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Candide is too good for rocker

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JDon
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Watched Candide Kamera again and he does everything on his Candide Pows which have regular camber. I can't think of anyone else who kills powder like he does without rockered skis these days. Everyone says rocker changed the way they skied, what's Candide going to pull in powder once he gets on rockered skis?
Sep 23 2010 6:13PM
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Download-My-Apps
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totally depends on the terrain. Like in a steep gnarly bowl I wouldn't want a rocker.

Pillows and trees hell ya I would
Sep 23 2010 6:15PM
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PhilboydStudge
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This, if you're trying to ski chutes and such, you definitely wouldn't want rocker.
Sep 23 2010 6:19PM
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Austin69
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very untrue. Have you ever seen a pro ski in alaska? just about every pro skis incredibly steep and challenging terrain with rockered skis. Just look at sage and seth
Sep 23 2010 6:32PM
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TBarnes
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Candide cork 7'd chads gap on park skis when he was like 16. he's the best ever no doubt.
Sep 23 2010 6:39PM
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TijmenDal
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Candide is god! Probably one of the skiers I have the most respect for!
Sep 23 2010 6:41PM
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Blurst
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It depends on what rockerd ski you are talking about.

For example: Hellbent - Extremely rockerd, very soft, not great for charging.

Shogun - Not as rockered, stiffer better for charging.

Both skis have rocker though.
Sep 23 2010 6:55PM
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japollner
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This.

It's all becoming a matter of tip vs. tail rocker.

Salomon has it dialed with their rockers. You can ski a big line with tip rocker, and tons of it. But to stand up on your skis and keep them from super unstable, you need to have length, and even in pow, a ski with lots of tail rocker feels fidgity. K2 has some form of it on the new Seths, which have the Hellbent rocker in the tip, and the rocker from last years tail carried over. Granted, the new Seth isn't that great, and would benefit greatly from a stiffer overall flex. Otherwise the new rocker and shape is awesome. It's just too soft.

Think of a non or slightly rockered tail as a rudder. You want to have something behind you to keep things lined up when you are cruising.
Sep 23 2010 7:08PM
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MikeWeinerONE
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Rocker allows you to be much more forward on your skis on steep terrain. This gives you a lot more control. Progressive Tail also allows you to wash speed at the bottom of a chute if need be, by releasing your tails. Rocker changed the game for sure, I'm surprised that Candide isn't riding a Rockered ski yet.
Sep 23 2010 7:09PM
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Download-My-Apps
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I guess it depends on like what you consider a rocker, I was referring to more of a EP Pro Hellbent type ski.
Sep 23 2010 7:15PM
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japollner
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IE, Reverse Camber...

Rocker is isolated to tip and tail. You cant just say rocker, because there are 2 distinct sections of rockerable space on a ski. Tip and tail.

A ski like the Hellbent, chopstick, and EP have both tip and tail rocker. The Salomon Rocker and Shogun has just tip rocker and a cambered tail.


Sep 23 2010 7:20PM
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Alex_G
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thats so fucked up
Sep 23 2010 7:22PM
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Download-My-Apps
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people were just tougher then. Probably walked to school and home uphill both ways
Sep 23 2010 7:24PM
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Rolfe
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and in two feet of snow or rain
Sep 23 2010 7:27PM
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BlackcountryBill
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This brought a big smile to my face. +k
Sep 23 2010 7:29PM
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RubberSoul
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that's scary, that's almost exactly what i was gonna say, except instead of "he's the best ever no doubt" i was gonna say "he just doesnt give a fuck"
Sep 23 2010 7:30PM
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Download-My-Apps
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IN Candide's case I think it was 2 feet of melting lava.  crazy french
Sep 23 2010 7:30PM
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FreeskierBh
Posts: 188 - Karma: 184
Its all preference I have a pair of JJ's I love to ski in the deep stuff trees and what not. but as an all around ski my 07 volkl gotamas are excellent and I would much rather ski steeps and drop big hits with them

oh and as for all pros skiing rockered ski in AK and what not. Companies PAY them to ski those skis so we buy them!
Sep 23 2010 7:34PM
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LivinOuttaBounZ
Posts: 949 - Karma: 382

Haha, you're so knowledgeable!

