Reason to support arizona's immigration laws? here's one.

I love mexicans they are so nice and friendly and have good food whats not to love

wasn't the city of juarez mexico determined to be more dangerous than baghdad by a long way due to the various drug wars going on all the time? That is a clear indication that something is messed up, and it's particularly worrying when you realize how close to the US all this is occurring.

I support mexican meth fuck the immigration laws

It's not the mexicans you need to worry about..

>implying immigration laws aren't simply putting a band-aid over the problem. The US is funding all the drug crime in Mexico... if they legalized most drugs there would be no drug war...

Holy fuck, you're an idiot.

I saw on CBC the national, one republican representative from Texas claimed that Mexicans are collaborating with Al Quida. Their plan is to bring Mexican women over to the US to deliver a baby to obtain US citizenship so the babies can be trained on US soil.

Who are electing these idiots???

no, the texans.

Someone I know's friend moved away from Mexico because they saw decapitated heads on the playground next to their house. They were drug war victims. Shits scary, and real sad. The government is so corrupt that the people needing law enforcement don't receive it. Only the "average Joe's" do. Its a sick world out there kiddies.

wow i agree with you. what is this??? haha

Because I can read all that...

The problem with the Arizona law and current immigration law is that there is no entry path for citizens of certain countries. Basically if you live in Mexico, you can't get in. U.K., you're fine. France, sure. Venezuela, nope. There is literally a blacklist of countries whose citizens may not emigrate to the US. If we were founded as a nation of immigrants, isn't that our legacy? To be open to people of all oppressed nations, such as the people of the drug war-enslaved nation of Mexico?

Sure, basically. But is that relevant?

Its relevant because nobody follows those values. Sure America was founded by immagrants, but most politicians do not want to have immagrants coming into the country because they fear it will increase violence, which unfortunately can be very true. Its based on christian values that we dont follow.

America is still very much a Christian country, unfortunately. It's basically a prerequisite for being elected President. Not that I agree with that. But it's true. Regarding immigration, I still feel like it's ridiculous to "blacklist" certain countries and allow certain types of immigration from other countries. It's a lot easier and faster for someone from the U.K. to gain access to the U.S. than for someone from Mexico to gain access to the U.S.

it's not true. there is no such thing as blacklisting countries. there are countries that are easier to get residency than there are others but its for reasons. reasons such as a country ridden with fucking violence and corruption. i don't see how this is a shocker to anyone.

If America were to simply legalize and control the distribution of quality drugs.....

hat do you call a mexican baptism?

 

i wonder why the US didnt invade mexico a long time ago...

maybe, its because they dont have any.... [next person completes]

term oil?

clap clap clap clap

its like in that family guy episode, stewie and brian somehow end up in nazi germany and need uranium to get back. they talk about how the US didnt invade germany (1939) already, than both turn their heads, look into the camera and brian says "because they dont have any oil?"...

seriously laughed my ass off there

this. There is a ridiculously large movement from politicians in mexico to legalize all drugs there to end the drug war. and we are funding drug crime in mexico.

Also, the immigration law doesn't stop for people coming over, it just allows for abuses in police's power.

A huge anti immigration buddy of mine sent me an interesting email the other day about deporting mexican illegals. Look up Operation Wetback if your not already familiar with it. It wasn't even the only time the US has done it.

says the guy that lives in ohio.


I really hope my state makes a similar law to arizona.

I want all of the illegals out now.

if you did mean oil you are fucking stupid... Ever heard of POMEX

While is it true that we do fund Mexican drug cartels because our laws make their product more valuable here which in turn makes them more money. That's why when you take a pound of weed from Canada and walk it over the border, it's suddenly worth 2 lbs. And it is also true that our country was founded by immigrants, that doesn't mean that our country is a place for ANYONE ANYWHERE to come live. At a certain point, the rights of the Americans already here are being infringed upon. Weeks before the Arizona law was introduced, a older man with a ranch near the border was shot dead by illegals. Apparently he was only going to see if the people he saw needed water or something, that may or may not be true but he was shot dead on his OWN property in the United States of America. And this isn't the first time things like this have happened. You may think it's a conspiracy theory but I think the sneaky "left" wants more illegals in the country because they are almost sure to vote Democrat because theyre most likely poor and just wanna suck on the government tit, and the Democrats are more than happy to accomodate that as long as they get votes. Remember when the Democrats wanted to give the 15 million or so illegals in the country driver's licenses?

Time to go broken record again.



