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slimbruddah
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http://collateralmurder.com/


Those bitches just love killing. Shit is disgusting. Brainwashed bastards.
Apr 5 2010 2:15PM
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srwinnsuco
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Apr 6 2010 9:00AM
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srwinnsuco
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I write many commentary pieces critical of warmaking, and sometimes I conclude by stating that I'm a vet who served in the U.S. Special Forces. Invariably, those who respond thank me for my service before trashing my opinion. It's clear that no one cares what that service comprised. It matters not whether I saved a buddy's life or rolled a hand grenade into a hut, killing women and children -- always the knee-jerk "thank you."

Within most of our living history, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan are the nations we've invaded and killed their citizens, and we receive "thanks" for that service. MSNBC's Chris Matthews calls Sen. John McCain a war hero, even though the service he provided was dropping bombs on men, women and children from 20,000 feet. Does Matthews think McCain was defending America from a tiny war-ravaged nation with no planes, ships or missiles capable of threatening us? Does he care?

The point is that we have been trained not to question what those who serve in war were actually doing. Matthews and his ilk don't ask. But the 12,000 American vets who attempt suicide each year because they cannot live with the behavior their service required of them do ask.

The robotic "thank you" from the American citizenry matters naught to the 6,000 vets who actually commit suicide every year because they know their service betrayed their sense of decency, and they experience this final, fatal pain alone -- another betrayal. Do we really not know Vietnam was not about Communist dominoes, nor Iraq about weapons of mass destruction? What insidious rationales represent the true motives for these wars?

If we spoke these reasons loudly and clearly, would we still thank our vets for their service to those unstated goals?

The best worst reason given for these military assaults on the citizens of other nations is that it will make us safer. Dr. Ira Katz, the Veterans Administration's head of mental health, acknowledges that 12,000 vets attempt suicide each year and half of those succeed. Many more return home and live destructive lives impacted by drugs, violence and divorce, imparting pain to families and communities and making clear that the violence incurred "over there" cycles home.

If we sacrifice our children in this uniquely depraved way to make ourselves feel safe, what then is the value of safety? It's difficult to draw a clear, straight line between a simple "thank you for your service" and a young vet driving his motorcycle into a tree.

The light from 300 million candles will illuminate those connective threads. Does anyone hear me?

DON SCOTTEN
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Apr 6 2010 9:52AM
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PaleCelery
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what branch of special forces were you in and what was your MOS?
Apr 6 2010 12:29PM
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J.DUKE
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slimbruddah

Feel free to stay OUT of the United States of America
Apr 6 2010 2:37PM
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Mr.Panda
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Isn't that a felony?
Apr 6 2010 2:39PM
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no_steeze
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now he has to kill us since he told us
Apr 6 2010 3:11PM
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PaleCelery
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not only that but its a terrible thing to do.
Apr 6 2010 3:21PM
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NW_Rider
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I'm pretty sure that is just something he found.
Apr 6 2010 3:45PM
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tommycat
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Fuck you grouping all grouping all of our troops into such a broad generalization. Very few are are heroes.
Apr 6 2010 3:59PM
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DaveM
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That video was BARELY tollerable until the tank ran over his body and the two guys in the helicopter laughed... that shit makes me sick.
Apr 6 2010 4:34PM
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Msully
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^ that was the best part
Apr 6 2010 5:49PM
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Willard
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i wouldnt be one bit suprised
Apr 6 2010 5:55PM
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Benedetto.
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Probably the best idea for me to stay out of this thread.
Apr 6 2010 6:11PM
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Astomp
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im a medic in the army. i so far love my job and wouldnt give it up for anything in the entire world. i leave for afghanistan in 3 months. im not excited about that but im not gonna turn my back from it.

i would rather obliterate 3 generations of family then lose any one of my scouts. I didnt join to have any one of my guys die. so if that mistake happens and i shoot an innocent person because i thought they had an rpg, ak-47, or a cellphone and they are getting ready to blow us up...then shoot...ill make the mistake and maybe never know. at least all my boys are still coming home.

sure two journalists died. a few civilians. thats a bummer. why dont people freak out when extremists suicide bomb themselves and kill 50+ people. two kids got injured in that video, dang. but extremists blow themselves up at elementary schools and 60 kids under the age of 15 die and its just another day?

this shit happens because of the way the iraq fought. the way the terrorists fight still. There is no knowing of whose intentions are what. so people are gonna be trigger happy.

so the reason i joined in a short lil bit is to bring home the men i fight beside and to help out people who are terrorized by these extremists.
Apr 6 2010 6:23PM
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Aaaron.
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you guys got trolled...

