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Deadbolt 12/15 or Marker Griffon

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rep_your_hood
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Im wondering which of these bindings I should purchase to mount on my Line Chronics. I weigh 155 lbs and ski about 90% park. Suggestions?
May 26 2010 8:44PM
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Kangbang
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dont even think about griffon's. get deadbolts.
May 26 2010 8:55PM
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manny.ester
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this. deadbolts are solid they are essentially the same bindings as tyrolia peak 15s and head mojo 15s, great bindings and good price!
May 26 2010 10:42PM
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Kangbang
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or get fks 140 or fks 180
May 26 2010 10:44PM
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ajbski
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Deadbolts
unless you have enouh money for marker schizo which are just holy shit
but other wise deadbolt 185
May 26 2010 10:54PM
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brenker
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DEADBOLT.
May 26 2010 11:49PM
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Kangbang
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no marker schizo's are horrible. i saw a kid rip out his heel piece because he crashed on a 270 out from a 1 foot high pvc pipe
May 27 2010 12:03AM
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CrustyMudButt
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px 10
May 27 2010 12:09AM
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Kangbang
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deadbolts are way better than px 10's
May 27 2010 12:11AM
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Style+eeze
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deadbolt
May 27 2010 12:57AM
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ajbski
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if he ripped out the heel peice,
thats the skis fault ( bad wet wood core), not the binding
the schizo is awesome
May 27 2010 7:14AM
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leahey
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No, the Schizo is fragile because it has a lot of parts, which was supposed to make it better, and if you are doing any kind of rails or jumps it could break pretty easily.
May 27 2010 7:42AM
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Legoman
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Are Peak/Mojo 12s any good. There available super cheap, obviously the 15s are way better but is there that much difference?
May 27 2010 10:02AM
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Kangbang
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no i talked to the id and he told me he only had they ski for a few days.
May 27 2010 10:18AM
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I_Am_Mod
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ripping out a heelpiece doesn't sound like a failing binding, but more like a failing shoptech who drilled the holes wrong or overtightened, etc....

but that besides, i also heard bad things about the schizo.... concept is nice, but more parts = more parts that can fail....

and deadbolts are bomber bindings! so i suggest you get them....
May 27 2010 11:37AM
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PC.
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Peak 12s are really good bindings. Especially for park. You couldn't go wrong with choosing those. I've ridden Salomons, Looks, Rossis, Tyrolias, and the Tyrolia Peak 15s were definitely my favorite.

May 27 2010 2:26PM
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Legoman
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Yeah i know the 15s are solid but the 12s are different.

The 12s have LD (Light Diagonal) Heel and Toe and the 15s have "Race" Diagonal.

What does this mean though, does anyone have experience with both pairs, Im guessing the 15s have greater retention?
May 28 2010 6:36AM
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rep_your_hood
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does anyone know the answer to this question? also, are the 15s going to be more durable then the 12s b/c theyre a higher priced bindings
Aug 22 2010 11:55AM
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Balto
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there will never be a "good" 12 din binding, it just can't happen with the din range and materials. now you can find a 12 din that is better then others

px12>griffon
deadbolt12s>griffon
fks120>griffon
vist412>griffon

rule of thumb, dont buy griffons. if you can find a pair of fks120s in BST, get those, if not, there really wont be a huge difference between the other 12 dins on the market(just dont get z12s for the love of god). If you dont ride hard enough to warrant a 15din binding, you wont notice the binding differences. If you ride at 9 or 10, GET A 14/15 DIN BINDING, it will last you longer and will in most cases have less issues.
Aug 22 2010 12:26PM
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Balto
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oh and when people say "oh this binding rips out to much", thats the tech's fault. wood, while strong, isn't all that reliable, thats why alot of techs use wood glue and metal shavings in the holes when mounting, to further increase the hold of the screw. If the tech just pop the screw in and calls it a day, what do you think is going to happen?
Aug 22 2010 12:29PM
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rep_your_hood
Posts: 533 - Karma: 13
yeah ik what youre saying. i ride at like an 8 din and am a pretty aggressive skier so i think ill get the mojo 15s b/c theyre better quality then the 12s
Aug 22 2010 3:56PM
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Ducky.
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I love my Salomon STH12, and love them

Just wondering, whats wrong with Griffons?
Aug 22 2010 4:02PM
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rep_your_hood
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wait... do you love them? haha

i think griffons are pretty cheaply made out of a lot of plastic and arent too durable
Aug 22 2010 4:06PM
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Jimmy.
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people on here exaggerate how bad they are. i had them on my skis last year, and they held up fine. some people aren't as lucky but you could argue that about any binding.
Aug 22 2010 6:22PM
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JeremyH
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dude i have shizos and they are a good binding just wouldn't recommend for any serious park skiier because they are fragile. I had them for a day and ripped out the toe piece on a light fall. what happened to this guy with the heel peice is i doubt he ripped it out of the ski but more likely did what i did and ripped the piece off of the track the the shizos are on that allow them to move front and back.
Mar 13 2011 10:15PM
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ohmygod_basedgod
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Griffons are good bindings. They hold up fine and are light
Mar 14 2011 1:18AM
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CDdesign
Posts: 1015 - Karma: 92
just got some 15's, they are awesome, they are NOT the same as a mojo/peak 15, they are the body of the mojo 18X (full metal heel) with a 15 din spring, probibly some of the beefyest bindings i have ever seen!
Mar 14 2011 1:01PM
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JakobS
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Hey asshole, you don't know shit!
Glue is used to prevent water from entering the skis, and nothing else, and that is something that all tech's are using, it won't help shit if the binding is under stress enough to rip out the binding. And you never use metal shavings, you use steel wool, and that is only if you have a hole that is stripped, but that won't help shit in most cases. When a binding rip out it's because of the core in the ski is to soft. Some bindings work better on soft core's and some not so good, all depending on the screw pattern.

Get your shit together!
Mar 14 2011 1:38PM
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CDdesign
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^^^this is true^^^, i have seen bindings rip out cuz the wrong drill bit was used. often a 4.1 instead of 3.5 or 3.6 on a ski with no metal in it, or the hole was not tapped correctly.  that would be the only reason to blame a tech

Mar 14 2011 1:51PM
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CDdesign
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cancel my previous comment about the dead bolt not being a mojo 15, i was comparing it to my older 15 with the pivoting heel, it aprears the newer mojo 15's have the full metal heel... MY MISTAKE
Mar 14 2011 1:56PM
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