This is just one of the billion reasons we need to stop our fucking drug war, and stop pushing other countries into their own. Making drugs illegal creates a sweet place for them in the market. Gangs make a shit ton of money to fuel their efforts. Not saying some of the countries that produce a shit ton of stuff wouldn't be really wild still, but the drug war has obviously failed. at least in the U.S. we can stop throwing people in jail to fill all the cell, and not have room for the people who belong there, stop spending 50 billion a year that we don't have, curb the gang problem.

Drug war is a joke

also mexicans don't have car insurance

Personally.. I just find something completely and utterly NAZI about some dude asking people "let me see your papers"

Seriously. Have any of you guys ever seen a movie about nazis that didnt include the "Your papers sir?" line or something similar? It is to the nazis like what "I get no respect" is to Rodney Dangerfield...

For all the crackhead tea party "obama is a hitler-nazi" idiots out there who support this law, they sure are being hypocritical...




Just sayin.

Who else loves Mexicans???

I do.

Hot women. Great food. Healthy gene pools.


However, the men suffer from this mexican macho attitude sometimes which downright pisses me off.

...that was in Spanish. Which I cannot read.

That's because you're white. They automatically assume you're a customer because most of their customers are rich white folks... Unless you're wearing a DEA jacket, or are impeding their shit, you're not getting in any trouble.

PLUS, if you're in TJ, they know full well to stay away from there for the most part...  That's where there are massive checkpoints and shit. They sneak shit across and do all their operations in the random ass deserts out by new mexico mostly... nowhere near TJ.

Meanwhile, Mexican citizens are getting totally screwed by the whole thing... drug cartels are going OFF on each other and it's catching innocent bystanders in the crossfire... Shit's getting real bad and with how corrupt the mexican government is, as well as how corrupt the police force is, not much is there to truely stop them.

Yeah I'm sure its horrible for Mexicans but the point here is that its affecting Americans and threatening our safety right? I just don't see it, maybe things are different in Arizona. Mexican gangs can kill all the DEA agents they want as far as I'm concerned, I've never been anything but harassed by those guys. Fuck the DEA.

a reason to support the immigration is because immigrants SUCK especcially mexicans

I hear that. I referee a mexican soccer league and it's filled with the mexican macho douche bags.
Gimme a taco anyday of the week

haha hot women, until they turn 17 and balloon

or get pregnant like half of mexican women do before they're 20

good news is they put out!

that and the law isn't really that bad, a lot of people don't know what the real law is. alot of people think cops can just stop people when ever they want and check and they can't do that.

Alright. You're misinformed on the whole issue here.

The biggest issue that I see with illegal immigration is really not the taking of jobs, or mexicans coming across the border without much flak, but it's that hard ass drugs are making it over the border to stationed mexican drug cartel safe spots, where they then distribute it, get money for it, buy guns, and then send said money AND guns, back to the mexican drug cartels down south, which then causes a massive war, and for the US economy to lose a shitload of money to a few fucked up creepos in the drug trade...

The things we must do to stop this are

A: legalize at least some of the drugs up here.
Marijuana for example, which is a MASSIVE part of the drug trade... Bigger than just about any other drug, because it's so simple to grow, harvest, and distribute. Not to mention, penalties for possession of marijuana pale in comparison to those of harder narcotics... so it's less of a risk as well.

I personally say, lets legalize the shit out of marijuana to see what kinda hit it puts on the trade down there... not to mention, by taxing it and regulating it, here, we will be able to put that money that would otherwise go down south and go towards funding guns and death and destruction and shit, and would instead go back into our own economy and keep that money in the USA.

Not to mention, it would create a whole new tourist thing.. Look at how many people go to the Netherlands just to try out some dankity dank? Then, look at how many people go to visit wineries in Napa, or Oregon, Washington, and New York state wineries... just to try out wine... Think of how much tourist money could be potentially made from THAT industry popping up... think about it... wineries + marijuana = pot tasting? Fuck yeah... and seeing as i'm not the only one here who would think that's fuckin awesome, i'm sure that it would create a whole new way to make money, and keep that money within the US economy.

Anyways... sorry. got off on my LEGALIZE IT speach... but it has some serious merit here.

B: Make long term visas more obtainable.
As it is, most illegal immigrants come in by getting a short term visit visa... like a 90 day visa... and then instead of going back after that 90 days is up, they just stay.

Instead of making it near impossible to get a work visa, and ALLOWING illegal immigration to just happen... we should reform the work visa system... and make things more obtainable for people to work. This way, we can regulate the people that actually come here to WORK, and can weed out the people who just come here to SMUGGLE DRUGS...