Apr 6 2010 6:27PM
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skiierman
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damn, good luck over there. the main reason that people jump on the U.S. is because of a few reasons including; preexisting hate for America, we are held in higher regard than terrorists and that they haters have NO idea about combat and what its like being in combat. basically just a lot of ignorance-fueled hatred. but yeah again, come home safe along with all your broddas.
Apr 6 2010 6:28PM
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Mr.Panda
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So you won't do the honorable thing and desert like that douchebag was saying you should earlier? HOW DARE YOU!!!






All joking aside good luck when you ship out.
Apr 6 2010 6:29PM
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theabortionator
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Nice warped view. good for you. Can you use extremists or terror a few more time in you're next post?

Zomg, the radical muslim etremoterrorist rapist dog killers
Apr 6 2010 6:31PM
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skiierman
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he's going to afghanistan, you know not iraq. they're different you idiot. and he has more balls and honor than you can ever dream of. and last off, he's a MEDIC which makes me sick that you cannot seem to find that in the least bit respectful. grow the fuck up.
Apr 6 2010 6:42PM
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Willard
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"i would rather obliterate 3 generations of family then lose any one of my scouts"

haha did you not catch when he said that
Apr 6 2010 6:47PM
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Twinjibber77
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Oddly enough in all the Army training i have been through this far i have never been instructed to kill innocent civilians. So claiming it's a large group is pretty stupid when it's individual people. Not to mention way more fucked up shit goes on there that you can't even begin to understand. The enemy doesn't care about civilians so i think accidents can happen and there is no reason to shit on our military for it.
I will post up a video later.
Apr 6 2010 6:49PM
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Squid.
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This post should have ended the thread on page one.

Apr 6 2010 6:52PM
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skiierman
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if you cannot see that he really doesn't mean that then... well... fuck i feel sorry for you. he's just conveying the importance of his fellow soldiers to people that don't understand.
Apr 6 2010 6:53PM
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BC.
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As a ROTC Officer in the US Army I learned a while back to not argue over the legality or morality of the military and specifically the war in Iraq. However its depressing to be called a bloodthirsty immoral etc by people who have never met me. The vast majority of the people I have met within the US Armed Services are just honorable people who are serving their country, not trying to rack up a kill score or something of that nature.

That is all.
Apr 6 2010 6:55PM
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theabortionator
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Hahaha. When did I mention anything about iraq or afganistan? I know they are different, you're started this reply off poorly.
"he has more balls and honor than you can ever dream of. " Not really. I don't need to go into a war I don't believe in to prove to you that I have balls and honor.

"he's a MEDIC which makes me sick that you cannot seem to find that in the least bit respectful" Read his post again. I mentioned his over usage of extremism and warped view points. He hasn't even been over there yet.

"grow the fuck up." chill the fuck out
Apr 6 2010 7:08PM
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gnarles.
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well america fucken up

Apr 6 2010 7:09PM
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squibble
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so much stupid in this thread. at least its sorta back on topic.

this video was in all the newspapers today
Apr 6 2010 7:11PM
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theabortionator
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Sure because that's what they train you for. Seriously? It's more of what happens during war. As far as I know people aren't telling you you have to go out and shoot as many civilians as you can. As far as killing civilians I think the abomb still sits up top.

