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Spinning stance, wide?

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Kogu
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Hey all, I got a pretty newbie question to suit my newbie-ness. I just started skiing park 2 weeks ago and can do some rails and boxes, spin 180 just about anywhere, and can butter a 360. But when I tried to spin a 360 off a jump in the park, I would spin til about 300. I haven't been back to try again much, though I did realize you're supposed to spin your skis midair at about 180 aerial. Anyway, so when I watch all these people throwing their 3s I always see them widen their stance before they pop, but when I tried that it didn't make me spin as fast. I'm guessing its all about centrifical (spelling?) Force and stuff but I didn't feel it help me at all.. someone said to maybe try popping off an edge? Idk but any help would be so greatly appreciated! I got pretty far I felt in the little time I tried park and now I hit a problem >.< Thanks again for the help!
Apr 5 2010 6:17PM
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Malcolm
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it might be that you arent spotting your landing
Apr 5 2010 6:24PM
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garret.
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bring your head around that sould work
Apr 5 2010 6:25PM
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ReetsAdeets
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You're probably tensing up in the air because it feels awkward to you, which makes you not complete the rotation and most likely land off balance. Go up to the jump with your weight centered on the skis, stance a little bit wider than you're shoulders, wind up a little with your arms, and pop off the lip. Once you're in the air, throw you're arms around to start you're rotation, look over your shoulder in the direction that you're spinning, and keep looking to spot your landing. With the arms, you're not trying to just throw them as hard as you can, but rather throw them just a bit harder than you throw a 180. The less you use your arms the better, because you can them free them up for grabs. Just do it until you feel natural spinning. Think of it as a fast 180, then another 180 added onto it.
Apr 5 2010 6:25PM
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Kogu
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Ah. Yknow I actually missed the part where you're supposed to spin your arms only once you're in the air, I was spinning them at the top of the lip right before I left the snow. Also, its true that I dont look over my shoulder to spot the landing. Not even on my 180s actually. Bad habit I guess. I'll have to try that, thank you!
Apr 5 2010 6:45PM
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IHOP
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Wider stance= faster spin when you bring them back together in the air.

Helpful hint: try to, literally, bite your shoulder when you spin. This will teach you to look over your shoulder, which helps you complete your rotation but also makes sure that you do not develop a habit of looking under your shoulders, which tilts your rotation a bit.

Apr 5 2010 8:35PM
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ReetsAdeets
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With the arm things, throw them right as you leave the lip, not once you're completely in the air. So that way you start getting your momentum, and dont spin on the jump.
Apr 5 2010 10:38PM
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cbeebzthasteeze
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This. Wind up as you hit the bottom of the jump, then throw it at the lip to get the momentum around. Once you are in the air, look over your shoulder as said before, and when you can see the landing, spot it and ride away. Oh, and spinning on the jump can lead to bad things. Very bad things.
Apr 5 2010 10:51PM
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Charles.
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your momentum is wrong
Apr 5 2010 11:03PM
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bananas
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do a 180 then turn your head and bring you skiis around and land
Apr 5 2010 11:15PM
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Kogu
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Yeah, actually when we were riding I was with our park team and some of their friends as it was a cheap pass day and one tried to butter it all the way to 180 I guess and smashed up his nose when he hooked an edge right at the top of the lip and he pulled a sweet flatspin until he landed that way eheh... great way to start it off. Also to IHOP, I'm gonna start really making sure to spot my landings on my slower 180s. I thought about it and what I do is I know our jumps pretty well and I look at the ground/takeoff to feel my relation to the ground for the landing but now its hindering my rotation so ill bite a chunk out if it'll get me all the way around to 360. That was my goal at the start of this week and I feel like I was close :p.
Apr 6 2010 12:34AM
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fuck.your.tits
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commit to the spin...
Apr 6 2010 12:54AM
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BroBomb
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I think you've got all the answers you need here, so I'm going to take this thread down memory lane: I remember when it was a big deal that Tanner Hall started carving into spins rather than doing the old wide legs and swing your arms. It was the cool thing that "snowboarders are doing" at the time. I do still love a carved spin.
Apr 6 2010 11:05AM
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The-Pencil-Man
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Definitely this, this advice from this person got me my threes around
Apr 6 2010 11:42AM
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Kogu
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I'll let you guys know this Saturday how it goes lol Just thinking about it a little though what's the purpose of a carved spin? I'd heard you're supposed to do it for corks and inverted tricks but just curious, what purpose does it serve?
Apr 6 2010 11:48AM
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BroBomb
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Aesthetic choice mostly. I'm sure it helps with corks, but mostly it just looks smoother than spreading your legs out and windmilling your arms to make you spin. With a real carved out spin, you hardly need to move your upper body at all, just looks more effortless.
Plenty of dudes carve spins, but Leigh Powis comes to mind, he damn near lays out on the lip sometimes.
Apr 6 2010 5:35PM
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max...
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turn your head and your body would follow....
personally, a wider stance makes me spin slower, which ultimately looks steezier when doing low rotations
Apr 6 2010 5:41PM
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fuck.your.tits
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Yes leigh powis for sure. Everytime I think of wide stance/carving lip I think of leigh. Plus he reps Whistler/
Apr 6 2010 10:45PM
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Kogu
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Hmmm.. When I watch him carve up to it like that and rotate, it seems like he just about always inverts or tilts in the air? Is that a result of the carving jump or is that because he's just THAT PRO ALL THE TIME? :P
Apr 6 2010 10:53PM
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ReetsAdeets
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Sweet edit. But that totally ruined Kids for me. I hate it when people chop up already awesome songs.
Apr 6 2010 11:08PM
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blatt
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Here's a few tricks I learned this year from Tommy Elingson (as a newb too):