We should just make it easier to obtain such a visa, but then, make it so people with such a visa have to check in much more often than they do now and let the government know where they are, and who they are working for. This can be done by making it easier for companies to hire non-citizens, for as of right now, you need to have some some serious qualifications to do so, and make yourself more than worth hiring, because companies have to go through tons of paperwork, and shell out something like 10 grand in order to hire a non-american. We need to make it easier for companies to hire immigrants, but ALSO give major priority to americans still... we dont want to lose any high end jobs to people from elsewhere. However, when it comes to small agriculture picking jobs? I think that it should be easier to hire such people for those positions, and then regulate, and tax them. They will still send money down to mexico, but at least keep some of it here in America.

This will allow us to know 1: who is here to work 2: who is here to fuck shit up/sell hard drugs 3: who is most deserving of obtaining citizenship when they get to that point.

and finally C: Bolstering our border defenses, and reorganizing the Drug REGULATION Agency (as it should be renamed, now that we don't enforce drugs, as much as we regulate them, thanks to section A above...)
By making petty drugs like Marijuana legalized, and maybe some other ones such as molly, or shrooms as well... it will give the border patrol and the DRA (hehe) more time to focus on stopping the mexican drug trade, as well as domestic drug trade IE: busting up crystal meth facilities and taking down the heroine trade rather than busting the kid on the corner pushing trees. This will keep money here in the USA, and away from mexican drug cartels. AND, by legalizing weed and molly and shrooms and whatever, we can do a better job of WARNING people of the risks of these drugs, and also, be able to monitor and place addicts into rehab a lot easier when necessary, because they'd actually have to go to a REHAB FACILITY to get such drugs in the first place.

It sounds kinda wacky, but if all the kinks are worked out, it might just work to at least educate people of the effects of these drugs, and what they can do to you, rather than allowing some heroine dealer on the street to convince you that 'this shit will make you feel GOOD" and send his money he made off you to buy more drugs from the mexican drug creeps..

Make it like you're going to driving school... You know how you had to sit in on those red asphalt videos and see the effects of drinking and driving and it scared the fuck out of you? Just show episodes of intervention or something like that, and have addicts tell other addicts stories about how they 'sucked dick for coke' and i'm sure it will scare newbies away REAL quick. Turn into NA or AA... make it easier for addicts to get help, and easier to scare the fuck out of some 19 year old college student who thinks that maybe it would be fun to do cocaine all of a sudden...




I don't know... that's just how I see it all... drug enforcement and border enforcement are one in the same... because the people that screw stuff up here, are the same people that screw stuff up down there...

It's not the guy picking your bell peppers in Fresno, Ca you have to worry about... It's the guy in bumfuck Arizona who's running a meth shed, and is being supplied guns and stuff for protection from his mexican drug bosses that you gotta look out for... and that's my point in the matter.

there should be a longest self-written post award in the ns awards, cause i think you might win

hahahaha thats a new one i havent heard

And this is just plain fucked up. You'd rather have Mexican drug cartels who basically are leeches on the american economy (which includes the economies of actual americans growing weed and developing drugs you know) to kill american law enforcement trying to stop them?

You're just pissed off because they bust up marijuana trade that's legal here in california... If we NATIONALLY legalize that shit, or at least stop them from coming into my state, or any other state where Marijuana is medically legal, or just plain legalized, then I automatically become a huge supporter of the DEA.



The problem is... cops and enforcement agents of all sorts always go after the 'easy kill'. IE: the kid on the corner selling drugs, instead of the guy who supplied it to them. They need to grow some balls IMO and get out there and fuck shit up. That's why you have guns and rocket launchers and shit. Duh. Go COD on their criminal asses...

What if i told you i want to be in the DEA when i grow up...Haha

Nah. I just got on a roll...

I've seen way longer though in a few political threads...

Its a HUGE problem. if they pick up the kid on the corner, he or his mommy is gonna pay all his fees. court gets the cash. No time spent on it.

The amount of kids (including me) getting put on probation and paying all there shit blah blah blah exceeds 10 fold the amount of people getting put in jail for distributing meth and other types of narcotics. In my area at least.

look at it like this, someone tells you they will give you $50 for every puppy you kill or a punch in the face for every lion you kill.


Government is based on money and popularity. We are still at war and all cnn can talk about is how obama is backing a mosque.

Politics make me sick to my stomache

Because all Mexicans are drug dealers, right Skiierman?

Politics dont make you sick to your stomach... the weird ass media of today makes you sick to your stomach.


SO much irrelevant bullshit causes an uproar these days...

not to be a hater but i dont like mexicans coming in my yard and trying to sell me shit.

Nothing bothers me about somebody going and trying to make some money soliciting. It can be annoying but it's not that bad.. You forget about it pretty quickly unless it's a chronic problem.


It's the wackos that go door to door trying to sell their religion to me.. THAT drives me nuts...