"The enemy doesn't care about civilians so i think accidents" who is the enemy these days? "terrorists" is a pretty broad term.
Apr 6 2010 7:12PM
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OnePlank
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does canada have an army?
Apr 6 2010 7:14PM
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gnarles.
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shut the fuck up you piece of shit
Apr 6 2010 7:17PM
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squibble
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Apr 6 2010 7:18PM
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OnePlank
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but on another thought. Why is this getting so heated? war has been around as long as humans have existed. Innocent people are killed, and there are some fucked up people. Shit happens, boo fuckity hoo. NS isn't the place to bitch about this stuff. Write a letter to someone important
Apr 6 2010 7:20PM
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NW_Rider
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Fire bombings... Tokyo (Which was made of Wood), Osaka, Yokohama, Toyama and others.

Fog of War is an excellent documentary of Robert McNamera. Here is a clip about the fire bombings, something that is rarely mentioned in WWII discussions (High School and Many lower division college classes).


Apr 6 2010 7:25PM
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skiierman
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its because people are becoming bigger pussies. seems to correlate to why they'd rather post on an online forum than take the effort to do anything worthwhile if it bothered them that much.
Apr 6 2010 7:25PM
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theabortionator
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Who you gonna call? Well who are you going to write or email. The chance of it accomplishing anything are fucking slim. You're right about many people not even trying though. Maybe if we weren't retarded, and we elected some better people we could get our country in decent shape again.
Apr 6 2010 7:29PM
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Mr.Panda
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This will convince a fucker to listen to me.
Apr 6 2010 7:32PM
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theabortionator
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Apr 6 2010 7:39PM
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OnePlank
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None of these even come close to the rape of Nanking. Or all the people Stalin killed. Stalin was responsible for 60 million civilian deaths.
Apr 6 2010 8:05PM
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no_steeze
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i've seen bigger
Apr 6 2010 8:06PM
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OnePlank
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Honest question. Relax
Apr 6 2010 8:07PM
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Mr.Panda
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Apr 6 2010 8:10PM
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Astomp
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extremists extremists extremists. what the fuck else are you gonna call them? terrorists. guy in pajamas. hajis. afghannies. iraqis. a bunch of guys conglomerated together from all different fucking areas of everywhere...even fucking US citizens fight with them. so lets think of a name that reflects there ideas and actions in a much smoother, dapper, and chipper fashion. religious fanatics? no seems crazy. taliban... pretty much ruined by the army brainwashing, cant use that one. suicide vest blowing...no thats pretty mundane. okay i got it... students thats what taliban means right. so these students are being crazy. a bit unruly if youd be so inclined to say. FUCK IT. EXTREMISTS IS FUCKING WHAT THEY ARE. theyve interpreted the kuran the strictest out of any religion and are using that as an excuse to kill civilians. their own soldiers. US soldiers. kids, parents, grandparents. if that doesnt bug you in the least maybe you have the warped views. yeah i said 3 generations. i wouldnt just blat blat blast em. no skiiermans right. but im more worried about my guys then i am about civilians. i myself on this low of a level being a ground pounder wont make a difference that youll see. but as a whole entity... wait and see. i know we will.

how many afghans have you even met? ive met quite a few already. every single one of them has admitted that the problem lies within the "students" trying to run everything.
Apr 6 2010 8:13PM
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Astomp
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and in reality i dont want to kill anyone. i hope i go through my deployment and not have to see one round fired. one US soldier go down in a fire fight. One little kid that was tortured by the taliban or shot by the United States Army. but if i have to, i going to do my job.
Apr 6 2010 8:16PM
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Mr.Panda
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The smiley face is on the inside of the cover though not the outside.
Apr 6 2010 8:22PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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...the Qu'ran isn't really a book that can be interpreted. You either believe it, or you don't, 9th surah says kill infidels..so you kill infidels.
Apr 6 2010 8:22PM
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NW_Rider
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U.S. caused civilian deaths
Apr 6 2010 8:28PM
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theabortionator
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you're so angry. Smoke a bowl, calm down, it's going to be alright. I was just commenting on the fact that you said it like 6 times. The war on terror still is bullshit though.
Apr 6 2010 8:39PM
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squibble
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i like how he said terrorists, extremists, hajis, and iraqis. as if iraq people are terrorists
Apr 6 2010 8:41PM
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Astomp
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thats what i was trying to point at a little. you thought it cliche...it was spose to be. trust me i understand that its not the country were fighting. or the people from the country. its an organization.
Apr 6 2010 8:45PM
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