BTW...Your mom should have swallowed you!

Sep 24 2010 12:47AM
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LIL_WAT
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D Spin 7'd , at 17 . The dude is nuts
Sep 24 2010 5:02AM
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Bhblaine
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that was extremely harsh... however i did laugh quite hard
Sep 24 2010 11:15AM
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snomaster
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Really???? Is that how it is? why don't you ask the guy in your icon pic about this? for some reason I think rocker ski testing debuted in AK. it was something select dedicated athletes had to lobby ski manufacturers over many years to make happen.

How many of you kids ski big mountain lines with rocker/taper/5 dim? Once in a while, I do. Let me recall the moment I was turned onto 5dim thing: just finished skiing 3k vert huge pow line with my brother in 2008. I was pretty winded because we skinned up 4k to get that. I had to slow up for a moment before I got to the bottom. Then my bro comes down laughing, legs still fresh, claiming how easy turn initiation was. He was on the ARG; I was on Line Prophet 100. Bastard. I've never looked back. The ON3P C&D is my stick of choice now, especially for any huge lines.

I'm surprised that Candide has taken so long to make the jump. But he is superhuman anyhow. It's not like we can't ski pow/big mountains without rocker. It's just way easier and more plush in many people's opinions.
Sep 24 2010 11:37AM
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[~_~]
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It's because when you're hauling balls down rocky Euro lines, a rockered ski is the last thing you want.
Sep 24 2010 2:52PM
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omIV
Posts: 1950 - Karma: 306
This. There is no substitute for precision. This is why I don't really like rockered park skis. But then again I'm apparently a cocky racer.
Sep 24 2010 3:14PM
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crawley
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I can't believe that no one has pointed out that Candide won the FWT on the Permin Pros which are rockered.  I have a pair and they are beyond sick.

He is hands down the best skier ever regardless, he'd kill it on a 2x4.
Sep 24 2010 3:52PM
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five0
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For preference's sake, who cares.
Sep 24 2010 3:55PM
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crawley
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What does "For preference's sake, who cares."  even mean?

I still greatly prefer cambered skis for any day there is less than 5" of fresh or unless it is over 35 degrees. 

You just can't go that fast without feeling that tip chatter on hard snow with rockered skis (I've skied alphas, jjs, permins and they all have that problem on cold hard pack).  In alot of Candide Kamera he is flying down an inrun that he has hard packed, and having camber is a major bonus there.
Sep 24 2010 4:17PM
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crawley
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Hey five0, check out the tshirts that we have at tantrumdesigns.com, matches your Icon pretty damn well. (this is not spam, seriously though, look at his icon and then look at our shirts)
Sep 24 2010 4:20PM
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Oreos
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it means who cares about others' preferences. if you like rocker ok, if you don't ok.
Sep 24 2010 4:28PM
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five0
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I'm just sick of these threads at the moment.  And yeah Oreo's got it.  Instead of milk, I might give +k. 

And those t's are pretty sweet, especially for a speaker company?  I would rock that without even knowing what you guys.  I can appreciate a good 1984 reference.
Sep 24 2010 5:36PM
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DAPSKI
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ya was gonna say thought i saw him on some permins at least at one world tour stop if not more.
Sep 24 2010 6:46PM
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f.ray
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theres a couple of shots whit some whit skis, these are Richard Permin pro model prototype and they are reversed camber. sorry
Sep 24 2010 6:46PM
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snowboardings_7
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shut it noob candides a rook
Sep 24 2010 6:48PM
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dan4060
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You do realize that the pros were the ones who drove the rocker revolution.  Rocker spread from the pros to us, not the other way around.