1. Like the thread says, yes. Start in about a shoulder-width stance, maybe a bit wider.
2. What I like to do is load back my torso. Say you spin from left to right, load your torso to the left
3. Pop, then rotate. If you do it the other way around, you WILL fall.
4. Turn your head around. Physics state that where your head goes, your body will follow.
5. Stomp the landing!

Hope this helps
Apr 7 2010 12:48AM
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BroBomb
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Haha, yeah I think that's just what happens when you use a pro edit as an example. You can def carve a pretty normal 3 or 5 though. It'll be slightly corked by the nature of it, but nowhere near what Leigh is doing in that edit.
Apr 7 2010 1:22AM
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fuck.your.tits
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I hated that edit... It doesn't appeal to me and I'm pretty sure it's because of kids...Just not feelin that song
Apr 7 2010 1:47AM
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Kogu
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Lol, that guy is like, the king of steeeeeze. Even his clothing adds to it, he just looks so comfortable and relaxed when he spins like that without anything but a quick edge at the end it's so sweet!
Yeah, as for me, I think I'll stay with my windmill+flail through the air until I at least land one then once I've got that down I'll THINK about making it look that perty xP.
Also why do all 3 of those vids use that song? Never heard it before, is it overused in vids? Like Let The Bodies Hit the Floor in gaming?
Apr 7 2010 8:53PM
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Kogu
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Thread jacking! Sorta.

What the hell would you call this kinda music? Friend just showed me it and I surprisingly liked the music a lot. Not into traditional rap (heard the original) but I like the remix and I just dunno what you'd call it o.o. Hip hop? Technoish-rap-trance? Idk what do you think?
Apr 7 2010 9:21PM
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special-J
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The people talkin about using your edges are right. When you have your stance widened, you are more on your edges, so you can wind up and push off more. If you wind up with your skis nearly parelell, you won't have any grip to twist your body and not your skis and your skis will more too. it's the same thing when you pop. Ure your edges and your legs to puss off into the rotation. Hope this helps
Apr 7 2010 11:15PM
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connor.m99
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I've seen people buttering over the lip, rather than just spinning in the air.
Apr 10 2011 1:47PM
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bschott19
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your probably concentrating on bringing your skis around. use your head and keep looking over your shoulder and your skis will follow
Apr 10 2011 1:58PM
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mmckechnie
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I find that a wider stance gives me more leverage letting me set my spin harder/bigger.
Apr 10 2011 2:58PM
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tall_t
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carve off the lip with a wide stance, bring you legs together, chin to shoulder, spot your landing, and afterbang!

Apr 10 2011 5:12PM
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SKIU4EA
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lol... don't think you can really thread jack your own thread ha.  well i guess u can.

btw, how did it go? stomp your 3?

Apr 10 2011 5:54PM
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Stickity
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there's no such thing as centrifugal force so you're doing it wrong

but srsly a wide stance gets you more balanced and with practice let's you spin faster and with more control
Apr 10 2011 8:16PM
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mctwist311
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nuff said
Apr 10 2011 8:28PM
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crab_pretzel
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the point of the wide stance is to be able to push sideways more than with a thinner stance. if you try really setting some spin with you legs when your feet are together it feels, well, you cant really
Apr 10 2011 8:57PM
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TOUCHE
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problem solved in 1st post
Apr 10 2011 11:21PM
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Spillway_East
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that is by the white panda and they are a mashup artist
Apr 10 2011 11:39PM
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will_powder
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why does every newish park skier idolize this stinkin video????
Apr 11 2011 12:12AM
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