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Will I be limited with Fulltilts?

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DiscoDean
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WARNING: STUPID QUESTION ALERT!

Hey ns, looking to buy a new pair of boots before the season starts this year and am considering full tilts, (i have tried them on and they fit great so fitting isnt an issue). I like the park but also love making precision turns and plain out skiing. My problem is will the increased flexibility take away from  performance factor? I know the fulltilts are great for park due to their flex and comfort but will i be limited in performance, skiing steep runs, and blasting through pow in these boots? or will i not even know the difference? any other recommendations on boots would be great too, Thanks

Oct 16 2010 9:37PM
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.AR6rider.
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I'm pretty sure the parts on Full Tilts are interchangeable, so you could buy a stiffer tongue for days outside the park.  I've never owned FT's, so I could be completely wrong...
Oct 16 2010 9:39PM
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DiscoDean
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ya that is true you can, that actually isnt a bad idea, thanks k+
Oct 16 2010 9:42PM
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Eric.S
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No. You will have the option of changing tongues for varying flexes and you can change the boot board out for different types of skiing. So you will have unlimited options for customizing your boots.
Oct 16 2010 9:42PM
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DiscoDean
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how does a bootboard change your skiing? not to familiar with bootboards
Oct 16 2010 9:44PM
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Heart
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You can buy a plastic footboard for maximum feel, or an "active" rubber one for impact absorption.
Oct 16 2010 9:47PM
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DiscoDean
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hm never thought of that, thanks for the tip!

Oct 16 2010 9:49PM
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Mt_Baker_Man
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The problem with Full tilt boots is not the flexibility, It is the cuff angle. Like the Lange race boots, Fulltilts have way too much forward lean. If I remember correctly, (old) Lange and Fulltilt both have a cuff angle around 18 degrees. For most people, this puts your knees past your toes, so in order to form a proper turn, you have to keep your weight back, and it ruins your dynamic energy return. In my humble opinion, you should look at the Head mojo boots, or some of the Nordica enforcer boots. With less forward lean, you can push farther into your boots, with more return energy, and without "going over."
Oct 16 2010 10:32PM
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Pudge
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but this also has a solution. surprisingly you can change your forward lean. it comes with two different angle inserts that push the cuff forward, you could also remove the insert all together. i have hot doggers and i love them. i love the customizability and just the look. exceptional boot that i would highly recommend
Oct 16 2010 10:41PM
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DiscoDean
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thanks guys! yes im glad you brought up the lean in the boots, that was another thing i wasnt sure about but there is a solution so thanks! Also i think if i do end up getting these boots i will be buying two tongues. Thanks for suggestions!
Oct 16 2010 10:51PM
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Pudge
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but before you buy i would highly recommendd not going with the new FTi shell, such as the 2011 Booter and 2011 High Five. I have nothing against the shell, it is just they do not have as quite customizability as the Classic shell. hope you are satisfied with your purchase!
Oct 16 2010 11:16PM
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DiscoDean
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thanks for the tip, i know exactly what your talking about. I was thinking with going with the hot doggers or the classics
Oct 16 2010 11:37PM
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blatt
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A common misconception is that an ideal park boot must have a soft flex. with full tilts you can interchange but You could also try skiing park with a stiffer tongue. for all you know, you will like it more.
Oct 17 2010 12:31AM
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Mt_Baker_Man
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 105
That only allows the cuff to fall back to a more upright position. There are no rivets or connections helping it to stay there. Just the force of the tongue. IMHO the Nordica Ace of Spades does a better job of the tongue boot design. Cuz they start with less forward lean.
Oct 17 2010 3:39AM
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onenerdykid
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Not sure I follow why 18 degrees of forward lean requires you to keep "your weight back". Remember that FTs were once world cup race boots, very capable of making a proper turn.
Oct 17 2010 9:48AM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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This isn't really relevant to the thread but I hate boots that have a lot of forward lean. 
Oct 17 2010 9:58AM
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Blurst
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I would definitely stay away from these shells. I work in a shop and we have been having some ridiculous issues with these.

I would recommend looking at something like the dalbello rampage. Really good boot for both the park and outside of it and it has the same toe box width as the hot dogger and classic.
Oct 17 2010 10:02AM
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Mt_Baker_Man
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 105
and its good to use things that are old right? Better not improve something that worked fine for gramps!
Oct 18 2010 12:28PM
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PaleCelery
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Yes. You cant ski black diamonds with them. Not allowed.

Cops will come and shoot you on the spot
Oct 18 2010 12:31PM
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onenerdykid
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I won't say their they are the best boot in the world, but I will correct someone when based on facts.
Oct 18 2010 12:38PM
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Mt_Baker_Man
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Well your facts are outdated. The current Lange world cup line, the current Head world cup line, and most others, are now within the 12-15 degree range. AND stiff as balls. And since the world cup race is what you were referencing, you should at least look at modern world cup boots.

The original question "will I be limited with fulltils"

Could probably be a yes. I would love to buy a pair of FullTilts, but I am not going to till they are more upright.
Oct 18 2010 1:23PM
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Goku
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Nordica Ace of Spades. thats the boot for you
Oct 18 2010 1:37PM
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onenerdykid
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I do think I know what I am talking about when it comes to world cup race boots- I design them. And my good friend designed the Lange, which is 12 degrees without a spoiler and 14/15 with. Dobermann is 16 without a spoiler, 18 with. Head and Salomon are about the same too.

World Cup racers are pretty split on making boots more upright or keeping things at 16-18 degrees. Our international team almost universally likes 18, because with any less it's hard to manage the rebound "push back" that the skis produce.

For myself, I do like a boot with slightly less forward lean than World Cup so I am with you there. When you remove the chip from the FT's cuff, you do make the boot decently more upright.
Oct 18 2010 1:46PM
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Billek
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Haha, you're the man.  What an excellent rebuttal. 

I read your post, and died when I read your name.


As for people saying he will be limited... think about what you're saying.  The first section of this thread was composed of kids naming off the solutions to the problems that the OP presented.  It seems FT has thought of everything when it comes to making a boot suit your style, while not over-complicating things and pushing cheap gimmicks.
Oct 18 2010 2:29PM
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Mt_Baker_Man
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 105
Oh, side question. What is different about the new shell design, I think in the Booter and the other one?
Oct 18 2010 4:17PM
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p.hawks
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new shells are wider, the call them FTi i think. I have heard of people having problems with the das booter, i think something about the buckle popping off when the others were buckled and it was flexed
Oct 18 2010 5:13PM
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Mt_Baker_Man
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 105
no good. Sounds like it would work better for the sausages I call feet though.
Oct 18 2010 5:39PM
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