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Griffon or P14?

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Hey everyone, help me pick a binding. Due to budget constraints I am limited to the following: Marker Griffons or Look Pivot 14's.

I am 6'2", 210 lbs and a type 3 skier. EC skiing mainly, so no gnarly cliff bombing. Riding all mountain with a rare park lap here and there. Never ridden with a DIN above 8 and haven't had any problems.

Just looking for some input/experiences/suggestions.

Thanks! +K!
Jan 2 2011 10:49PM
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Peter.
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if you've never ridden above an 8 you could just save more money and get px12s
Jan 2 2011 10:51PM
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That makes sense, I didn't even consider that, haha.

When I go to dinsetting.com and put in all my stuff it says I should be riding at a 9.5. How much of DIN boils down to preference? I mean I never have really had any pre-releases with DIN @ 8 or experienced problems.

Anyways, thanks Peter, haha.
Jan 2 2011 11:20PM
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Also, they will be mounted on Icelantic Nomad 181s. That doesn't make any difference, or does it? Sorry, binding noob.
Jan 2 2011 11:23PM
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Bumblesteeze
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At your weight I would go with the p14. Perhaps you don't need a 14 din binding, but the metal will support you better then an all plastic binding like the griffon.
Jan 2 2011 11:30PM
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YourBoyBlue
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P14s fersure if you have the money, your knees will thank you. I have them mounted on Punx (a very light ski) and I don't even notice the weight, and I love the feel of it pivotting for me. They're also supposed to reduce the chances of knee injury by a lot.of kne
Jan 2 2011 11:34PM
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YourBoyBlue
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Messed that up and now a double post...damn iPhone. Anyway, the griffon isn't a bad binding, the pivot is just sturdier and has health benefits. You would be better off with the griffons or px12s if your skis are heavy, though.
Jan 2 2011 11:36PM
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NWPA
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the pivots are a really good binding to let the ski flex, din is mostly about preference and depends what you want to ride on them
Jan 2 2011 11:42PM
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TheButterHashira
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I started riding P14s this season. I don't think I will ever buy a binding that doesn't pivot again.
Jan 2 2011 11:54PM
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blatt
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You're too big for a pair of griffons. I had a pair and I am smaller than you but I still busted them within less than 10 ski days skiing only park
Jan 3 2011 1:30AM
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iffe
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Out of those two, Pivots. I have them and they're good.

Jesters vs. Pivots would be a more fair comparison. I have Jesters too and they're also good.
Jan 3 2011 6:35AM
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hjb
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I think it's best not to fuck around with your DIN and ride with them at the recommended settings, but if you're still releasing at recommended and the forward pressure is set properly, you can always increase the DIN setting if you choose to (A little at a time of course). If you're currently riding with a lower than recommended DIN but are not pre-releasing (and the forward pressure is set right) then there is no reason why you shouldn't leave them like that if you're happy. Although, pre-release can be just as dangerous as not releasing, and just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean that it won't. Long story short, get them adjusted buy a qualified technician and then don't touch them, especially if you're a 'binding noob' as you put it.

I prefer the pivot design over any other binding, and it shouldn't matter what you're going to mount them on, as long as the brakes are wide enough to fit over the ski. If the brakes are slightly too small they can be bent a bit to fit, but again get it done at the shop. Do you know where you want to mount them? If not check out:


Hope that helps
Jan 3 2011 8:04AM
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I am going to mount them at -1cm of Boot Center, its the factory recommended spot from Icelantic and they guys I have talked to from there have said that's what they recommend for all-mountain riding.

Thanks for the help!
Jan 3 2011 8:42AM
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84891jnf92048
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none of it should come down to personal preference. this involves your safety, not whether or not you like prereleasing or not releasing at all.

put your din where the chart says you need it, and adjust if you find out that you dont release when you think you should, or prerelease.
Jan 3 2011 9:20AM
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iffe
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I think you just contradicted yourself.
Jan 3 2011 1:36PM
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84891jnf92048
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thats not personal preference, its where is safe. personal preference is if someone likes a stiff or soft boot, not a din that releases or doesnt.
Jan 3 2011 6:52PM
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skijersey17
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This pretty much sums it up perfectly.  If you release when you want to and stay in your skis wen you should then your din is fine. If you find you are coming out of your bindings to often or they are not coming off when they should they might need some adjusting. Any ski shop should be able to set them for you.

And the griffon's are pretty solid bindings, go for jester's though if you have the money. Marker makes some good stuff.

Jan 4 2011 7:46PM
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