I ski 4frnt EHP 186's on big days.  They have some rocker, and I love them in steep chutes.  Some rocker in the tip and tail is nice, because you don't hook up as much when making tight turns in steep chutes.  I would not necessarily want a completely reverse camber ski in those conditions though.


Sep 24 2010 6:56PM
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dom_uk
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He skied the whole Freeride Tour on the Richard Permin model, im pretty sure the skis he will have been on for most of his filming will have been these when the snow permitted even if the top sheets were of his own pro model for marketing purposes on occasion.
Oct 2 2010 9:49PM
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crawley
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^ are you kidding? Candide doesn't even bother showing his skis after he wins everything in sight. At the podium for FWT he brought some ancient wooden straight skis instead of the pows. He does it for the love, not to sell more skis. The idea that he is playing some backdoor branding games to move some product is absurd and retarded. Plus if you've ever seen CK2 then you can clearly see he is riding the cambered pows most of the time when he's hitting the packed in run booters. Which makes since since rocker sucks on a packed in run.
Oct 2 2010 10:07PM
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FUUUCK
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he rode permin pros in la clussaz for the freeski world tour. but yeah his riding style is just so precise he doesn't need rocker.
Oct 2 2010 10:32PM
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TheClap.
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hes kbd
Oct 2 2010 10:45PM
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t_rob
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can you prove this? They may look like candide pows but are they actually the standard issue. I can think of a few pros whos skis look like production but the specs are nowhere close.
Oct 2 2010 11:18PM
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crawley
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Well you can see him riding them in candide kamera 2 and you can clearly see the profile of the skis several times. Plus, when he rides the Permins he isn't at all shy about displaying the Permin top sheet.
Oct 2 2010 11:40PM
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abc8tr8we98g
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Candide could double cork 10 off a backcountry kicker in 3 feet of fresh pow with old school 210cm k2 extremes...it doesnt matter what is strapped to his feet, he will make magical things happen
Oct 3 2010 3:20AM
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PhilboydStudge
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You're really cool. Why would you want to have rockered skis, with a much smaller turning radius, when you're in a narrow chute with rocks on either side? Sounds awesome, I'll pass.
Oct 3 2010 3:28AM
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Literature
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Topsheets are in no way a guarantee of the construction of a ski. Considering the amount of time pros spent prototyping new equipment, it's silly to ever call what a pro's ski is just by the graphics.
Oct 3 2010 3:52AM
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californiagrown
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ummm because a smaller turning radius= you can carve a smaller turn???

which is normally helpful in tight spaces?  Also, they won't hook when you make jump turns/pole plant turns.


But I mean hey if you want to use XXL's in tight chutes then hey go ahead...

but i'll pass haha
Oct 3 2010 3:33PM
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PhilboydStudge
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Haha sorry, i was a little messed up last night... I meant effective edge. A little bit of rocker would be fine, but I would rather have non rockered, cambered skis in a chute than something like hellbents.
Oct 3 2010 3:36PM
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dan4060
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Hellbents, yeah, I would not want those.  What I would want would be something with tip and tail rocker, but flat or traditional camber underfoot.  I prefer skiing my 186 EHP's in rocky chutes to 189 Seth Pistols, because the rocker in the EHP's means they won't hook up quite as much.  I also prefer a straighter sidecut in those conditions.

People were RIPPING before rocker.  It has not changed the game as much as fat skis did.  What rocker allows is powerslides on spines that previously could not be done.  Watch Sage nail hotel room in the first scene in Under The Influence.  He makes some hop turns on the spine, but also does long slashes.  The ability to slash has opened things up in that terrain.  It has helped in other ways too. 

Seth Morrison destroyed things in Ski Movie 3.  Kent Kreitler in The Prophecy.  Shane McConkey inSki Movie 1 and 1999 and Global Storming.  Guys were killing it before rocker, but it has opened some things up.
Oct 3 2010 4:21PM
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