead down to it from trafficking, or had violent priors.

however i do think that we need to overhaul the penal system, by re-instituting chain gangs, and forcing them to do the migrant aggriculture work that the mexicans currently do. It would kill 2 birds with one stone.


Basically, i want want to feel safe growing 6 plants in my attic and smoking a doobie with a nice cold/hot beer/coffee when i want to. I think that legalization will be more trouble than its worth.
Jan 21 2011 11:46PM
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